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Who you representing? aka phony balony ball deals
« on: December 06, 2007, 03:10:05 AM »
My man Mr. Ripples commented once, there sure are a lot of people in your area on staff. After learning of some people on staff thanks to a certain pro shop owner demanding they be signed.

Why do companies sign people without ACCOMPLISHMENTS to justify why they are on staff. Please don't tell me that someone with no bowling knowledge but works in the pro shop is enough to be on staff. If I am wrong then tell me!

Don't say because I work at a pro shop, I can influence sales. When Joe Bowler comes to buy a ball, you better sell them whatever keeps the lights on in the shop, I know all about the business.
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Re: Who you representing? aka phony balony ball deals
« Reply #46 on: December 11, 2007, 10:55:14 PM »
Maybe if you quit whining and being concerned about the "next guy" you would get a deal.
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Re: Who you representing? aka phony balony ball deals
« Reply #47 on: December 12, 2007, 12:01:31 AM »
Its interesting reading how some are saying that you need to post a bowling resume.  With alot of these inflated averages due to easy house conditions, i can't see that should guarantee someone a contract.  I do agree with Ric Hamlin (i think he said it), that a contract should not just be awared someone just because they are high average, but what can that bowler bring to the company.  I shouldn't matter if they have a 180 avg or 220 avg, but what can they contribute.  maybe knowing someone does help get your foot in the door, but sometimes i'd rather have a 180 avg bowler who is passionate about the sport, the equipment (technology, etc), who is personable, etc than to deal with a 220 avg who has a stuck up attitude and really wouldn't give ya the time of day.  a 180 bowler can be just as knowledgeable if not more than a 220 bowler.  

just my 1.5 cents worth.

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Re: Who you representing? aka phony balony ball deals
« Reply #48 on: December 12, 2007, 08:59:29 AM »
Im not whining about it at all.  I was simply responding to the thread.  I could careless whos on staff.  My accomplishments and bowling speaks for itself.
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Re: Who you representing? aka phony balony ball deals
« Reply #49 on: December 12, 2007, 09:11:15 AM »
I agree with you, But that was the argument alot of the newly pro shop staffers don't know a whole lot about what they are telling you. If they don't play on certain conditions then how can they tell someone whats best for a certain condition and for your game. If all they can do is drill a ball and tell you it hooks, thats not a good rep. Bowlers need to be educated on alot of aspects of bowling and equipment to help them understand why they are buying a certain piece and why would I recommend it to them for their game.

This is not about bashing all low average staffers, the staffer took the opportunity that was given, but take advantage and better yourself and others with  the opportunity..

No names mention, But a staffer recently told me I need to get a certain ball in his company because he shot 770 out of the box. What is that?
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Re: Who you representing? aka phony balony ball deals
« Reply #50 on: December 12, 2007, 10:27:28 AM »
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With alot of these inflated averages due to easy house conditions, i can't see that should guarantee someone a contract. I do agree with Ric Hamlin (i think he said it), that a contract should not just be awared someone just because they are high average, but what can that bowler bring to the company.


So lets see what a particular person can bring to a company. For the ball company, the goal is to sell more balls, correct? So how do you sell balls? You market the ball to the masses. So it seems to me the point of having a staff representative is to have someone out in the bowling community to interact with the bowlers, showcase the product, answer questions about the product, and basically convince people that the product is good for them.

I think an important part of "marketing the ball to the masses" means having a staffer that is out interacting with the masses. I'm not saying a person has to be "good" and needs to have 25 300s to sell a ball. But I think they need to have exposure. The resume, word of mouth, what have you, can all speak to the level of exposure a person has. What good is it to have a very knowledge, approachable person when they are not out and about to expand their knowledge, spread their knowledge, and be approached?
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Re: Who you representing? aka phony balony ball deals
« Reply #51 on: December 12, 2007, 10:36:41 AM »
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« Reply #52 on: December 12, 2007, 11:09:14 AM »
I think staffers should not be selected only because of their "Accomplishments" or other things on their resume.  They should also be able to market the company's products, and not only demonstrate they can do well with the bowling balls, but have extensive knowledge on the factors that make the bowling balls work well on certain conditions (core characteristics, coverstock characteristics, layout patterns, etc.). The staffer should have great customer service skills, and contribute ideas to the company's marketing staff on how to increase sales of the product in their area.  Most importantly, they need to show a positive image that will get potential customers to look and buy the company's product.

There are so many groups of bowlers from expert to recreational bowlers.  Staffers need to be able to recognize these groups and develop different strategies on getting these potential customers to inquire, and eventually buy the company's product.

