Post by: Sir Bowl-A-Lot on April 14, 2005, 12:47:20 AM
Come on Legends/Lane Masters, I know you like high RG cores since they store more energy and deliver it on impact (which is why they probably hit so hard), but what good is the ball if you can't get it to the pocket without having to square-up all of the time? Not all of us are crankers ya know...
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Post by: JPRLane1 on April 14, 2005, 08:49:30 AM
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Post by: Sir Bowl-A-Lot on April 14, 2005, 08:50:41 AM
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Post by: Brickguy221 on April 14, 2005, 12:28:06 PM
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Post by: Sir Bowl-A-Lot on April 14, 2005, 12:48:29 PM
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The Lane Masters balls won't handle heavy oil here and do so-so in medium heavy unless you have a lot of hand. However they work pretty well on medium light to medium oil where I bowl.
Exactly
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Post by: mrbowlingnut on April 14, 2005, 12:51:21 PM
POlished the ball skids flips hard at about 45-47 feet and then most of the time covers 10-15 boards easy in the remaining 15 feet or so, dull the ball heavy rolls and arcs so surface prep is key here. I have almost exact drills and pin outs and top on both so this is not the issue, try 1000 matte and lower and i will bet you change your mind about the ball and rg rating being high.
The funny part is i also have the Absolute Power reactive and it is a great ball with lighter patterns and it goes even longer and harder backend motion. The absolute and new standard a particle are closer in polished states but the new standard becomes a huge hooking ball on oil in dull condition.
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Post by: Brickguy221 on April 14, 2005, 01:04:09 PM
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Post by: mrbowlingnut on April 14, 2005, 01:27:57 PM
http://www.legendsbowling.com/products.php
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Post by: Sir Bowl-A-Lot on April 14, 2005, 02:07:41 PM
Every Legends/Lane Masters ball I've seen thrown by anyone less than a cranker just lopes down the lane. Maybe it's our house shot. That still doesn't explain why my Fire Quantum, Vendetta Particle, The Thing, The Thing Returns, and Slate Blue Gargoyle all out-react The New Standard while I had it...--------------------
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Post by: omegabowler on April 14, 2005, 02:24:13 PM
you profile says you have med to high speed. did you drill it for length?
did you drill it pin down? were you looking for backend? control of the midlane? thier particle balls play real nice on a THS and do not need help getting through the heads.
I think if you have speed you need to keep the pin down becuse they do get good lope through the heads.
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Post by: Sir Bowl-A-Lot on April 14, 2005, 02:28:01 PM
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Post by: Sir Bowl-A-Lot on April 14, 2005, 03:46:30 PM
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Post by: Brian Pursel on April 14, 2005, 04:06:04 PM
Contrary to some opinions, ball manufacturers do not use the filler material to lower the cost of the product. It is a tool to be able to offer a wider range of RG's and differentials to the consumer.
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Post by: charlest on April 18, 2005, 06:45:00 AM
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Every Legends/Lane Masters ball I've seen thrown by anyone less than a cranker just lopes down the lane. Maybe it's our house shot. That still doesn't explain why my Fire Quantum, Vendetta Particle, The Thing, The Thing Returns, and Slate Blue Gargoyle all out-react The New Standard while I had it...
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Here you've said it yourself.
If you can even use these balls, Fire Quantum, Thing Thing Returns, and especially the Slate Blue Gargoyle, (all of which I've had), you just don't have enough oil to even begin to think about using a New Standard. It's not skidding or loping, it's already grabbed and gone.
The RGs are high because the coverstocks on the New Standard, Yeah Baby! and the Big Kahuna are so strong. Just like Track's GP2, they need the higher RG to achieve usable length.
Post by: Sir Bowl-A-Lot on April 18, 2005, 07:59:02 AM
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Here you've said it yourself.
If you can even use these balls, Fire Quantum, Thing Thing Returns, and especially the Slate Blue Gargoyle, (all of which I've had), you just don't have enough oil to even begin to think about using a New Standard. It's not skidding or loping, it's already grabbed and gone.
The RGs are high because the coverstocks on the New Standard, Yeah Baby! and the Big Kahuna are so strong. Just like Track's GP2, they need the higher RG to achieve usable length.
You left out the Vendetta Particle from your little quote...but I guess that is for dry lanes also eh char?
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Post by: charlest on April 18, 2005, 08:04:49 AM
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Here you've said it yourself.
If you can even use these balls, Fire Quantum, Thing Thing Returns, and especially the Slate Blue Gargoyle, (all of which I've had), you just don't have enough oil to even begin to think about using a New Standard. It's not skidding or loping, it's already grabbed and gone.
The RGs are high because the coverstocks on the New Standard, Yeah Baby! and the Big Kahuna are so strong. Just like Track's GP2, they need the higher RG to achieve usable length.
You left out the Vendetta Particle from your little quote...but I guess that is for dry lanes also eh char?
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Laugh all you want. If you don't want to use it on the right condition, don't. No skin off my back. I and the others here are trying to help you. You don't want it, then fine.
Don't know about your use of the Vendetta Particle. But the exception does prove the rule. If all those other mild pearls and pearl urethanes work, there is no way the New Standard, no less the Yeah Baby!, can work on that light a lane oil.
Post by: Sir Bowl-A-Lot on April 18, 2005, 08:14:23 AM
I had no idea a 41' shot is light oil in which a popular ball of choice in our house is a Hammer Real Deal... Besides, I go through so many bowling balls it's not even funny. I could have listed every single ball I've used in comparison to TNS, but those were the first ones that came to mind. I didn't even mention that I also have a Goliath, Triple Threat, and Icon 300 that I have used on our THS with success. I probably should have stated that earlier so I realize I goofed-up a bit.
All I am saying is that The New Standard did not work nearly as advertised for me. Even fellow bowlers couldn't believe the ball I was throwing was The New Standard because they had read about it too and thought about buying one, that is until they saw mine. I even let my teammate who is a cranker throw it during our 10 minute practice session. Yes it did react more for him than it did for me, but his Phenom was at least 7 or 8 boards stronger.
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Post by: mrbowlingnut on April 18, 2005, 06:28:29 PM
Post by: DP3 on April 18, 2005, 07:24:13 PM
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Post by: bowlitup on April 18, 2005, 07:31:50 PM
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The Garunteed has an RG in the 2.477 range and an amazing diff of .077. It's a sick sick ball. Makes anything I've seen look weak in comparison. Maybe that's why nobody is throwing it. You need the exxon valdez to keep this thing on your side of the pocket.
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Post by: Sir Bowl-A-Lot on April 18, 2005, 07:42:46 PM
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Phenom stronger than New Standard ??? Put 1000 matte like i stated earlier and report back to us.
Isn't an 800 grit dull strong enough? I thought 800 was more aggressive than 1000.
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Post by: Sir Bowl-A-Lot on April 18, 2005, 07:51:15 PM
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The Garunteed has an RG in the 2.477 range and an amazing diff of .077. It's a sick sick ball.
2.477 range
Lane Masters' website has it at 2.61. Have a look for yourself:http://d225652.hostwerx21.adwerx.com/products.php?ball=02
I can see that this post is going nowhere. I just wanted to know why Lane Masters/Legends hasn't released any lower-medium RG balls. I didn't expect this to turn into a slugfest so I am locking this thread.
If you are happy with your Yeah Baby or The New Standard, more power to ya! So far their equipment hasn't impressed me nor several other fellow competent bowlers. With that being said, it will be a long time until I decide to shell out the bucks for another one of their bowling balls.
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