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Regional Action => NorthEast => Topic started by: tommygn on January 07, 2010, 12:42:40 AM
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Red Crown bowling center in Harrisburg, PA will be running a urethane only league. It will be Tuesday evenings with a start time of 7:00 we will be starting on February 2nd. League will be bowled on a low volume house condition.
Approved balls are Storm’s Natural, AMF Hype urethane and Angle urethane remake, Seismic Desperado, Visionary Ogre urethane, Lane #1 Liberator, and Brunswick urethane Groove.
Rules on plugged balls are as follows no more than 3/8†plug material around any hole. No plugged balance holes will be permitted.
League will consist of 4 games, bowling against all bowlers every game, with a bonus point awarded to high bowler for each game, and subsequent points based on total number of league bowlers. This is a scratch league.
The league will run for twelve weeks ending April 20th.
No polyester balls for spares will be allowed.
All urethane balls will be permitted (Hammers, Angles, Sumos, LT48s, etc..) as long as plug rules are followed.
Cost will be $15 a week.
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Tommy Gollick
Storm Regional/Pro Shop staff
Red Crown Pro Shop Harrisburg, PA
stormbowling.com
Edited on 1/7/2010 2:16 PM
Edited on 1/11/2010 7:19 AM
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Sounds like a fun league for sure...
...but why the restriction on plastic spare balls?
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-Chris: DJ's Pro Shop : Auburn, MA
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The idea is to isolate the use of only one form of technology, level the playing field if you will. I thought through this, and figure that there will probably be at least one person wanting to use plastic for a strike ball, and this would defeat the purpose of the league. How do you tell someone they cannot use plastic for their first ball, but they can for shooting at spares. This is why I decided to allow urethane only.
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Tommy Gollick
Storm Regional/Pro Shop staff
Red Crown Pro Shop Harrisburg, PA
stormbowling.com
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My apologies for forgetting about the Visionary balls. Yes, they can be used. As far as leagues are concerned, you can put any rules into bylaws you want to. The USBC rule book takes over if there isn't a rule in place.
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Tommy Gollick
Storm Regional/Pro Shop staff
Red Crown Pro Shop Harrisburg, PA
stormbowling.com
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Chapter 2, rule number 1 of the USBC rule book (page 14).
Leagues and tournaments must be organized and bowled in accordance with USBC bylaws, rules and regulations. These events must be scheduled on lanes that currently are USBC certified and ONLY USBC approved equipment may be used.
No where in the rule book, at least that I have found, says that you have to allow all bowling balls in play.
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Tommy Gollick
Storm Regional/Pro Shop staff
Red Crown Pro Shop Harrisburg, PA
stormbowling.com
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I run the pro shop. We are offering a special on Storm Natural's. Purchase a Natural at our regular price of $135.00 (drilling included, thumb solids and inserts are extra), and after completion of the league (and all dues have been paid, you will receive a $25.00 gift card towards the bowling center. This brings the cost of the ball down to $115.00. The reason for the league to be completed first, is so that I don't have bowlers drilling balls for the sale price, and then not bowling the league. The main objective is to build a league, and if I got a little business from it, great. I have this on the flyer for the league. I was originally going to make it a one ball league, but I am most concerned about getting bowlers out and enjoying this great game. Hopefully, if all goes well, we may be able to bring a few bowlers out of retirement that have quit since the advent of resin.
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Tommy Gollick
Storm Regional/Pro Shop staff
Red Crown Pro Shop Harrisburg, PA
stormbowling.com
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I've been around bowling for a long time and in this business I've learned many things. This without a doubt is a good idea for a league...from a bowler's point of view. The vision is more ideal for a tournament, but not a league. Even though this league is 12 weeks long, you can't expect a lot of bowlers to congregate and bowl this league. It forces them to buy equipment or hunt for items that are hard to find for some.
The vision for a sport shot league with give-a-ways (cash/prizes) is more ideal, rather than using all balls with the same shell. All of the balls you've mentioned have different RG's and Diff's and can be laid out differently as well. You can't tell people what to throw not unless there is something to bowl for (a lot of cash - then its worth the while!). Someone was trying to run something like this a while back and really didn't turn any heads. I really hope I'm wrong and wish you the best.
