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lil League Coach

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PA State tournament
« on: April 09, 2007, 07:38:45 AM »
Anyone here bowl the Pennsylvania State Tourny yet? or hear any1 talkin about lane conditions??

 

Necromancer

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Re: PA State tournament
« Reply #16 on: April 29, 2007, 08:05:52 PM »
Tournament Results!

Saturday at Summit Lanes

Total domination with the one and only Black Widow.  The place itself was really loud.  The ceiling is like 40 feet in the air.  It is clean though and the lanes are very nice.  They oiled right before I got to go so I knew the Black Widow would destroy and it definately did.  I won 2 pots with the ball.  In the first set I bowled 655 with 232-189-234.  The ball was hooking right in the pocket.  It was fantastic.  In the second set, I bowled a 608.  I had a 213 in that set that was remarkable on all levels.  I made 3 consecutive split conversions.  Not baby splits but big ones like the 4-10 and 2 other variations of that split.  The Black Widow averaged above 210 on Saturday!

Sunday at Sky Lanes

This was unananimously the WORST bowling center I have ever been to in my whole life.  It was something of a joke to even be called a bowling center.  They DID NOT oil before my squad.  The heads were so torn up.  On of the lines of wood even came up during practice and left chunks around the first 10 feet of the lane.  We had to complain and when we did some lady took the chunks away and broke more pieces of the heads.  I ended up bowling a 460+ series and leaving very pissed off.  I don't need to say how bad they were, but I will say there was NO CONSISTENCY on the lanes at all.  I tried 5 different balls and several different lines and got no where.  I finally scored a 173 in the final game.  By then, I just wanted to leave.

Overall

I wish all the games were at the Summit and I wish that Sky Lanes be burned down or bombed to hell.
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Brunswick Fury
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Hammer Black Widow x 2
Ebonite Xcel Particle
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Averages: Season 206.467; 2007 Year 213.067; 2007 Tourney 174.280;
Black Widow: Average 244.100; High Game 279
BR Member Since: April 3, 2001
Current Arsenal Gallery
H: Brunswick Fury, Columbia 300 EPX T1
M-H: Storm Shift Gravity, Hammer Black Widow
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Bench: Brunswick Target Spare Zone, Ebonite 14 Fun Ball
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2008-09 Year 215.000 2008-09 Tourney 177.360 Last Tourney 182.667

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Necromancer

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Re: PA State tournament
« Reply #17 on: April 30, 2007, 08:21:09 PM »
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I heard stories about Sky Lanes. I don't know why they would even consider having a center like that for a state tournament. One of the guys I bowled with bowled there last weekend and said if you had any loft on the ball it would hit a board and go left. He said out of everyone who was there, there were only 3 600's that day and he was not one of them. Now this is coming from a guy averaging 235+. This guy also informed me that Sky Lanes were supposed to have been resurfaced last year but somehow they messed up in the process.
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Exactly!  Finally understands.  Basically it was like this:

Summit Lanes (Minors/Synthetic/Excellent Lanes) = 210+ average
Sky Lanes (Team/Wood if you want to call it that/Worst Lanes in History) = 155+ average

Both times I started with the same ball (Black Widow).  I bowled a 232 the first game at Summit Lanes.  I bowled 132 at Sky Lanes.  Hmmm... what is the variable?

THE LANES!
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Current Arsenal
Brunswick Fury
Columbia 300 EPX T1
Storm X-Factor Vertigo
Ebonite The One
Hammer Black Widow x 2
Ebonite Xcel Particle
Lane #1 Cobalt Bomb Solid
Storm Trauma ER
Storm El Nino X-IT
Brunswick Quantum Helix
Brunswick Quantum Double Helix
Storm Recharge
Columbia 300 Messenger Ti
Ebonite Vortex Afterburner
Storm Hit Blue Pearl
Ebonite 14 Fun Ball
Averages: Season 206.467; 2007 Year 213.067; 2007 Tourney 178.029;
Black Widow: Average 244.100; High Game 279
BR Member Since: April 3, 2001
Current Arsenal Gallery
H: Brunswick Fury, Columbia 300 EPX T1
M-H: Storm Shift Gravity, Hammer Black Widow
M: Storm X-Factor Vertigo, Ebonite Predator
M-L: Storm Recharge
S: Viz-A-Ball White
Bench: Brunswick Target Spare Zone, Ebonite 14 Fun Ball
GEMS: Brunswick Quantum Helix, Brunswick Quantum Double Helix

