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billdozer

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Anyone see "Worxshop" as a new brand of balls coming out.
« on: April 08, 2018, 10:38:35 AM »
Haven't seen any cores, or any info. It looks based on information I saw to be an EBI product.

My only issue is theyre all the same color. They all look like loaded revolvers/more cash....blue and purple-y. 

For that reason alone I don't see em selling. Too many bowlers go for shelf appeal....plain and simple.
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Re: Anyone see "Worxshop" as a new brand of balls coming out.
« Reply #31 on: April 09, 2018, 02:33:14 PM »
I hope people realize that if they were to pledge to a pre-order before the manufacturing process that they could be waiting up to 6 months or so to get the said balls depending on the manufacturing schedule of the company that they are white-labeling balls from. With overseas demand at an all time high there's a ton of balls in every manufacturers production schedule that needs to be fulfilled.

I don't mean to be a pessimist, but but in today's "now economy", this type of business model doesn't seem like it has legs for longevity, but I do see bigger companies that can lose money up front to earn brand loyalty maybe making custom batch balls like Nike does with NikeID. I pitched this idea to Chad Murphy once at a demo day like ten years ago and he looked at me like I told him 2+2=7.

If a company had say 3 covers to choose from and 3 cores to start, with 8 colors or so and the ability to go solid 1 color or 2 colors for an additional fee. You would get a lot of people who had deep enough pokets that would pay for a $400-500 custom performance ball that was USBC certified. Add 2-4 weeks for delivery and you have the Nike ID model in full effect.

It is cool to see a company with progressive ideas but Worxshop seems like they need a lot of funding in order to even get the ball rolling, then will have to deal with a lot of money returned to those who pre-ordered a release that didn't get picked in voting.
« Last Edit: April 09, 2018, 03:44:47 PM by DP3 »

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Re: Anyone see "Worxshop" as a new brand of balls coming out.
« Reply #32 on: April 13, 2018, 07:21:53 AM »
Bill, Thanks for noticing and talking about WorXshop Bowling.  As the Co-Owner of WorXshop, I can answer any questions that you or anyone has.  Core pics are forthcoming.

Yes, all three balls have royal purple as the primary color and then a different minor color depending on what choice you choose. 

This business model has been used successfully in other industries, I flipped it a little and decided to invest in it.  Look forward to the questions!

Paul
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Re: Anyone see "Worxshop" as a new brand of balls coming out.
« Reply #33 on: April 13, 2018, 07:31:06 AM »
I wont get too attached, but I am all for trying to help a business get started. I am a little concerned about their approach to releasing future bowling balls, however. The way I understand it, they are going to spend the R&D to develop X number of bowling balls, which for this discussion, I will say 3 as that is a good number. Possibly just 2 for a company starting up, but I am going with 3 anyway since they are releasing 3 to start out. anyway, after they develop these, they produce a sample of each ball and make a video. then they open up a vote via "pre ordering" the balls. The winning ball goes into full production while the others are only produced in the pre ordered quantity if the person decides they still want the ball. To me, and it isnt my business nor is it my call, this seems like a lot of R&D down the drain. To design a ball that meets your expectations through what i am assuming is a fair bit of trial and error, only to not mass produce it and get your money back... that seems like a loss of resources.

Also, a majority of bowlers do not understand ball motion. They want the biggest hooking oil monster or the biggest backending ball they can find. these bowlers probably wouldnt be the ones voting, but it still could influence the vote. I mean, who wants a nice middle to low end control piece over something else?

Thanks for the feedback, I have a significant background in R&D so in reality, I'm just wasting my time if it doesn't work out.  Like you, I am concerned that people will just choose the strongest ball option, however through initial testing my testers actually prefer our Classic option, Failsafe by a ton.  The angular choice, Pop!, is probably the strongest symmetrical pearl ball on the market today. 

The model is that the ball with the highest amount of pre-orders gets made, however if a choice shows significant numbers, I might make that one as well.  Once the production runs are done, then it will take 6-8 weeks for you to get the ball.  Right now, I think the buying period will close in early June, but its too soon to say.  All balls will be approved for USBC use. 

But let's say your choice isn't chosen as a ball that goes into production, you have three options: 1) A full refund, 2) A future WorXshop Bowling cycle choice, or 3) A ball that will be made in that current cycle.

