Post by: Dbum on July 19, 2009, 01:31:18 PM
2. Sven Steinburg
3. Joe Tremper
4. Chris Lee
5. Darrin Bivins
I will post everything on the web tomorrow, I'm exhausted today. I appreciate everyone for there support and next year all the flaws we had i will clear up. I appreciate all the guidance ( Tony, Mike L, Jeff B)
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Edited on 7/19/2009 9:33 PM
Post by: walt8398 on July 19, 2009, 09:51:42 PM
Great tournament pattern. Their house shot is totally "old school".
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Post by: dursty on July 19, 2009, 10:55:37 PM
Post by: I_Bowl4Money on July 20, 2009, 06:35:06 AM
A very good turnout for the first tournament and the pattern seemed to play tough enough througout qualifying.
After 5 games of Qualifying
Leader (+82)
Cut to cash/make top 16 (-11)
I will send you an email or PM regarding my thoughts for the future.
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Post by: Mike L on July 20, 2009, 09:35:16 AM
Like I told you Darnell, next time $1000 and $500 will make more sense, because then you can stagger the prize fund more, $60 for $1000 is still a great ratio.
All those that like the side action, 90 brds, and the pots paid $130 for 1st and I believe $60 or $65 for 2nd, so there is money to be made!
All in all a good first tournament and I look forward to the next one!
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Post by: Dbum on July 20, 2009, 09:43:46 AM
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Post by: Jesse James on July 20, 2009, 02:09:01 PM
Hey, as far as the stepladder finals goes........how about changing lanes for each step, on the ladder? Just a thought.
No offense to Kenny, but he got "locked in" on that one pair!
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Post by: Dbum on July 20, 2009, 03:25:58 PM
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Post by: walt8398 on July 20, 2009, 07:42:47 PM
DB, I agree with Mike L. $1000-1st and $500-2nd place is nothing to sneeze at for a $60 entry fee. Great job, little brother!
...... @ dursty - YES I DID!
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Post by: Dbum on July 20, 2009, 10:37:22 PM
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Post by: Ceo of DcYg bowling club on July 20, 2009, 10:41:44 PM
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Walton, Man that's the only place I bowl league at man..I make so much money in there for the season its not funny. That shot allows me to shoot 250 or better and win money. We do get a Kegel Machine in August so we will see. but I hear you about the money thing and I got it..
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Post by: Dbum on July 21, 2009, 02:19:10 AM
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Post by: Mr Straight Ball on July 21, 2009, 10:22:14 AM
DB - I know you left the tournament with a ton of thoughts on what you liked and disliked. That's still happening with 40 Boards and we are going into year 4. Even though my ball kept hooking, I'll be back. -)
And tell KL to be on time next time. LOL
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Post by: Donald Trump on July 21, 2009, 11:50:58 AM
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And tell KL to be on time next time. LOL
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That’s why I didn’t bowl. I cannot stand it when bowlers arrive late or tournament directors hold up the starting time of a tournament to allow bowlers to get to the center and not receive any type of penalty. Normally the culprit is Bobby and that alone kills entries for the future. Pleasing one person causes 10 others to not bowl, was it worth it? Think about it….and ask Jim Smith how his entries are doing these days
Post by: Mike L on July 21, 2009, 12:13:23 PM
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Post by: Donald Trump on July 21, 2009, 12:28:14 PM
Post by: Dbum on July 21, 2009, 12:55:51 PM
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Post by: Mike L on July 21, 2009, 01:04:17 PM
I wasn't necessarily talking about yours, but you know as well as anyone else, for the last 5 years, the same 3-5 guys always show up late because they know they can get away with it and it does suck sometimes, I rush to make it on time and then come to find out I had another 15-30 mins to spare. Just my .02!
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Post by: Dbum on July 21, 2009, 01:44:26 PM
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Post by: Mr Straight Ball on July 21, 2009, 02:40:30 PM
Trump, please don't cite a late bowler as why you don't, didn't or aren't bowling a tournament. We need to all be honest as to why we didn't bowl.
I did not bowl because I...
A. Conveniently forgot
B. Could not afford it
C. Heard the house shot was not easy
D. Just plain scared to compete
If bowlers want to know why the tournament scene is holding strong at 40 entries, look in the mirror. Quote unquote good bowlers are always making excuse as to why they don't bowl a tournament yet they can bowl league 4 nights a week, get in all the side action.
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Post by: walt8398 on July 21, 2009, 03:38:44 PM
M.U.S.U.
LMAO
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Post by: Donald Trump on July 21, 2009, 04:19:05 PM
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Darnell, I knew what was holding you guys up in the office, a rush of folks. And for the record, KL drove from Lebanon hoping to make it and we weren't waiting on him.
Trump, please don't cite a late bowler as why you don't, didn't or aren't bowling a tournament. We need to all be honest as to why we didn't bowl.
