Post by: ShoreLefty on June 10, 2007, 11:51:24 PM
Turnout? Who won? anything in general?
Post by: Mr Straight Ball on June 12, 2007, 01:36:59 PM
Hopefully you'll join us next year!
TEAMS: 39
TOP 8 CUT: -90
2 teams were plus after 10 games of qualifying
STANDINGS / PRIZE FUND
$3100 Q.Jefferson / K.Lowe
$1880 T.Bell / G.Turner
$1000 E.Gore / L.Brosius
$ 900 C.Schrimer / B.Bever
$ 800 S.Williams / W.Barlow
$ 750 J.Esterson / B.Cavey
$ 650 J.Morgan / B.Poole
$ 600 J.Petrick / R.Alexander
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Post by: Mr Straight Ball on June 13, 2007, 01:26:00 PM
Here is a break down of the side action. Side action paid out 100% of what was collected...
TEAM SIDE ACTION
$160/70 per game ($100 entry covered 10 games)
MEN'S SIDE ACTION
Game Pot $110/50 per game ($50 entry covered 10 games)
Set Pot $110/50 per block (Added by tournament)
Survival games 2-4 $115/90/55/30 ($10 entry)
Survival games 3-5 $125/95/60/30 ($10 entry)
Survival games 7-9 $120/90/60/30 ($10 entry)
Survival games 8-10 $125/95/60/30 ($10 entry)
WOMEN'S SIDE ACTION
Game Pot $100/55 per game ($50 entry covered 10 games)
Set Pot $100/55 per block (Added by tournament)
Survival games 2-4 $100/75/50/25 ($10 entry)
Survival games 3-5 $100/75/50/25 ($10 entry)
Survival games 7-9 $70/55/35/20 ($10 entry)
Survival games 8-10 $125/95/60/30 ($10 entry)
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Post by: walt8398 on June 13, 2007, 01:30:54 PM
As far the shot goes, it was tough and really bruised a lot of egos (YOURS TRULY INCLUDED). What it did do was make me realize how poor my shot making is at this time.
We need to support people who take the time to put on competitive SCRATCH events that pay well.
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Post by: LAStrikesALot on June 13, 2007, 01:33:53 PM
I am interested to hear what the "pot situation" was. I also hope you will encourage the 10 from your area to express their comments with us (via email/phone/website and/or by survey which we will be mailing out).
We would certainly hate to lose any entries without being given an opportunity to address the issues.
All,
As was stated previously, this was our first mixed doubles event, and we would very much like to hear all constructive comments, be them praise or criticism. This event was molded with the wishes of the bowlers in mind and we definitely want to know what people liked and didn't like so that we can address the issues for next year.
As for the shot, I will say myself it was not necessarily what I envisioned, but I do feel it was fair (fair being all styles, either hand) and, of course, everyone had to play on it. We had lefties, righties, straighties, crankers, tweeners, plastic balls, dull balls, aggresive and mild balls in the finals; i'm not sure if it gets any fairer then that.
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Post by: BackToBasics on June 13, 2007, 01:46:08 PM
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I hear many people were very disappointed with the shot and the pot sitution. the ten that cam from this area said they will not go back next year.
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Although I did not bowl (wish I did now), how can you not be satisfied with the shot? I saw the raw numbers from all the bowlers and it played as a tough but fair shot on both sides.
I've heard nothing but praise from everyone who attended the tournament. One of our local best bowlers stated "It's the smoothest tournament he's been in".
Why go back and complain and not let the tournament directors address the issue?
I'll be there next year. I'll just have to make them readjust the date if it conflicts with my golf club championship again
Post by: Kyndall on June 13, 2007, 03:18:19 PM
This tournament ran very smoothly in my opinion. It was exceptional if you take in to account it was a first year tournament. We even started both squads on time Saturday and that never happens anymore. I would like to thank Jeff and Latise for taking the time to give us something to bowl in.
If you struggled, don't blame the shot, it was most likely operator error. I know it was in my case.
Post by: Next Level PS on June 15, 2007, 08:25:06 AM
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Post by: Mr Straight Ball on June 15, 2007, 10:40:50 AM
Glad to know the pot situation has been cleared up.
The lane condition, was not "impossible" but I’ll say it was “damn tough." There were people who spent their first 5 games disgruntled, yet they came back after the break and showed they could hit it as they made a 100-200 pin improvement to post a 200 average the for the back 5. Thankfully, the right/left issue was a mute point as the lefties out averaged the righties by 0.03 pins.
We appreciate people like L.Anderson & T.Taylor who came to us and expressed their opinions before hitting the road. Hopefully, those that came will voice their opinion either by phone, email or the survey card so that we can judge the strengths and weaknesses of the tournament and implement the correct changes to meet the demands of the bowlers. As long as the demand is not crazy.
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Post by: LAStrikesALot on June 15, 2007, 01:36:11 PM
Jeff and I appreciate you sharing the concerns of those bowlers.
Sometimes as bowlers we have to remember that tournament directors only have limited control over what happens after the foul line. TDs can ask for a lane condition (or ask for not a certain condition), but in the end, they still get what the center puts down regardless. I've heard this out of the mouth of other directors as well--"I can ask for a specific pattern, or a general pattern and they may even tell me they will put it down, and then I still end up with the house shot."
