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Who you representing? aka phony balony ball deals
« on: December 06, 2007, 03:10:05 AM »
My man Mr. Ripples commented once, there sure are a lot of people in your area on staff. After learning of some people on staff thanks to a certain pro shop owner demanding they be signed.

Why do companies sign people without ACCOMPLISHMENTS to justify why they are on staff. Please don't tell me that someone with no bowling knowledge but works in the pro shop is enough to be on staff. If I am wrong then tell me!

Don't say because I work at a pro shop, I can influence sales. When Joe Bowler comes to buy a ball, you better sell them whatever keeps the lights on in the shop, I know all about the business.
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Re: Who you representing? aka phony balony ball deals
« Reply #1 on: December 06, 2007, 12:09:36 PM »
This is one of those, "You have to be here to understand" posts.  LOL


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Re: Who you representing? aka phony balony ball deals
« Reply #2 on: December 06, 2007, 12:52:10 PM »
I agree with Straight Ball.  Alot of these folks that you see on staff barely do local or any tournaments and especially not successfully and some barely do league.

Some of these Squatters Rights Staffers are making these good balls look really bad.  Does a bowling resume mean anything?  Shoot, half of these people cant even say, League Champion in their profile let alone Tournament Champion.

We are not even gonna speak on those who lie about being on Staff because they can go to an embroidery shop and have Storm put on a Kohl's Shirt....LMAO
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Re: Who you representing? aka phony balony ball deals
« Reply #3 on: December 06, 2007, 03:40:06 PM »
Yvette,
Any place I can find some results from your Dec. 2 tournament?

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Re: Who you representing? aka phony balony ball deals
« Reply #4 on: December 06, 2007, 04:03:43 PM »
Ive oftened wondered how some guys, who never really did much, get on and then continue not to do anything for that company, and stay on and ive came to one conclusion...

Its not how good (or in some cases bad) you are, its who you know!  and thats really what it comes down to.  If it went on bowling ability and accomplishments, there'd be a handful of the area guys that wouldnt be representing anyone!

(maybe one day ill be good enough:cool)
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Re: Who you representing? aka phony balony ball deals
« Reply #5 on: December 06, 2007, 05:04:24 PM »
VA/MD/PA area

There are alot of guys here that are on staff for various reasons, but whats sad is very few of those reasons have to do with bowling ability.  Some are because of proshops (which i still dont get because i run a center in front royal and i cant remember ever selling a ball because it looks good in my hands), but most of the contracts given out, at least in this area are because of who you know.  I am in no way saying these guys shouldnt sign the contracts, theyd be dumb not to, MSB is saying why are the companies giving them to these guys?  Im not bragging at all but if it went on bowling ability and accomplishments, i think i might get a vote or 2 to get on someones staff, but have never been approached by a company.  A couple guys tried to get me on roto-grip but i dont even think i got looked at, but im fine with that, but it does get a lil frustrating sometimes knowing a guy that can't lace my shoes has a contract and gets free stuff and i have to go bust my azz at work and bowling to buy new equipment.

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Re: Who you representing? aka phony balony ball deals
« Reply #6 on: December 07, 2007, 04:27:29 AM »
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We are not even gonna speak on those who lie about being on Staff because they can go to an embroidery shop and have Storm put on a Kohl's Shirt....LMAO
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Yvette, are you saying that anyone who wears a manufactures name/logo on their shirt wants you to think they are on that companies staff?  I don't think that's the case, a lot of bowlers wear logo shirts because they can, not because they want you to think they are on someone's staff.


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Re: Who you representing? aka phony balony ball deals
« Reply #7 on: December 07, 2007, 09:31:45 AM »
Mike,

You should not have much of a problem getting on a staff if YOU choose to. They are NOT coming to look for you, YOU look for them. It is getting like getting a "job". You have to apply for it. Send a company of your choice your bowling resume. Your tournament victories, # of 300's and 800's you have in sanctioned competition, other bowling accomplishments.....and in your position of being a Manager of a bowling center and respected bowler, you do have a plus in being able to influence sales. Let the ball company know how you can push their product, generate extra sales and you would almost be a shoe in with out your bowling accomplishment.

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« Reply #8 on: December 07, 2007, 10:45:27 AM »
Maybe that last part was not worded in the best way and it was not a general statement for the entire bowling community, it was directed to Mike L, who would be a 180 player if it were a 7 frame game.......but when you think about it, no, to the ball company, that is not of the problem. Again, it is a "job". That job of yours is to preform with the equipment and to give the equipment exposure. It is a "sales job", not just a reward, and if you push product, that is what the company wants. If this person can push 100units of the latest line and those customers are happy and it becomes 130 units on the next line because the purchasers were happy the first time around, then that person is doing their "job". There are many different levels of staff contracts, and at this level, this isnt unlimited free equipment. It may be 1 free of the new line or even at a greatly reduced cost.

Now to the jealous player who has no ball contract and does not have the means to push product, yes, that is part of the problem. If all you can do is go to a ball company and say I got 12 300's and 4 800's and won a local scratch tourney last week, what is that doing for the ball company? In today's enviornment, that person is a dime a dozen.

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Edited on 12/7/2007 11:47 AM

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Re: Who you representing? aka phony balony ball deals
« Reply #9 on: December 07, 2007, 10:45:45 AM »
The one thing about ball companies is that they tend to have a handful of different staff options.  Some are proshop staff, advisory staff, amateur staff, international staff, and professional staff.

I could name a half-a-dozen people on various staffs in our DC/MD/VA area....

To answer Mr. Baker's question -- I represent BANGER BOWLING.
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    « Reply #10 on: December 07, 2007, 09:08:10 PM »
    wabullets,

    Ok now ive sent it out to storm, ebonite, and roto-grip and all said the same exact thing, not at this time and i sent them in december when contracts run out.  Now say i knew someone that had a influence on who got signed then maybe id be on, and thats my whole point, ITS WHO YOU KNOW NOT HOW GOOD YOU ARE!

    And you are absolutely correct, it is like a job.  Now lets say 2 equal candidates apply and one has a lil more skills, but the other ones best friend works for that company, who do you think is gonna get that job?  99/100 will goto the underskilled individual.

    Trust me it doesnt bother me at all not to be on, as a matter of fact in this day of technology too many companies make good pieces to actually be limited to throw only certain stuff, it just makes you wonder why and how some guys are on staff, no matter if its advisory, amateur, test, or any other type of staff
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    « Reply #11 on: December 07, 2007, 10:32:44 PM »
    Drill for a guru and the world can be yours.  There I said it.  More power to the guys on staff.  Maybe their new found positions will make them make some progress in the industry and make themselves and others want to take their games to the next level competition wise.
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    Re: Who you representing? aka phony balony ball deals
    « Reply #12 on: December 08, 2007, 09:25:02 PM »
    quote:
    If someone really wants to be on a staff, can't they pay Banger bowling to put them on their Amateur staff?  


    That's funny!
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    « Reply #13 on: December 08, 2007, 09:45:04 PM »
    I would love to be on a staff.  But, I only average in the low 200s.  As for intergrity, I have that.   Many bowlers, even ones with higer averages ask for my take on equipment.  But to be honest that isn't going to get me on a staff.

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    « Reply #14 on: December 08, 2007, 09:47:56 PM »
    Staff affiliation today has leaned more towards product sales than personal achievements. Trust me, I know for a fact!
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