Post by: CHILLX on February 17, 2011, 04:30:43 AM
AUGUST 5TH - 7TH, 2011
AMF BOULEVARD LANES - GOLDSBORO, NC
$4,000.00 FIRST PLACE GUARANTEED
BASED ON 150 ENTRIES
ENTRY FEE $ 120.00
ROUND 1 - BOWL 6 GAMES OF QUALIFYING TOTAL PIN FALL DOES NOT CARRY OVER TO THE NEXT ROUND - CUT TO TOP 20
TOP 2 QUALIFIERS FROM EACH ROUND WILL AUTOMATICALLY ADVANCE TO TOP 20
TOP 20 ARE GUARANTEED TO CASH !!!!
ROUND 2 - 3 GAMES , CUT TO TOP 10 TOTAL PINS CARRY OVER
ROUND 3 - 1 GAME, CUT TO TOP 5 FOR STEP LADDER FINALS
UNLIMITED BRACKETS AND SIDE POTS
PRIZE FUND PAYOUT AS FOLLOWS:
2ND PLACE - $1800.00
3RD PLACE - $ 900.00
4TH PLACE - $ 800.00
5TH PLACE - $700.00
6TH - 10TH - $500.00
11TH - 15TH - $400.00
16TH - 20TH - $ 300.00
CONTACT ME DIRECT WITH ANY QUESTIONS. FLYERS WILL BE AVAILABLE TOWARDS THE END OF APRIL.
THANKS, CLARKE HILL
OWNER/OPERATOR KING PIN PRO SHOP
Clarke Hill
King Pin Pro Shop
kingpin_8535@yahoo.com
2011 King Pin Scratch Open
January 22 & 23, 2011
First Place Guaranteed $5,000.00
Edited by CHILLX on 2/28/2011 at 1:35 PM
Post by: pocket710special on February 17, 2011, 02:19:28 PM
Here are a few suggestions. This is your tournament to run, and please don't take these personally, just giving you my thought process (I bowl a good amount of tournaments).
1) Why the large jump from $4000/1st to $1800/2nd? I like that you have kept 20th place over double your entry fee, but quite honestly you should spread that first place money out more. Unfortunately, everyone is so obsessed with "guaranteed" prize funds that many won't even look past the first place payout, then be upset when they get 2nd and are only getting $1800. The rule of thumb is 2nd should be AT LEAST half of 1st, and many would prefer closer to 2/3rds. The bowler who wins is a happy camper whether they win $2500, $3000, or $4000. But the lower places are going to think, "Wow, I bowled that well and was within ___ sticks of winning the tournament, but I only got some small percentage of what 1st place got". This goes into my next suggestion.
2) Pay at least 1:6, if not 1:5. Paying only 1:7.5 is in my (and other knowledgeable bowlers) opinion a cheap way to jack up the higher place payouts ($4000 for first in this situation). A majority of people are going to drive X amount of hours looking to cash, and if they get all the right breaks, win. But, only 1 person can win, so why not make 10 more people happy and pay top 30? Ideally, I would like to see a $2500 guaranteed 1st place payout, then $1400/2nd, etc. Use the extra money saved to at least give the last casher their entry fee back. The last casher will probably now end up +$200 on the weekend instead of +$80 (if they got in pots, brackets, etc), which makes a big difference (at least in our minds). There is a very large tournament run in Baltimore in August that guarantees $2500 for first and both squads fill up each year. The TD is able to pay 1:5 and give the last casher double their entry back. I think this is why tons of people attend, and many are bowling just to cash, because they know they will need a CAREER weekend to win. This is how you attract those bowlers who are on the fence; and if they see that huge 1st place payout and a low cash ratio, they will quickly decide not to attend.
3) More qualifying games! I say 8 games is a perfect number, which you are close with 6 games. But, I feel that with 6 games, one bad game can cost you whereas with 8 games, you can recover from a bad one. I am unsure how many squads you plan to run, but once again I will bring up the Baltimore tournament in for an example (as I believe this is one of the best run tournaments on the East Coast). The TD runs two squads, both on Saturday, at 9:00am and 4:30pm. 9 games of round robin match play is on Sunday for those who make cut. He even has a 6 game sweeper Friday night, which helps to make the trip worth it for people who will be traveling from afar. Many bowlers choose to bowl both squads, as there is tons of side action to go around.
4) The oil pattern needs to be more of a middle range pattern. I like that you make the lane conditions very demanding, but 48 feet flat really freaks people out (unfortunately). I would like to see something in the 38-41 foot range that can cater to many styles of play. Many people will hear 48 feet and say, "Well I can't rev the ball up enough to score on that!" which we know is completely untrue, as you can rev it up all you want and the ball will not think about moving. Basically, you might be scaring people away with that long of a pattern, and think a medium length 2:1 ratio pattern would cater to more bowlers.