If staffers can't inlfuence sales and increase a company's overall profits in their area, then the company should take the responsibilty find a new staffer.  The more effective a staffer is able to connect to customers (with successes in tournments, leagues, coaching, meeting one-on-one, pro-shop exposure, etc) the more Return on Investment (ROI) the company will get at the end.
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Re: Who you representing? aka phony balony ball deals
« Reply #53 on: December 12, 2007, 12:39:05 PM »

This post is a slippery slope because there's alot of points that are right on all sides, but still contradict each other.  Lately there have been so many staffers that it seems like people just want the merit and distinction of a staff member to separate themselves from those less talented than them.  The balls just so happen to come with that deal.  I think we in this thread who aren't staffers, yet know more about the game than the average league bowler are the minority.  Bowling companies rarely have and rarely will cater products to our demand because out of the millions of potential customers, the 220+ scratch bowler that knows what they're doing is a very small minority.  8 balls don't come out a month to suit our needs, they come out to give the public something to be excited about and try.  We should be good enough and smart enough to match good covers to core numbers and layouts for ourselves to achieve whatever reaction we want because we have the game to do so.  Good bowlers are physically talented enough to make anything look good, but the bowling industry thrives on those who need a little extra help, so if you can't get angle with your release then ta da, this new ball is for you.  The bowling industry will always be a business first and a "family" last.  

While we aren't naive enough to buy a ball because a new staffer shot a big 7 or 800 with the latest ball out, there are a dozen ready and willing to make that purchase the night after league.  It's very evident, ask any of the pro shops.  Whoever shoots 300, whatever night of the week, I have 10 calls and inquiries the next morning about the ball they shot it with (how much it costs, how much it hooks, and when will we have it).  These staffers may not be selling balls to us, but it looks impressive to the 160-170 avg women and 180 avg guys that bowl 1-2 nights a week that are looking for something to buy to "improve" their game.  I don't consider myself a good bowler at all, but I know a thing or two about ball reaction and how to acheive it.  Just after throwing 2 or 3 in a row in league with a new ball I get questions on "what ball is that/who makes that/how is that drilled".  The answer that I give could be the difference in making a sale or two extra for the week versus none.

It almost seems like some people would rather have the title of "staff" than all that actually comes with it.  On a merit and knowledge based system, there are always going to be better choices anywhere you go, but knowledge these days and good bowlers come a dime a dozen.  It's not about that anymore.  Who you know, and what shop you work for (and if they are big enough to generate enough sales to help out the company that is comp'ing them 10 free balls a year), is going to be the primary indicator on who will get these little advisory and pro shop contracts that are thrown out here and there.  The amatuer/regional staff spots are more merit based and chosen around the beginning of the calendar year and winter seasonal year.  It's then when companies go through a pool of people with the accomplishments and good enough names to warrant them a good image in an area with a large bowling population.  Even then, it is hard and a very slim chance you'd get picked if you weren't persistent enough and didn't get your name out to these reps and people in charge of selecting staff.  I was told awhile ago, if there isn't at least 6-8 people with the company that know you on a first name basis, then don't hold your breath on being looked at.  Driving sales are these rep's number one goals, looking for staffers isn't.  

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Re: Who you representing? aka phony balony ball deals
« Reply #54 on: December 12, 2007, 09:51:06 PM »
LAstrikesAlot and dpunky said it best, doesnt really matter if they are that good or not.  But staffers should know how balls the company that they represent reacts and in order for that to happen, they need to be out bowling on a variety of conditions, whether they are successful or not is a minor point in determining, (in my opinion) who companies should want on staff.

DP3,

you are saying exactly my point, its all about who you know and what connections you have to the company that will get you on and thats kinda sad, but like you stated, guys with 230+ avg are a dime a dozen.
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Re: Who you representing? aka phony balony ball deals
« Reply #55 on: December 13, 2007, 07:26:46 AM »
Though some may think this thread is "hatin" on the folks with deals, I don't see it that way at all. This thread to me, is about what companies look for versus what we as individuals think a company should look for when determining staffers. Its not meant to bash anyone that currently has a deal either. That being said, props to Jeff for another great thread for folks to share their thoughts.

I know I know, I date him so its only natural that I give him a shout out. But seriously, good topic Jeff and keep them coming.
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Re: Who you representing? aka phony balony ball deals
« Reply #56 on: December 13, 2007, 02:26:54 PM »
Just out of curiosity,when was the last time a ball staffer tried to get you to try/buy their company's ball.  In my case, the next time will be the first.  Of course, I am just a THB who bowls maybe 3-4 tournaments a year (to quote Dirty Harry: "A man has to know his limitations."

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« Reply #57 on: December 19, 2007, 10:52:08 AM »
What up Bill! That's a point highly not touched upon by anyone. I will give credit to some who talk to people about trying some of their respective companies pieces. Most of the guys are in for the quote n quote free stuff or the $50-75 a ball quite a few of them are paying.

For those on staff, that's is exactly what the company wants you doing!
#1 Wear a logo shirt so that people know what you are throwing
#2 SELL SELL SELL their product

If you are not doing that, you are not honoring the business agreement in place.
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« Reply #58 on: December 19, 2007, 02:12:18 PM »
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