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Regional Action => NorthEast => Topic started by: tank38 on April 03, 2016, 08:13:33 AM
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The PA state tournament started this weekend. Did anybody go, if so how did the patterns play? I will be bowling mothers day weekend.
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We're heading out Apr 22 to 24
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Anybody going to bowl this coming weekend?
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I wish I had a team for this (and Nationals). Sounds like it would be fun. When you start bowling in your late 40s, most people already have long set teams I guess. But usually these things conflict with my son's tournament schedule, and I always defer.
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Looking forward to hearing reports. If not, Ill post my debacle when I get back from the 23/24 weekend :)
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Looking forward to hearing reports. If not, Ill post my debacle when I get back from the 23/24 weekend :)
Love the user name. One of my all time favorite book series.
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Looking forward to hearing reports. If not, Ill post my debacle when I get back from the 23/24 weekend :)
First post in what... 6-8 years? You're back!
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Has anybody heard or seen anything on what the scoring has been like so far? The PSBA site doesn't have anything listed yet for the tournament.
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1st second-hand report I got was that it was pretty tough, and setup like a sport shot. Big OB outside. Now I cant confirm this, but will see in a week and a half when I am out there
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http://www.wildlifelanes.com/#!2016-state-tournament-results/i0nbq
Real low scores the first 2 weeks. No 3000 in team scratch yet. Heard it may be kegel taj mahal as the shot
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Thanks for the update, looks like things have been pretty tough so far.
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If it is indeed a tougher shot and not a typical house shot, in my opinion, it is great that they did that. It sure beats the 800 series sets that were thrown in the first couple weeks in Erie a couple years ago. That's a good way to kill a tournament from the start.
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I can see it from both sides... No one wants to enter knowing they need 800+ to even have a shot. On the other hand, I hate driving 6 hrs. across the state to shoot a 500 series because it's the one and only time I'll be throwing on a flat pattern for the year.
We shall see how it goes.
Scott
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I can see it from both sides... No one wants to enter knowing they need 800+ to even have a shot. On the other hand, I hate driving 6 hrs. across the state to shoot a 500 series because it's the one and only time I'll be throwing on a flat pattern for the year.
We shall see how it goes.
Scott
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Trying to decide if I want to make the 5hr trek to bowl singles and doubles, or just wait until next year when the tournament is hosted in my area. Decisions, decisions.
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I have a 223 league average, ~175 nationals average. So just your average house bowler who needs area to score. I didn't go in with many expectations, and it was a good thing..lol.. I shot just over 1600 AE. Highlight of the weekend was not shooting under 500!
S/D house was flying backends from the start. I hate to see the guys who bowled 2nd shift on it. On fresh, it is tight, but you can develop a little miss room if you work it right. I got tired and lazy, otherwise would have had a decent doubles set. 540/565
Team house had much less overall movement. Shot felt the same, with dirty backends. That could have been because of the team we bowled with and their 1400 pins of handicap..lol But if you have 10 guys that can bowl, I think you can groove a decent shot here. Can develop some tug room if nothing else. Hungover, sore, and tired, shot 502. I bet I had 20-25 opens over the 9 games (including 2 10s, 8! 3-6-10s..lol...and a couple 6-10s...that there was really no excuse to miss). I didn't leave many splits, just had no concept of spare shooting and couldn't string strikes to make up for it
Of course the team we paired up with is now leading with 3560 or so. 2 guys throwing 20mph at the head pin. 1 2handing a 12lb plastic ball in house shoes. Definitely not sandbaggers, just a couple of guys who managed to be 20-30 pins over their average a game.
I had no issue with the shot, but definitely the lowest scores I have seen in the 15 years I have bowled states. Would have loved to bowl better, but what can you do. 220s were winning high game pots, and 170s-180s were making it through brackets.
Lengthy discussions were had by some with the tournament officials, and there are some good discussions going on now about it on the PSBA Facebook group. https://www.facebook.com/groups/568839189833957/
I imagine either they will announce ahead of time what they are doing shot-wise next year, or they will be walled up so bad you will lose brackets with 250s.. :)
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Agree with Belgeron. Lanes were very difficult however I threw the ball poorly. Only excuse I really had was lack of sleep the couple days right around and during the tournament due to my own stupidity working in the yard after dusk with shorts on and getting bit up by mosquitoes.
