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Equipment Boards => Other => Topic started by: ryguy119 on March 05, 2017, 07:05:59 PM
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Yes my arm is turning early. I always thought it was my wrist but after watching video my whole arm is turning early. I hate to put a wrist brace on but I just can't stop turning my arm/wrist early. Need to stay behind the ball and stop coming over the top. Looking for a wrist device (if there even is one) to help me stay behind the ball. Thanks
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A wrist device won't stop you from turning early.
There was a strap that one of the companies put out, that I think was supposed to help.
But other than the picture in the ad I never saw one and I've never heard anymore about it. (I don't remember the name of it)
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Unfortunately a wrist brace won't stop this.
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Buddies sells a device from Robbies called a restrictor that is supposed to help with this problem.
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The Robby restrictor does work. It feels a little weird when you first put it on because it is doing it's job as designed. You need to practice with it for awhile until muscle memory sets in. Then you should be good to go without it. If you slip back, then practice some more with it until you don't come over the top of the ball without it.
I believe Buddie's has it on sale for $19.99. It's worth the price as a training tool.
Good Luck to you.
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Thank you. Appreciate all your feedback.
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Bowling band aid for $19.99........
Getting coached, seeing where the problem(s) is/are for why your arm is turning early, is far better than a damn brace.
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Xray have you tried the restrictor? It does help stop the tendency to top the ball through muscle memory. It is just a simple means to an end result at an affordable price. Simply a place to start to try to correct the problem.
If it doesn't do the trick then yes, perhaps professional coaching is the next step, considering a good coach is available to the OP.
Coaching is an answer, but not the only answer to many of bowling physical complex issues that sometimes can be solved through simple means. I know it worked for me and that's why I posted to try to help the OP with a place to start.
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The Robbies Restrictor thats the one I was thinkng of.
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Yes my arm is turning early. I always thought it was my wrist but after watching video my whole arm is turning early. I hate to put a wrist brace on but I just can't stop turning my arm/wrist early. Need to stay behind the ball and stop coming over the top. Looking for a wrist device (if there even is one) to help me stay behind the ball. Thanks
Not sure if this will be of any help, but I often do this and have found that turning the ball early is often a mental/confidence issue. Your mind and body really don't believe that the ball will hook the way you want or the way you think it should. The result is you try to help it by starting your hand far too early, instead of the hand staying behind the ball until the release point.
One of the tricks I use when I find myself doing this is to try to roll the ball flat with my fingers at 6/6:30 all the way through from push off to release. Of course the ball still hooks because all strike balls are drilled to hook. Watching it helps you to believe and gives you the confidence to know it will hook.
Maybe also knowing that turning the ball early never helps; in fact, it hinders the roll of the ball and the leverage you should be getting at the release point
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Just a suggestion try and release as if throwing a back up ball this can minimize over rotation
This idea helps I've tried.
Here's from a post to go along with this.
A bowler was having similar problem with over rotation as you can see here:
(https://www.ballreviews.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fs5.postimg.org%2Fl7gu1chhj%2Foverroation2.jpg&hash=233864492ead06f62d101a0fb25ffb6c9f8f8d59)
This is was part of the reply they got on how to stop it.
"What you have stumbled on is a situation where your conscious and sub-conscious are effectively fighting each other in order to arrive a a mid point, in this case, a proper hand position and rotation.
To explain:
When you bowl normally, (ie rotating too early) it feels, to you, like you ARE behind the ball!. Therefore when you try to stay behind the ball, you are feeling like you are staying behind the ball when you are in fact over rotating.
To fix this you need to feel like you are throwing a back up ball.
What this does is create a conflict between your sub-conscious mind (which is under the erroneous assumption that you are going to send the ball into the right hand gutter) and your conscious mind (which knows you have almost no chance of doing this.) The conflict between the two areas of your mind end up causing your body to find the mid point between over rotating and backing the ball up, ie, staying behind the ball until your thumb exits and then creating the type of rotation you described above.
Putting it simply, to fix a chronic problem, you attempt to make the opposite error and your mind/body almost invariably find the mid point, that being your intended execution. I know it sounds a bit "Mad Scientist Weekly", but it works in the vast majority of cases."
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Xray have you tried the restrictor? It does help stop the tendency to top the ball through muscle memory. It is just a simple means to an end result at an affordable price. Simply a place to start to try to correct the problem.