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Bo Littlefield
AMF300 / 900 Global Staff
The Strike Zone Pro Shop of San Antonio
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Thank you for sharing strikezone.
I feel it makes more sense to buy a ball (if you do not already own one and wish to bowl this league) for a 12 week league, rather than for a one day tournament. If all goes well, we will run the league again. But for now, I really think that to keep bowling centers a float, we need to look at any and all possibilities at getting some of the millions of bowlers we lost back into the centers, even if it is only for 12 weeks at a time.
We already run PBAX leagues. They are sunday nights, and are doubles/scratch. They run for 10 weeks a time.
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Tommy Gollick
Storm Regional/Pro Shop staff
Red Crown Pro Shop Harrisburg, PA
stormbowling.com
Edited on 1/7/2010 2:54 PM
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Awesome idea Tommy!
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Andrew Hurst
Texas is pumping out revolutionary equipment!
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Great idea! Just wish i lived closer
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Tommy, Excellent idea, too bad I run a league at North, and who cares if it has certification or not. The type of bowler you will draw probably already has a ton of award scores and they just want to do something different or become better at their accuracy.
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Rick Mitchell
Roto-Grip Staff Member
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Don't get me wrong. I totally understand where your idea is going. But what are the benefits other than the obvious? Those bowlers are gone and you have to deal with it. I'm the president of the league that I sponsor and you just can't tell a bowler to buy from you and bowl in this league. You can't act like you need to profit from the bowler, tell him this is the only kind of ball you need, and bowl this league. You need to target the bowlers that have no clue about the sport and allow them to embrace any league because of your well doing, not because you're forcing this idea upon them. You can't sell the idea of bowling. The only way to get these people in the doorway is by the little things you do - educate them.
I hope you don't take it the wrong way, but that is why I had mentioned it's more suitable for a tournament. Your targeting a certain group. If the group likes the idea of the tournament then come up with a bragging rights league or something along the lines. It's just too obvious and laid out for whomever is walking in the doorway. It feels like there are too many questions to be had on the customers end. Given our current economic status, you can't expect a bowler to buy a ball from you and that's what it's coming down too. Everyone needs to make a buck, but don't feel like there are any strings attached.
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Thank you for sharing strikezone.
I feel it makes more sense to buy a ball (if you do not already own one and wish to bowl this league) for a 12 week league, rather than for a one day tournament. If all goes well, we will run the league again. But for now, I really think that to keep bowling centers a float, we need to look at any and all possibilities at getting some of the millions of bowlers we lost back into the centers, even if it is only for 12 weeks at a time.
We already run PBAX leagues. They are sunday nights, and are doubles/scratch. They run for 10 weeks a time.
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Tommy Gollick
Storm Regional/Pro Shop staff
Red Crown Pro Shop Harrisburg, PA
stormbowling.com
Edited on 1/7/2010 2:54 PM
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Bo Littlefield
AMF300 / 900 Global Staff
The Strike Zone Pro Shop of San Antonio
-only pro shop in Texas with the largest selection and inventory
www.strikezone3884@sbcglobal.net
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This is a great idea,I have 10-14 people that would join now if this was in the lower west coast
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"I hate losing more than I love winning"
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StrikeZone - He's not saying the participant has to buy anything from his shop. All he's running is a special. Buy the ball for $40 less than retail from him and bowl the league, he'll give you credit for the center/shop. Never stated that the urethane equipment needs to be bought from his shop at Red Crown.
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Andrew Hurst
Texas is pumping out revolutionary equipment!
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First off, thank you to all who have posted so far. All of your input is greatly appreciated. I do want to clear a few things up, though. This league is about getting bowlers into the bowling center, who may have dropped out after the reactive resin days, or are looking to hone their shot making abilities.
It is not my intention to make a bunch of bowlers go out and buy a ball from me. This is why I didn't include my special on the original post. I said that in response too another comment.
Strike, I see that you work in the pro shop, so I know that you know that after the price break and time and materials spent to drill, my profit for the ball, if purchased through me, is very very minimal.