Again, these are only suggestions, but if you do decide to take these into account, I (along with several other of my friends) may entertain the idea of driving down there. Hope this helps.
Post by: budda on February 18, 2011, 04:42:05 AM
I already have a truck full of people ready to make the trip down there again. let me know when you get the flyer out so I can show it around and get a few more people interested.
Respect the skill....not which hand it's thrown with.
Post by: CHILLX on February 18, 2011, 08:57:21 AM
OK, there's a problem with several things that you have suggested. 8 game block would only increase the lineage and make the prize fund smaller unless I increase the entry fee which I can do. For $120.00 though I do not think you can get a better payout. Eric Ramos runs a tournament down in Florida and the entry is $250.00 and pays out really good. When I first got interested in doing this tournament 6 years ago I asked around and people liked the $100 to $120 range. For the money being paid I think its great the way it is.
Thanks for you input but no changes need to be made in my opinion. And I learned a long time ago you cannot let the bowlers run the tournament and format, that is why I set the prize fund this time and that will be what it is.
Clarke Hill
King Pin Pro Shop
kingpin_8535@yahoo.com
2011 King Pin Scratch Open
January 22 & 23, 2011
First Place Guaranteed $5,000.00
Post by: CHILLX on March 22, 2011, 11:02:10 AM
Clarke Hill
King Pin Pro Shop
kingpin_8535@yahoo.com
Summer Scratch Classic
August 5 - 7th, 2011
$4,000.00 guaranteed first place. @!!@
Post by: CHILLX on April 07, 2011, 12:22:41 PM
BUMP 
Clarke Hill
King Pin Pro Shop
kingpin_8535@yahoo.com
Summer Scratch Classic
August 5 - 7th, 2011
$4,000.00 guaranteed first place. @!!@
Post by: CHILLX on April 28, 2011, 09:06:58 AM
Clarke Hill
King Pin Pro Shop
kingpin_8535@yahoo.com
Summer Scratch Classic
August 5 - 7th, 2011
$4,000.00 guaranteed first place. @!!@
Post by: Trackboy2009 on April 28, 2011, 10:07:21 AM
I have a question about Round 1, Is there only 1 squad of 6 games to qualifier for the top 20? Or are there more squads in Round 1?
That is a big drop off from 1 to 2 but the prize fund looks good.... Like you said IT is what it is! Love It! A tournament director with a backbone!
Dan Schaden Jr
Track Regional Staff Member
Vise Staff Member
Post by: CHILLX on April 28, 2011, 11:02:45 AM
Yes backbone is good !!!
But anyway the 6 games cut to top 20 after all 5 squads.
Clarke Hill
King Pin Pro Shop
kingpin_8535@yahoo.com
Summer Scratch Classic
August 5 - 7th, 2011
$4,000.00 guaranteed first place. @!!@
Post by: Trackboy2009 on April 28, 2011, 11:10:12 AM
Would like to know the times of the squads? Very interested in the tournament.
Dan Schaden Jr
Track Regional Staff Member
Vise Staff Member
Post by: CHILLX on April 28, 2011, 11:17:01 AM
FRIDAY 4PM & 8PM (TOP 2 FROM EACH SQUAD ADVANCE
SATURDAY 4PM & 8PM (TOP 2 FROM EACH SQUAD ADVANCE
SUNDAY @ 10AM (TOP 12 ADVANCE)
FINALS BEGIN @ 1PM SUNDAY
Clarke Hill
King Pin Pro Shop
kingpin_8535@yahoo.com
Summer Scratch Classic
August 5 - 7th, 2011
$4,000.00 guaranteed first place. @!!@
Post by: CHILLX on May 09, 2011, 11:42:00 AM
BUMP @@@
Clarke Hill
King Pin Pro Shop
kingpin_8535@yahoo.com
Summer Scratch Classic
August 5 - 7th, 2011
$4,000.00 guaranteed first place. @!!@
Post by: CHILLX on May 24, 2011, 06:23:59 AM
Clarke Hill
King Pin Pro Shop
kingpin_8535@yahoo.com
Summer Scratch Classic
August 5 - 7th, 2011
$4,000.00 guaranteed first place. @!!@
Post by: budda on May 24, 2011, 12:17:23 PM
Still can't wait for this one. Have two car loads full ready to make the trip from MD. Might get a few more before its time to go.
Respect the skill....not which hand it's thrown with.