Paul
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Re: Anyone see "Worxshop" as a new brand of balls coming out.
« Reply #34 on: April 13, 2018, 07:40:48 AM »
Oooooohhhhh, I didn't know that was Ridenour.  Might retract my statements then.  I'm not a fan of the marketing, so I'm still on the fence, but I didn't realize that's who was running it.  Equipment should be good at least.  Marketing is crucial though, especially in a consumer market where what the ball looks like and what the name is are the two most important things, and I'm not seeing anything really competitive here. 

Paul Ridenour that is running the company has a long history with USBC ball testing, and a close relationship with Mo Pinel, very intelligent person. Be interesting if they can become any more than a niche company, doesn't seem like a lot of room for new companies in my opinion. Storm has been consistently putting out great equipment, EBI and Motiv have gotten much better again, and due to a strong staff and regional rep Big B is showing up on racks again in my area.

Yup.  It's me doing WorXshop Bowling.  I totally agree that marketing is important, and that's why I put my wife in charge of it.  She's a marketing professional and amazing at it.

I honestly hope that WorXshop moves from a niche company to an interesting concept company, however I'm not trying to compete with the Storm, Brunswick, and EBIs of the world. We are exactly who we say we are a crowd-sourced, limited edition bowling ball company with a lot of know-how and a little sass.   
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Re: Anyone see "Worxshop" as a new brand of balls coming out.
« Reply #35 on: April 13, 2018, 11:02:41 AM »
I've been on BR since 2000 and PurduePaul has been a reputable contributor here for as long as I remember. Best of luck with your venture.

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« Reply #36 on: April 13, 2018, 11:54:00 AM »
I've been on BR since 2000 and PurduePaul has been a reputable contributor here for as long as I remember. Best of luck with your venture.

Yes I remember the name! How awesome!

It's much better hearing from the source!
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Re: Anyone see "Worxshop" as a new brand of balls coming out.
« Reply #37 on: April 13, 2018, 12:03:57 PM »
Yup Iíve been a member of BR since 2002, worked at the USBC from 2006-2009, and am all around pretty swell.  Wanted to do something different in the industry and make great products for league bowlers.

Paul
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Re: Anyone see "Worxshop" as a new brand of balls coming out.
« Reply #38 on: April 13, 2018, 02:03:00 PM »
Yup Iíve been a member of BR since 2002, worked at the USBC from 2006-2009, and am all around pretty swell.  Wanted to do something different in the industry and make great products for league bowlers.

Paul

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Re: Anyone see "Worxshop" as a new brand of balls coming out.
« Reply #39 on: April 14, 2018, 01:23:43 AM »
I remember the user Purduepaul.  I lurked here for a year or two before registering in 2002.  One of those I held in high regard when he was posting.  Wonder if he was posting on the old a.s.b. or whatever it was called back then? 
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« Reply #40 on: April 14, 2018, 09:01:07 AM »
No, I think I started right after the switch, but then again it was only sixteen years ago.
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« Reply #41 on: April 15, 2018, 12:57:49 AM »
I meant that some of the early posters here also had been or were posting on the newsgroup alt.sport.bowling (a.s.b) and as that became less popular, more moved here or onto the pba or bowl.com forums.  I was wondering if you were one of the posters on that newsgroup?
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Re: Anyone see "Worxshop" as a new brand of balls coming out.
« Reply #42 on: April 15, 2018, 01:27:01 AM »
I meant that some of the early posters here also had been or were posting on the newsgroup alt.sport.bowling (a.s.b) and as that became less popular, more moved here or onto the pba or bowl.com forums.  I was wondering if you were one of the posters on that newsgroup?

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Re: Anyone see "Worxshop" as a new brand of balls coming out.
« Reply #43 on: April 15, 2018, 12:37:15 PM »
Oh no worries, the web store releases today at 2pm.  We will also be on Facebook live then showing off the balls and some of the motion.
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« Reply #44 on: April 16, 2018, 09:22:13 AM »
The web store is now up and running at worxshopbowling.com!
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Re: Anyone see "Worxshop" as a new brand of balls coming out.
« Reply #45 on: July 18, 2018, 07:59:08 PM »
The 3 balls available are listed here:
https://worxshop-bowling.myshopify.com/

Videos of ball motion for all 3 balls:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c7tKXIyWeuc

Failsafe Video Ball Review:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=os7hecxODeA