I did not bowl because I...
A. Conveniently forgot
B. Could not afford it
C. Heard the house shot was not easy
D. Just plain scared to compete
If bowlers want to know why the tournament scene is holding strong at 40 entries, look in the mirror. Quote unquote good bowlers are always making excuse as to why they don't bowl a tournament yet they can bowl league 4 nights a week, get in all the side action.
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Actually, I like the tough conditions and when Darnell announced the house shot was being put down I decided against bowling. A house condtion for a tournament is just stupid.
This still doesn't excuse the allowance of tardy bowlers being allowed to bowl without a penalty of zero for each frame after the announced starting time!
Post by: dursty on July 21, 2009, 04:36:14 PM
Post by: Ceo of DcYg bowling club on July 21, 2009, 05:10:42 PM
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Post by: cgilyeat on July 21, 2009, 06:07:58 PM
Colin
Post by: Dbum on July 21, 2009, 06:44:50 PM
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Post by: walt8398 on July 21, 2009, 10:21:49 PM
May the PBA burn in hell for starting that stupid trend.
Why can't people show up and just test their skills against other bowlers their calibur or better? "Sometimes you eat the bear and sometimes the bear eats you". You live to bowl another day. It's all about improving isn't it? As tough as the pattern was, I will bowl again at Parkland because I felt like I left some score there.
Gang, there are always going to be those that bowl and those that will stand in the back and criticize. That's ok because they have the right to do that. It's what makes this country so great. We'll continue to enjoy events like 1N4Tournaments, 40Boards, Money Bags and VMSBT while the "Sideliners" continue to watch.
"Your only as good as your last tournament" - Harry "Goose" Golden. PBA Tournament Director for 30 years (RIP).... I finished 12th so that means I have some work to do!
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Post by: Ceo of DcYg bowling club on July 22, 2009, 08:34:44 AM
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What happened to the days of someone announcing a tournament at a center and all anyone asked was, "How much is the entry and what time?"
May the PBA burn in hell for starting that stupid trend.
Why can't people show up and just test their skills against other bowlers their calibur or better? "Sometimes you eat the bear and sometimes the bear eats you". You live to bowl another day. It's all about improving isn't it? As tough as the pattern was, I will bowl again at Parkland because I felt like I left some score there.
Gang, there are always going to be those that bowl and those that will stand in the back and criticize. That's ok because they have the right to do that. It's what makes this country so great. We'll continue to enjoy events like 1N4Tournaments, 40Boards, Money Bags and VMSBT while the "Sideliners" continue to watch.
"Your only as good as your last tournament" - Harry "Goose" Golden. PBA Tournament Director for 30 years (RIP).... I finished 12th so that means I have some work to do!
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Post by: Donald Trump on July 22, 2009, 09:09:21 AM
I will be at any and all tournaments that do not put the house shot down.
Post by: Donald Trump on July 22, 2009, 09:09:46 AM
Post by: walt8398 on July 22, 2009, 09:26:53 AM
As a TD, people being on time is paramount. Trump is spot on with time. 20 minutes before starting time 20-25 people show up and it makes you late. Tough to leave the table when you are signing people up.
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Post by: I_Bowl4Money on July 22, 2009, 10:39:10 AM
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Post by: Mr Straight Ball on July 22, 2009, 11:34:41 AM
To all, as my man WKR would say, "You need variety..."
Now days, so called good bowlers are to busy bothering the tournament director(s) with the same dumb question, "What are you putting down?" Why does it even matter? Either you are coming or you aren't! We all own 4-10 balls this day so there is no reason we cannot match up to find something. Some times you have to trick up your physical game to get the ball there but either way, score is out there for all of us to get.
For example, last year, 40 Boards ran 10 events and had you come to them all then you had a chance to miss by a mile and strike as well as scratch your head while adding some choice words under your breath. LOL
-3 house shots
-1 modified house shot where the gutters did not hook
-PBA Shark that was tighter than tight
-Kegel Rt.66
-10 game dual shot event 5 on a PBA pattern and 5 on the USBC Open shot
-last two events at Bowl America were a modified shot that was scorable but tricked up a lot of people
My point is that when we are sitting at home "acting like a bowler", it is far to easy to miss the times when you might have matched up real well! And VMSBT has operated under the same principle for about 10 years now. I have been hearing for a while how guys want to bowl when they are tough but it is proven that when a house shot is advertised the entries are best!!!
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Post by: MichStBwlr2009 on July 22, 2009, 01:25:17 PM
Overall, it's a really tough call for tournament directors and I feel your pain (I have ran a few tournaments and leagues), and it seems you can never really make everyone happy. I believe the only way to get around this is just mix it up and don't tell bowlers beforehand what the lane condition is going to be. Another option might be to use the Kegel Challenge Series patterns as they can usually be played from most areas of the lane, but require a decent amount of accuracy. These Kegel patterns are easy enough to score on, but not so easy that you have to average 230 to make money. Sorry about the rant, but this topic seems to come up a lot in tournament bowling.