Sometimes you get an attempt by the center to place a specific pattern, or just a "tough" pattern, or "not-house shot", and what the center thinks is "tough" or "easy" is not what the directors envisioned, or may not actually play as "tough" or "easy" for numerous reasons (ball choice, number of people on the pair, number of games, how folks play them, etc).
I'll just say that we ended up with a pretty tough pattern. Hopefully this year's participants can identify with getting something a little different then what you hope for, and realize that applies to both bowlers and those running the tournament. Hopefully they will keep that in mind when deciding whether or not to return.
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Post by: Kyndall on June 15, 2007, 03:05:39 PM
The Rhodman shot has gotten way to easy over the past 3 years. Bowlers have been reaching +700 and +600 for 16 games and that is more than just a playable shot. It takes over a 220 just to make the top 40. I don't know why someone would rather bowl on that, then shot 210's and 220's and move up the standings. I will be back at this tournament next year and if the shot is just as demanding, then that is fine with me. There were a lot of quality bowlers who bowled in this event and from the ones I spoke to, they had no complaints on the scoring.
Once again, thank you Jeff and Latise for running a quality event.
P.S. The future Mrs. told me she is taking you guys to Ruth Chris's for helping her. I am hoping I can tag along for a free meal : )
Post by: LAStrikesALot on June 15, 2007, 03:29:54 PM
Its a long-standing question I have. People say the best bowlers will rise to the top. If thats the case, then why does the shot even matter? I guess its the sense of accomplishment--losing shooting 230s versus losing shooting 180s. To me a loss is a loss is a loss.
It's ok to go the rhodman and put my $125 plus pot and bracket money into the pocket of someone else because I got to get strikes (just not enough) in the process? Nah, not ok for me as a bowler.
As a bowler however, I'd rather make shots. If I'm going to shoot 230s and hand my money over to someone, I could have just as easily did a paypal transfer and stayed home and watched "Law & Order: SVU." As a bowler, I'm going to go and bowl on whatever because I'm a competitor. I also know that some days my shot is going to be on the lanes and I'm going to take advantage of it and eat well. Others days it will be a grind--tough condition or not.
However, as a tournament director, its my goal (and my duty) to send the event in the direction of what the majority want--which is why I'm encouraging any and all feedback.
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Post by: bowlingmytmouse on June 15, 2007, 07:13:43 PM
In no other sport do you see this type of comlaining over conditions. You don't see golfers asking to hit off the womans tee. Or rec basketball asking to lower the rim because one team is shorter. We have got to stop this...if you want to be a bowler than BOWL. I don't care if its a 50 foot shot. For you to ask for an easier condition is basically asking for help to score and if you need that then maybe the tourney scene isn't for you.
I for one like tougher shots. Why? Because it is then that the "bowlers" emerge. If you find that you aren't emerging then maybe you need to re evaluate your game, not the shot.
I say all this not get every fired up, just stating my opinion. And I am not directly pointing this at any user, that is why you see no quotes. But we gotta wake up and realize that a challenge isn't a bad thing. Latise, keep the shot tough...people will come just because.
BMM
P.S.-Thurs nights at CAP need to be banished...crappiest payouts in the region...I bet Crofton's payout would be higher than that...hmmmm.
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Post by: Super_Dave on June 16, 2007, 12:06:50 PM
Having said that I am also a realist. The fact of the matter is that shot is going to discourage a lot of people from returning. Bowlers are a product of their environment. We bowl in a "walled" house shot world. I agree with Next Level PS. In fact I believe I said that very thing in his shop Wednesday.
You have the team USA bowlers, former pro bowlers, current pro bowlers, amateur ball staffers that can flat out bowl on anything. Lets say they make up 15% of the field. Then you got us weekend worriers that just love to bowl and we will show up for anything. That makes up another 25%. Now you got the other 60% that really don't have a chance. They bowl 3 leagues a week with 3 balls in their bag and avg. 220. If they don't strike then they are not happy. No formal training. No experience on tougher shots. They are the ones you need to have a successful tournament. It's not about bowling. It's about business. The Rhodman learned that lesson a few years ago when bowlers boycotted the tough shot they put out. Is it right....NO. But it is what it is. The fact of the matter is I've never heard a group of bowlers say "I'm never coming back to this tournament because the shot was to easy". David Lee
Post by: Mr Straight Ball on June 16, 2007, 02:29:08 PM
Thank you for letting us know how you fell from how the event was run to the challenge the lanes offered. Your viewpoint will be noted as we are compiling everyone's thoughts so that we can make the changes the bowlers want.
See you at Venus & Mars Mixed Doubles I am sure.
-Bake
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Post by: LAStrikesALot on June 16, 2007, 02:32:25 PM
It is a struggle find the balance to please everyone, but we are dedicated to the bowlers so we will keep evaluating and making changes as such.
To me, the real question is not so much about the shot, but the event in general. Will those that were dissatisfied step back, evaluate, and give us the chance to address their concerns? Its not like we set out to make them so tough; we aren't over here laughing saying, "Haha we made them so hard just so we could watch folks flop!"
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Post by: Jesse James on July 03, 2007, 09:00:32 AM
Must have been in Reno while this was happening! Jeff and Latise, please PM me with info on next year's tourny! I don't care about the whiners, I love a tough shot, and will be ready willing and able to enter any future events!
Congrats to Quintina and Kenni, and Trina and Greg, for your outstanding showings. Obviously this is an event worth placing on my calendar. From all the positive comments I see, this was a top flite event, no doubt!
JJ
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