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General Category => Online Proshops => Topic started by: AlonzoHarris on March 21, 2017, 02:29:58 PM
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I have a hunch that the "Top Sellers" lists on bb.com are skewed.
#1 ball is the Pyramid Pathogen X....ok maybe nothing major here at a glance but If I remember correctly, the #1 spot has been a Pyramid ball forever.
All top 10 bowling ball bags are Pyramid brand...really....
All top 10 shoes are Pyramid minus #8 spot for Dexter Mens Ricky III....hmm...
23/30 spots on the 3 top 10 lists are Pyramid brand. Speculation here but does seem skewed.
Now, why do it? Well easy marketing of course. If people see something as a top seller, most people will say "oh it has to be good as everyone else is buying it."
Not knocking Pyramid products quality in any way...just stating an observation.
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Push the products you make 100% on and have a warehouse full of or the products you make 15% on. Not a very tough business decision.
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Push the products you make 100% on and have a warehouse full of or the products you make 15% on. Not a very tough business decision.
Right, I definitely see the angle to it. Just misleading to the general public.
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+1 to Alonzo. Definitely misleading...
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There aren't any sites that I know of that don't use that space to either push their own product or are paid in some form for those spots.
No different than Google.
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I'm sure I'm wrong here, but what if that ball truly is their number one seller. I mean, I'm sure that it's not but who knows. I can imagine that a lot of people scoop up the Pyramid balls/shoes/bags because of their prices. I've had good luck ordering from them in the past and I know that they have good customer service, but it would be nice to know what really is their top seller's in each category.
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There aren't any sites that I know of that don't use that space to either push their own product or are paid in some form for those spots.
No different than Google.
The difference I see from a Google space ad is that this is supposedly a list backed by actual data. It's not just saying, here's our products. It's supposedly telling us this is a top 10 list based on something quantifiable.
Now the ads on the sides and top that picture a product, alright, advertise the product and get the image in front of us. But to act like you have a valid list to show us is another thing in my book.
I'm not going to lose sleep over it but I feel the way they deliver it to us is a bit of a knock on integrity.
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I kinda agree with Jman. The amount of money you'd save on say a high end ball when you consider paying for the drilling anyways isn't that much. Personally I'm lucky that the pro shop on the naval base here doesn't have an out the door price above $210 on any ball so it'd cost more for me buy one from bowlingball.com and pay to have it drilled. But even then, say a high end ball at your local shop is $240, even if that shop charges $50 to drill, you'd be spending say $220 to order the ball, wait a week, then pay to have it drilled. Might as well spend the extra $20, and the most you'd have to wait is a day. I doubt many people are buying balls online then having them drilled, at least with new model.
I'd imagine most of the ball buying on the internet is discontinued balls. I doubt bowlingball.com or any site is gonna list a discontinued ball as a best seller.
As for pyramid, as far as I know that's the only way to buy them. I haven't seen any in stores. But most people see a cheap priced new ball and wanna give it a try, especially guys who drill their own stuff. I wouldn't doubt at all that they're stuff is the most popular stuff, mostly cuz you can buy other stuff elsewhere
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I'm sure I'm wrong here, but what if that ball truly is their number one seller. I mean, I'm sure that it's not but who knows. I can imagine that a lot of people scoop up the Pyramid balls/shoes/bags because of their prices. I've had good luck ordering from them in the past and I know that they have good customer service, but it would be nice to know what really is their top seller's in each category.
I don't doubt some of them probably did make the list. They do have some good prices and it sounds like their balls have good feedback. I too would like to see a legit list. I love lists and charts but I'm weird like that I guess.
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It's the only way to buy Pyramid because it is bowlingball.com's house brand. I'm sure they also have them in the pro shops owned by bowlingball.com in Florida.
You couldn't be more wrong about most of the ball buying on the internet being closeouts.
You are never going to see a true list. It gives the competition some insight on their business. There is no chance they are sending out more of a certain Pyramid ball than the latest Storm or Hammer release.
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It's the only way to buy Pyramid because it is bowlingball.com's house brand. I'm sure they also have them in the pro shops owned by bowlingball.com in Florida.
You couldn't be more wrong about most of the ball buying on the internet being closeouts.
You are never going to see a true list. It gives the competition some insight on their business. There is no chance they are sending out more of a certain Pyramid ball than the latest Storm or Hammer release.