Post by: CHILLX on May 24, 2011, 12:51:55 PM
Clarke Hill
King Pin Pro Shop
kingpin_8535@yahoo.com
Summer Scratch Classic
August 5 - 7th, 2011
$4,000.00 guaranteed first place. @!!@
Post by: CHILLX on May 31, 2011, 11:30:45 AM
9 weeks away, reserve your squad now. Very important to remember if you are in the top 2 of the first 4 qualifying squads you will automatically advance into the round of 20.Clarke Hill
King Pin Pro Shop
kingpin_8535@yahoo.com
Summer Scratch Classic
August 5 - 7th, 2011
$4,000.00 guaranteed first place. @!!@
Post by: CHILLX on June 08, 2011, 05:06:58 AM
Oil pattern has been determined,
Left lane will be a short oil shot and the right lane long
Have not decided on distance yet, but it will be a fire and ice type shot...
Clarke Hill
King Pin Pro Shop
kingpin_8535@yahoo.com
Summer Scratch Classic
August 5 - 7th, 2011
$4,000.00 guaranteed first place. @!!@
Post by: CHILLX on June 17, 2011, 12:13:01 PM
Up to 35 entries already, keep them coming, looks like some squads are going to fill up !!!!
Just announced the Bud Light girls will be there passing out freebies.
Clarke Hill
King Pin Pro Shop
kingpin_8535@yahoo.com
Summer Scratch Classic
August 5 - 7th, 2011
$4,000.00 guaranteed first place. @!!@
Post by: CHILLX on June 24, 2011, 07:25:44 AM
Clarke Hill
King Pin Pro Shop
kingpin_8535@yahoo.com
Summer Scratch Classic
August 5 - 7th, 2011
$4,000.00 guaranteed first place. @!!@
Post by: CHILLX on June 27, 2011, 04:57:26 AM
Clarke Hill
King Pin Pro Shop
kingpin_8535@yahoo.com
Summer Scratch Classic
August 5 - 7th, 2011
$4,000.00 guaranteed first place. @!!@
Post by: budda on June 28, 2011, 04:23:01 AM
So how would that compare to the last one you had?
Respect the skill....not which hand it's thrown with.
Post by: CHILLX on June 28, 2011, 04:52:38 AM
Clarke Hill
King Pin Pro Shop
kingpin_8535@yahoo.com
Summer Scratch Classic
August 5 - 7th, 2011
$4,000.00 guaranteed first place. @!!@
Post by: CHILLX on July 01, 2011, 01:01:39 PM
Just got an entry in for Del Warren. Excited he is coming to bowl....
Clarke Hill
King Pin Pro Shop
kingpin_8535@yahoo.com
Summer Scratch Classic
August 5 - 7th, 2011
$4,000.00 guaranteed first place. @!!@
Post by: CHILLX on July 01, 2011, 01:01:39 PM
Just got an entry in for Del Warren. Excited he is coming to bowl....
Clarke Hill
King Pin Pro Shop
kingpin_8535@yahoo.com
Summer Scratch Classic
August 5 - 7th, 2011
$4,000.00 guaranteed first place. @!!@
Post by: CHILLX on July 05, 2011, 12:41:47 PM
Clarke Hill
King Pin Pro Shop
kingpin_8535@yahoo.com
Summer Scratch Classic
August 5 - 7th, 2011
$4,000.00 guaranteed first place. @!!@
Post by: budda on July 06, 2011, 05:22:37 AM
Two questions,
Is the flyer available online anywhere? I would like to print it off and show it to some more folks.
Also, how are people reserving there spots? I dont see where to send money or anything.
Budda
Respect the skill....not which hand it's thrown with.
Post by: CHILLX on July 06, 2011, 05:31:09 AM
you can go to several sites to download, probably the easiest would be www.bowling300.com and go to
North Carolina tournaments and click on King Pin Summer.....
See ya in 4 more weeks....
Clarke Hill
King Pin Pro Shop
kingpin_8535@yahoo.com
Summer Scratch Classic
August 5 - 7th, 2011
$4,000.00 guaranteed first place. @!!@
Post by: CHILLX on July 20, 2011, 04:56:56 AM
Clarke Hill
King Pin Pro Shop
kingpin_8535@yahoo.com
Summer Scratch Classic
August 5 - 7th, 2011
$4,000.00 guaranteed first place. @!!@
Post by: CHILLX on July 26, 2011, 11:24:30 AM
Clarke Hill
King Pin Pro Shop
kingpin_8535@yahoo.com
Summer Scratch Classic
August 5 - 7th, 2011
$4,000.00 guaranteed first place. @!!@
Post by: budda on August 09, 2011, 04:47:57 AM
So who won? I could not stay to watch the top 5 for the step ladder. Long drive home.
The pattern was great, love it when you have to grind it out.
Wish we could have gotten more entries....oh well.
See you in the winter for the next one.
Respect the skill....not which hand it's thrown with.
Post by: CHILLX on August 09, 2011, 05:11:21 AM
Brian Dennis Won
Clarke Hill
King Pin Pro Shop
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Turbo Grips Regional Staff Member