2008-09 Year 215.000 2008-09 Tourney 177.360 Last Tourney 182.667

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Re: PA State tournament
« Reply #18 on: April 30, 2007, 09:14:52 PM »
I was there this weekend, Sky lanes is a joke. They oiled for our squad, we were on 13-14. Lane 13 was oiled 3 times, it was a total flood, none of us could even get a ball to wrinkle. I was throwing a VBP Burgundy Gryphon and it went straight and came back soaked every time. But on lane 14 I was throwing an Inferno and had all the hook I wanted. If 13 would have been like 14 I could have shot a decent 600, instead I shot 490.
At Summit we also had fresh oil and I pretty much had what has already been said. Shot was hooking from outside 12 but was constantly tightening up. If I could have kicked a couple of 10 pins I would have been in good shape. Shot 627-620 but felt like I did better than that.
Something that I noticed, Summit was very hot and it was only about 70 the day we bowled.

Crash13

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Re: PA State tournament
« Reply #19 on: May 01, 2007, 05:36:38 PM »
Okay, Some pot stirring, just to see what discussion comes out of it.  

I am not trying to brag because, quite frankly, I have no room to do so.  But I won our county scratch singles and all-events tournament two years in a row (a while back, but fewer than 10 years ago.)  My high winning series were small 700s.  All event scores were just over 2000.  Both tournaments were on old, beat-up, wood lanes.  Machines broke down.  Balls got chewed up.  The best bowlers in the valley struggled to throw 6's.

This year, I threw something like 1900 scratch all-events.  The lanes were walled and all the crankers were tossing pins everywhere.  There were 9 scratch 800's (winner threw an 858), and nine 300's.  The scratch all-events winner threw a 2337 and winning team tossed a 3564.

So, the question is...who bowled better?  The guy who throws almost 860 when everyone else is throwing big numbers, too -- or the one who can throw a little 700 when no one else can score?

Years ago some PGA players were complaining that the USGA was putting out an unfair condition for the US Open.  One of the pro's said something like, "They're trying to embarrass the best players in the world."   To which the tournament director said, "No, we're trying to FIND the best players in the world."

So, the conditions at Sky Lanes are atrocious.  But if everyone in the tournament has to bowl on the same atrocious condition, isn't the tournament still fair?  To me, it just means that someone will find a way to bowl well, or at least better than the others.  I thought that was the definition of a good bowler.

That said, and to prove I'm not a troll, I'll be at Sky Lanes at noon this Saturday.  Whether I bowl well or embarrass myself, I will report back with all the gory details Monday.

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markb

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Re: PA State tournament
« Reply #20 on: May 02, 2007, 09:46:10 PM »
Were the conditions fair for me??? No way, the pairs beside me were all hooking alot and I had a flood on the left lane and the sahara on the right lane. Some lanes have loose boards that will cause a ball to jump left/right and other pairs do not so is that fair for those people??
 
One big difference when it is a county tourney is that everyone going is aware of the conditions if the center is a rough house. When you go to a state tourney and you are unaware of the centers conditions and you are spending alot of money to travel there you should at least be able to bowl on lanes that are equal across the house and conform to equal conditions. Sky Lanes is far from being equal to everyone. I am not saying that an easy shot be put down so scores are high but at least give us a house that makes it worth traveling to.

Personally, I think I am done going to states after this. I know I will not be driving 6 hours and spending a couple hundred dollars for the entry fee/hotel/gas/food etc. next year for Erie.