Was just a hypothesis but I can't imagine that unless you're drilling your own stuff, it's more worth it to buy a non-closeout ball online then paying a pro shop full drill price as opposed to just buying it from the pro shop itself and having it drilled
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I can personally say that Ive had more success with Pyramids than anything else out there. Now why? I cant honestly say. Maybe the covers aren't overly sensitive. I think ABS makes the balls for bowlingball.com so Im thinking that the overseas balls are weaker then the covers for the States. With that being said, I havent seen any ball death yet, i hear about it after about 40-50 gms but i hear that about the bigger brands too so i guess it really comes down to price and ROI. Its simple, if you get into 4 brackets, and happen to win all 4, you have profited $80 and paid for the ball and the rest is cheese. And yes, i do drill my own stuff.
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Michael
As for purchasing at the shop rather than purchasing online and then paying full drill price....
When I lived in St Louis (2 years ago) the prominent shop in the area charged $250 out the door for a high end ball...like the Guru at the time, Zero Gravity, etc.
I could purchase the ball online with shipping for $160, pay full drill price of $50 plus $25 for grips and slug and be out the door $25 cheaper than buying it at the shop.
Of course, the follow-up, what happens if the ball cracks, etc is worth way more than the $25 I would have saved, but to some folks, they only see dollar amounts and $25 is $25 any way you cut it.
That may not be how it is in your area, or many areas, but sometimes it can be cheaper in certain areas to go the online route.
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There are plus and minuses when going the online route. I've been going the online route since one of the posters on this thread left town. He's always done a fantastic job and even corrected some balls that were messed up by local PSO in town.
I go to buddies now for several years and they've down 100% perfect jobs on all the balls I had ordered. From traditional thumbs to IT thumbs, span and pitches cut @ 100% accuracy.
It's hard to beat, accurate drilling, $25 to drill, and free shipping? If I were to get a Code Black or Timeless, that's <$200....
the down side, (which I haven't experienced yet) is what wowzers had mentioned. Fortunately, I have my little work bench/tools for bowling ball work, and for major fixes like a cracked thumb hole, $5-$10 or starbucks is all it cost me to have it repaired.
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There are plus and minuses when going the online route. I've been going the online route since one of the posters on this thread left town. He's always done a fantastic job and even corrected some balls that were messed up by local PSO in town.
I go to buddies now for several years and they've down 100% perfect jobs on all the balls I had ordered. From traditional thumbs to IT thumbs, span and pitches cut @ 100% accuracy.
It's hard to beat, accurate drilling, $25 to drill, and free shipping? If I were to get a Code Black or Timeless, that's <$200....
the down side, (which I haven't experienced yet) is what wowzers had mentioned. Fortunately, I have my little work bench/tools for bowling ball work, and for major fixes like a cracked thumb hole, $5-$10 or starbucks is all it cost me to have it repaired.
So, my fingers are conventional, and I use the VISE IT system. So if I wanted Buddies to drill me ball with just my fingers, and a VISE inner sleeve, it'd $25?!
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Sadly this is standard practice for many if not most sites. One highly respected music instrument site that I use populates the list by pulling instruments from your stored wish list.
I have to say, in all other respects I'm happy with bowlingball.com. By the way, I had no idea that Pyramid was there house brand. Guess that is why I could not find them at my local shop. :)
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I think it's a fraud. There's no way that many pyramids sell.
Anyways.... The pathogen is legit as all get out. FYI. Don't hesitate to try that one if you ever need a flippy solid that really turns heads.
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I think it's a fraud. There's no way that many pyramids sell.
Anyways.... The pathogen is legit as all get out. FYI. Don't hesitate to try that one if you ever need a flippy solid that really turns heads.
Always wanted to try the Blueprint and the Pathogens. Might have to try them now!
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I think it's a fraud. There's no way that many pyramids sell.
Anyways.... The pathogen is legit as all get out. FYI. Don't hesitate to try that one if you ever need a flippy solid that really turns heads.
Always wanted to try the Blueprint and the Pathogens. Might have to try them now!
It's worth the $85 price. I have a 300/800 and plenty 279s raking in the 2nd/3rd game bracket wins 😎😎
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Yep love my Path and Path Rising. Also bowlingball.com has great service and the best ball filter parameters imo. Wouldn’t hestitate to recommend both. Also with that new $80 urethane ball would recommend that as someone first or only urethane option. Still yes bowling.com provides this site so be sure to throw business their way as well.