On the other hand though, any competitive tournament bowler should have a urethane piece in his or her bag, in my opinion. This gives that said tournament bowler an opportunity to use that ball for a minimum of 12 weeks. how often have bowlers gone out and bought the latest release, only to find out that they can only use it once maybe every few months, when they encounter enough oil, or enough friction for that ball to shine.
It will also allow said bowler 12 weeks of working on different hand positions, and different spin and speed techniques, without the option of just switching cover stocks. It will force the bowlers to work on their game.
I also feel that it will give the bowlers a chance to bowl in an enviroment that will not change as quickly, do too some of the high friction balls that some bowlers use at the wrong times in regular leagues today.
Bowlers will have to work on flattening out their releases for spares, as we are not allowing plastic balls. This will help them in tournaments when using a reactive ball, and the best look is going straighter, alla Norm Duke.
There are really many advantages to a league of this sort, and hopefully we will get enough participation for it to run with multiple sessions throughout the year.
I think modern technology is great!! I do think, though, we are quick to change balls, when maybe a subtle change in technique would benefit, and this league will help hone those skills.
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Tommy Gollick
Storm Regional/Pro Shop staff
Red Crown Pro Shop Harrisburg, PA
stormbowling.com
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Good luck with the league. This sounds like an absolute blast, and I wish somewhere in my slice of paradise ran this!
Urethane for the win.
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I think this is a great idea for a league and would join for sure! I'd be sad that I couldn't bring my Blue Hammer along, though (and I know others who would feel the same way about their oldies but goodies). But I'd be there with my Natural for sure. Curious to see what USBC says.
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To clear things up a bit...I work with Tommy and I'm sure he'll post to confirm this. All urethane balls will be allowed as long as they meet the plugged ball specifications as noted in the original post. Again, any urethane ball, old or new, will be allowed. Tommy was just trying to list some of the more recent urethane releases.
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Thanks Keith. You are 100% correct.
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Tommy Gollick
Storm Regional/Pro Shop staff
Red Crown Pro Shop Harrisburg, PA
stormbowling.com
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Could you possibly run a summer league from this? Most of the guys in York are bowling in a league on Tues night already, or they are bowling Wed/Thurs/Fri like myself. I would love to bowl in this league, but can't justify 4 nights of league a week.
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Hey Tommy, I have a RotoGrip UC2 being shipped to me for me to use for this league, let me know if this ball will be ok.
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Rick Mitchell
Roto-Grip Staff Member
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We are very hopeful that we get a good turnout, and we are able to run another in the summer.
Rick,
Yes, that ball should be alright. I don't remember that one, but if urethane, thumbs up!!
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Tommy Gollick
Storm Regional/Pro Shop staff
Red Crown Pro Shop Harrisburg, PA
stormbowling.com
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If any of you are going to bowl this league, please p.m. me, so I can get you on the list. We will be using 3 pair of lanes. I think it will be a success at 12 bowlers, with 18 being perfect, and maxing out at 24. As of right now, we are at 4 confirmed. I do have flyers printed, if any one is interested.
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Tommy Gollick
Storm Regional/Pro Shop staff
Red Crown Pro Shop Harrisburg, PA
stormbowling.com
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If you can Tommy, email me the flyer to rickm835@netzero.net, or fax to 717-843-3454 and I will make copies of it. I have a ball coming soon to allow me to bowl hopefully.
Thanks again, Don't forget I have a marathon tournament Jan. 31st at 10am on a short oil pattern.
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Rick Mitchell
Roto-Grip Staff Member
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Rick, flyer has been sent to your email.
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ttt
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Tommy Gollick
Storm Regional/Pro Shop staff
Red Crown Pro Shop Harrisburg, PA
stormbowling.com
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For any of you that are interested in this league, and do not currently own a urethane ball, I received an e-mail from bowlingball.com that they have Storm Natural 2nds in 15 and 16 lbs on sale for $85.99 including shipping.
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Tommy Gollick
Storm Regional/Pro Shop staff
Red Crown Pro Shop Harrisburg, PA
stormbowling.com
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We are one week away from the start of the urethane league. Next Tuesday night kicks off the first run. Hopefully if all goes well, this league will be run again in the summer. Hope to see you all there!!