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Re: PA State tournament
« Reply #21 on: May 02, 2007, 09:51:25 PM »
There is no USBC rule that states the ball has to touch the lane, if the center isn't willing to look out for the bowlers, why should you look out for them.


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Re: PA State tournament
« Reply #22 on: May 03, 2007, 09:55:30 AM »
The houses that States will be in next year in Erie are light years better than either house this year...actually conditions at Summit were not too bad, just REALLY LOUD, and the lighting sucked, but the shot was fair.  Don't judge the houses in Erie due to the crappy conditions this year.

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Re: PA State tournament
« Reply #23 on: May 03, 2007, 01:29:22 PM »
Eastway lanes in Erie is one of the nicest establishments I have ever bowled in..  if you decide against going next year, you will definitely be missing out.  If you are in need of a new ball, save up and see Chuck in the ProShop.  Definitely one of the best ball drillers in western, PA.

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Re: PA State tournament
« Reply #24 on: May 08, 2007, 08:12:31 AM »
Anyone have new news?
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Crash13

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Re: PA State tournament
« Reply #25 on: May 08, 2007, 11:33:26 AM »
Promised an update on my weekend in East Stroudsburg, as painful as it is to write.  I was simply atrocious at Summit Lanes.  There was a shot there; I simply could not find it.  When I tried playing inside my ball wouldn't turn the corner.  An outside line resulted in coming up high.  Never broke 570.  My bad, as a couple teammates rolled very well.  As far as the noise everyone mentioned -- yeah, is was quite loud at first, but once your ears hit a certain ringing pitch it wasn't too bad.  In all, I could bowl there whenever I get my head straightened out.

Sky Lanes?  This is the house everyone's complaining about?  Gee, you guys are spoiled.  That place was gorgeous compared to the typical houses I bowl at.  Go rent the movie Kingpin.  (And if you are any type of bowler, you should already have a copy.)  The house where they're walking up the stairs at the very beginning?  That's not a movie set -- it's a real bowling establishment.  It looks worse now than it does in the movie.  And I bowl there all the time.  The scene where Vanessa Angel lets the hand dryers "lift" her skirt?  My home house.  Compared to these places Sky Lanes is the Taj Mahal.

That said, those who complained about the heads being broken down were absolutely correct.  A friend who tends to loft the ball had issues all day with the ball bouncing indiscriminantly left or right and never managed to figure out what to do.  A couple others had the same issue.  I fought it the entire first game (171) and finally got around the problem by laying the ball down at my feet so it was already rolling when it got to the problematic area in the heads.  Ended up with a 640.

So, I bowled better at the tougher house and poorer at the easier house.  Go figure...

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Re: PA State tournament
« Reply #26 on: May 21, 2007, 02:14:02 PM »
Anyone been since Crash13?

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Re: PA State tournament
« Reply #27 on: May 22, 2007, 08:31:09 AM »
I agree I am at one month and a day till i am there!
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Re: PA State tournament
« Reply #28 on: May 24, 2007, 10:53:03 PM »
Sheppy, are you going the 17th of June????
I will be there then. I loft the ball, could I get away with clearing the pines? or should I try to move back on the approach and lay it down and let it roll onto the lane? (don't know if this is possible or not) will have to practice it... )
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Re: PA State tournament
« Reply #29 on: May 25, 2007, 07:04:27 AM »
No i am going the last weekend. June 23 and 24 i will be there. I dont know from what people said lofting on the one lanes can be hit or miss. Alot of people had problems. If i was you i would practice it and have it ready just in case. I hope you do well and please let me know what you think and how the lanes played for you.
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Re: PA State tournament
« Reply #30 on: May 25, 2007, 08:56:57 AM »
quote:
Sheppy, are you going the 17th of June????
I will be there then. I loft the ball, could I get away with clearing the pines? or should I try to move back on the approach and lay it down and let it roll onto the lane? (don't know if this is possible or not) will have to practice it... )
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Lofting is not going to work at Sky Lanes...the heads are in atrocious shape, one shot it may bounce right and the next shot hitting the same place it may bounce left...Summit you should be fine at, but Sky...that is a hole.