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Post by: ctk4life on July 22, 2009, 01:44:19 PM
As for tournaments around here. I myself try to get in each tournament that I can. Whether it be sport, pba, modified or bonified house shot. I tend to do better on tougher conditions but I would never skip a tournament because it was a certain pattern. That to me makes 0 sense at all. When push comes to shove we bowl to bowl. For those that use the cop out of it being to easy simply makes me puke. Unattractive it may be but it is still tournament play with a larger field. Just look at the people that try to put out tough shots! They get 25 people MAX!!! Darnell's tournament was a great success! Even though it was on their house shot it was by far the toughest house shot I have ever bowled on. So let us not get in to the debate of sport vs. house as the house will always win. If you want to solely bowl on tough conditions, pack up your car and make your way to the TQR's. If not then just bowl and wait for those tournaments that require more skills than others.
Post by: MichStBwlr2009 on July 22, 2009, 01:58:50 PM
I have bowled in college too, and we faced some really difficult conditions at nearly every tournament we bowled in. We have a youth association based in Michigan (Michigan Junior Masters Association or MJMA) which uses tough conditions at every tournament and they routinely get over 70 guys and 30 girls to bowl. I know there are a lot more adult bowlers out there than youth, but I just wonder what their reasoning is for not wanting to bowl on anything challenging. Seems as though the youth enjoy challenging themselves to get better, so why not adult bowlers too?
Oh well, what are you going to do. Tournaments can put whatever pattern they want out, I'll bowl and give it my best shot and whoever knocks the most pins down at the end is the winner. That is simply what the game is all about.
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Post by: ctk4life on July 22, 2009, 02:13:28 PM
As for the youth generally wanting to participate no matter what is out is simply what you say, they want to excel. I guess adults are not like that being as though they put up their hard earned money and give up time that is taken away from family and other activities. I for one am just happy that there are a vast amount of locations in which tournaments are held. People like Jeff, Tony, Darnell, and etc. do not get enough credit from the bowling community. They are the ones providing what we really want. I know that there is nothing like bowling in a competitive environment! Even with the house shot out there is nothing like knowing what you have to do to cash or win. Their time put in to their respected tours is countless. It just goes to show that there are people that truly want the sport of bowling to keep going. Whether it be house or sport there is always a tournament to bowl around this area. That is so much more than what most the country has.
Post by: MichStBwlr2009 on July 22, 2009, 02:35:15 PM
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Post by: rotomike on July 22, 2009, 03:34:01 PM
Just announce the pattern distance and nothing more.
If you say it is a PBAX shot the main complaint will be "it didn't play anything near to what it is supposed to be." Guess what, I bowl in 2 PBA leagues in two different houses during the winter and the shots play differently. Which one was "right" ...I have my opinions as we all do but who really is to say.
Last week I bowled on the Scorpion pattern at Ft. Meade, Columbia, and Perry Hall. Although the basic construction of the pattern was close to the same, I played three different shots the three different nights. One of the Columbia bowlers came to Ft. Meade to watch Scorpion this Monday and was shocked by the amount of friction he saw (yes people Ft.Meade's Scorpion has more friction than Columbia's or Perry Hall's ... shocking I know)
How about our tournament directors just tell us how long the pattern is and leave it at that?
Jeff and Tony what do you think???
Post by: rotomike on July 22, 2009, 03:34:33 PM
Post by: walt8398 on July 22, 2009, 03:43:23 PM
If you are looking to bowl on a Typical House Shot..... DON'T BOWL VMSBT.
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Post by: walt8398 on July 22, 2009, 03:46:12 PM
You know I'm "old school"....
I don't mind doing that at all. Great post by the way. People need to factor in lane surface and topography.
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Post by: jet0832 on July 22, 2009, 05:20:06 PM
Post by: I_Bowl4Money on July 22, 2009, 06:16:57 PM
Jet - did you get a nose bleed this past Friday and Sunday.
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Post by: MichStBwlr2009 on July 22, 2009, 06:49:37 PM
What winter PBA Experience leagues do you bowl in? Just curious, cause I am looking to join one or two for this upcoming season.
Post by: rotomike on July 22, 2009, 08:26:51 PM
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Post by: jet0832 on July 23, 2009, 03:37:28 AM
Post by: Mike L on July 23, 2009, 09:55:09 AM
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Post by: Mr Straight Ball on July 23, 2009, 12:59:29 PM
JET's nose ran off of his face at the last VMSBT so he has not had to worry about catching a nose bleed since. ROFL
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