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Tommy Gollick
Storm Regional/Pro Shop staff
Red Crown Pro Shop Harrisburg, PA
stormbowling.com
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Good luck with the league Tommy, i wish i could bowl but i work 2nd shift now tuesdays thru saturdays. Should be a fun league!!
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Tomorrow night is the start of the Urethane league. I have had ALOT of interest from people, but not alot of confirmed bowlers. This is a very unique league, one that I hope will take off and we will be able to offer it as multiple short league seasons through the entire year.
I have had many questions about the league, and want to add some answers.
Is this a sport shot?
This is NOT a sport pattern league. The pattern will be based off of our house shot, with less volume.
Why only urethane, and not plastic?
The idea behind making it a urethane league is so that MOST ALL of the ball companies can be represented. All of the current companies at one time, or are currently offering a urethane piece, and this will allow ALL the companies to be represented. Also, this isolates the use of one form of technology for all participants.
Is this league sanctioned?
Yes, the league will be sanctioned.
Why a tuesday night, and not on the weekend?
This happens to be the time and the night when we have the lanes available to offer this league. Most weekends have local tournaments, and I did not want to compete with that.
Will you run one in the summer?
Maybe. If we get a good enough turnout, and enough interest, I would like to run multiple sessions of this league throughout the year, which will include the summer.
Hopefully this answers some of your question, and I hope to see alot of you there Tomorrow night.
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Tommy Gollick
Storm Regional/Pro Shop staff
Red Crown Pro Shop Harrisburg, PA
stormbowling.com
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You are incorrect. League bylaws are the LAW over and above USBC rules. Tommy G is correct.
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Thomas "Beans" Biniek Jr.
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Tommy,
The only thing I don't like is the low volume oil pattern..
Why would you condition the lanes to make the lesser technology perform better?
It was kind of like the PBA plastic ball championship. Way less volume and the balls actually hooked a bit and hit harder. Entry angle is entry angle and if it is created due to lesser volumes I don't think the Urethane ball restriction is that much of a deal..
Not a knock by any means. Just a professional assumption and I would love to bowl if I could..
beans
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Thomas "Beans" Biniek Jr.
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Hype urethane has a .50 differential and has amazing recovery. I just wish the dam center would make sure there were no loose screws.
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Kiall Hill
Visionary test staff
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ttt
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Tommy Gollick
Storm Regional/Pro Shop staff
Red Crown Pro Shop Harrisburg, PA
stormbowling.com
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How many do you have signed up already?
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Andrew Hurst
Hopkinsville or Bust
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How many people are in the league?
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If somebody needs a strong urethane particle ball for that league, try looking for an old Visionary Midnight Scorcher.
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Here are the results for the first night of League:
League Average Game 1 Game 2 Game 3 Game 4 Total Week's Avg
A) 196 161 180 182 194 717 179
B) 226 233 203 204 169 809 202
C) 245 235 237 189 245 906 226
D) 195 255 185 197 177 814 203
E) 205 197 192 198 186 773 193
F) 212 202 266 211 179 858 214
Comp. 213 213 210 196 191 203
We had some bad weather that seemed to keep some guys who said they would bowl away. We also had one bowler call and wants to bowl, but hurt his back.
These are the score per game and composite averages for each game, and averages for each bowlers standard league, as well as thier average for the first night. I will keep an update every week for those that are interested. Also, If you still want to bowl, We will allow post bowling to make up the first week, as long as it is completed by the start of week 3.
Thank You.
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Tommy Gollick
Storm Regional/Pro Shop staff
Red Crown Pro Shop Harrisburg, PA
stormbowling.com
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These are the score per game and composite averages for each game, and averages for each bowlers standard league, as well as thier average for the first night. I will keep an update every week for those that are interested. Also, If you still want to bowl, We will allow post bowling to make up the first week, as long as it is completed by the start of week 3.
Phew. I didn''t know what I was going do if I couldn''t get weekly updates from a 6-man urethane league in Pennsylvania set up so one guy could show off how much he loves his Natural. KEEP US POSTED!!!!!
It is amazing how people can try and find fault in the most innocent of things. Have a good.
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Tommy Gollick
Storm Regional/Pro Shop staff
Red Crown Pro Shop Harrisburg, PA
stormbowling.com
Edited on 2/5/2010 7:36 AM