If it doesn't do the trick then yes, perhaps professional coaching is the next step, considering a good coach is available to the OP.
Coaching is an answer, but not the only answer to many of bowling physical complex issues that sometimes can be solved through simple means. I know it worked for me and that's why I posted to try to help the OP with a place to start.
Never used it. but it looks like it restricts the wrist as well....
Finding out the source of the problem is key. From the time he puts his fingers into the ball to the time he releases the ball, so many things can cause him to over topping the ball. Or turn the hand early. There are many "hinges" or moving parts in the upper extremity (fingers to shoulder) that can move independently from each other. The body some times will try to compensate when parts of the unit is compromised or restricted. If the hand and wrist are restricted from turning, the elbow and/or shoulder may decide to bump out.
Also, the approach that we take, from 3 step to 7 steps, here the moving body is a moving fulcrum. Many things can go wrong. For example: If a single wrong movement in this fulcrum moves in a certain way (head/upper body moving up and down and up again) or in the wrong time (dipping shoulder or hips during the approach too early), this can disrupt the pivot joint (shoulder) which can cause deviation in the swing thus cause issue with his release.
Then there is the base of the Fulcrum, the lower extremities. If the footwork is off, so will everything else. The strength and the foundation of the bowling approach are the lower extremities. Common cause for swing direction problems is that bowlers may not be crossing over to clear the leg/hip for the arm to swing in a consistent back and forth direction - or in the swing slot.
Finally, the brain. The brain can fool us into thinking we are doing things right. The fact that we think so much already, or have our thoughts focused on one particular part of the game, there are voids in the swing where the brain doesn't tell you, or you don't notice/feel that your hand could be turned to the outside of the ball during the back swing or on the down swing. Maybe here, these devices can help, but does it really help? Finding the source(s) of the problem is much beneficial to the bowler in the long term.
These are just a few things that come to mind. I am no coach, but I know a little bit about the anatomy.
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Xray I find no fault with your last post including your statement that you are not a coach and neither am I.
But, professional coaching is not the fix-all for every physical/mental problem that crops up during one's bowling career.
If I took your approach as you have regarding the Robby's Restrictor I would immediately see a doctor for a pricked finger, instead of trying a antibiotic creme with a "band-aid" first.
Robby's products have been around for many years and they are not known for engineering/designing "junk". Their products have helped thousands of bowlers.
I just want the OP to know that there is a device available that may help him with the problem he described. It also helps one to keep their hand behind the ball which was I believe is a recommendation Charlest stated in his post as a possible fix.
Practicing with The Restrictor worked for me and if the OP decides to try it I would hope it would work for him.
Trying a $19.99 (sale price) device in lieu of coaching at $40-$80 per hr., may be an attractive alternative for the OP. If not, then professional coaching as you recommend is always available. The OP has the info and he should decide what approach/advise he wishes to take. I wish him Good Luck in resolving his stated problem.
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If you are turning it early you probably have no leverage, so no device you put on your arm is gonna help.
The person in the pictures above is never going to get his hand behind the ball in that position. Just ain't gonna happen.
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I second this.
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OP stated that his whole arm is turning early.... something significant is happening...
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To a bunch of guys who have never tried the Robby Restrictor.....you all are knowing and to that I say "WHATEVER"! You gentlemen are the residence "EXPERTS". What do I know. I am a poor bowling mortal who tried it and for me it worked.
I guess I should feel grateful that I didn't have to hire a expensive coach to solve the problem. Man am I lucky guy.
Sorry OP you will have to hire a coach. I still wish you well in resolving your stated problem.
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What's the saying? You can put lipstick on a pig.
Unless a person has certain physical limitations any such devices are just a bandaid for bad technique.
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+1 ^^^^^
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There are ways to get coached without spending so much money. There are other sites with coaches that are wiling to help. Just send a video.
http://forum.bowlingchat.net/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=3785
Or you can spend money on the RR like bowlaholic mentioned before finding out if there's a flaw in your game first. You could be lucky like Bowlaholic :D
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Turning the arm early can also be caused by late timing. You may subconsciously pull the ball through the bottom of the swing and roll the arm/wrist over.
A good coach can will see if this is the case immediately, but a possible quick fix is to experiment with a shorter or earlier pushaway and see if it's easier to not 'roll over'.
Hope it works out...