Hard to add more to what Bel had said. There is a shot there and both houses seemed very similar with d/s house having sharper backends. When I threw the ball well I would hit the pocket nicely but left a whole lot of ringing tens. Trying some movements didn't help much as I would then just miss the pocket. Awful spare shooting didn't help.
I'm still glad that it wasn't a walled up house shot even though I bowled poorly. I can't speak for others however. I would like another shot at it but rested up much better.
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No one in my group bowled exceptionally well. We did singles/doubles first at 8AM on Saturday. Backends were flying. Anything pulled slightly would miss left by a bunch. Spare shooting for left side spares was a challenge, and I hooked past a couple 4-pins that I thought I had made.
I had some success going up 7 board with a Storm Ride and switching to my Dirty Look after the shot changed just into game 2. Managed a 617 with a 160 game in singles, and shot 700 in doubles. I threw pretty hard, and the ball would just exit stage left when it hit the dry. Great reaction with the Dirty Look.
The team shot was another story. We again had fresh oil, but nothing in the way of backend. I threw the ball like crap Sunday. Pulled everything for half the block. Just could not carry more than a double, and those were rare. I needed aggressive with some surface, but I left it at home since I didn't need it for singles/doubles and I live near both houses. Didn't thing I'd need it. I was wrong. Shot 544 to kill any chance at all-events.
Hope you all have better luck at figuring team out than I did. I needed something more aggressive than my Jet Turbulence.
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Well this past weekend was very interesting to say the least.
We rolled doubles and singles last Friday and we had no backend, it was slick with a huge out of bounds. If you got it outside of 12 to 10 depending on the pair you were on it would not recover, I saw a lot of 2-10 splits across the house. I was able to squeak out a 558 and 561 with a couple of missed spares in the mix. Saturday team shot was about the same condition with a little less of an out of bounds and I was able to play a little straighter and managed a 586 series with a couple more opens.
I'm not a sport shot bowler and don't have much experience on sport shots, but I think if had some experience or knowledge on that shot I could hit it and bowl well.
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Anybody else care to share their experience?
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So are there any rumblings (good or bad) going on about the overall experience of the tournament this year?
I for one didn't think it was to bad, but for someone at my level of bowling experience being on the lower end, I think it would be nice to know what the shot is ahead of time so that you might have a chance to practice on the shot somewhere before you head to the tournament.
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I think it was ridiculous. 99.9% of PA Bowlers throw on some type of house shot. Mive to the state tournament and it's a completely different shot. In my opinion it eliminated most Bowlers from having any chance. The only one who benefited were 1) the really high handicappers - lane conditions have minimal impact and 2) the very high average who bowl tournaments on many different conditions and may even bowl in sport leagues. The rest of the people who average between 150 and 210 were pretty much S.O.L.
I'm not saying that you should be able to close your eyes, throw the ball anywhere, and strike, but it would be nice to hit the pocket on at least reasonably well thrown shots.
I think they didn't announce the pattern change because they wanted a reasonable turnout. I hope the association was taking notes during (what I imagined to be) just about every shift. Lots of unhappy folks.
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(The rest of the people who average between 150 and 210 were pretty much S.O.L.)
This is the range I fit into and I couldn't agree more with what you said. I don't go into this tournament expecting or want to have a cake shot but, I don't go into it thinking I have no shot and that's what it seemed like this year. Oh well, maybe next year will be different.
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I completely disagree with any sort of house shot being at the state tournament. It is a tournament and should be treated as such. I like bowling on harder conditions and bowled awful at states. I'll own it. I am surely in the minority but I would rather bowl in a tournament that has low scores rather than check out the standings after the first week and see that the leader in scratch singles threw 850 and the team scratch is 3700 plus.
Last year I walked into the team house just as a squad was finishing up and noticed a guy hollering about how horrible the conditions were and how awful the state tournament was for putting down that condition. I asked what ball he was throwing. His reply was that it was the only one that he owned and that he had it for about the last ten years. Those days have been gone for a long time. I don't think it's necessary to bring in a truck load of balls but at a tournament you should have an option or two.
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Did anybody get a chance to read the tournament directors letter about the lane conditions? What do you think about it?
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I have it at home but haven't looked at it for a while. Afraid that Bryan will ask Berks association to put in an easy shot next year.
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I don't think so much an easier shot, but maybe not as challenging as last years is what they might be thinking.