Post by: boondoggle on December 04, 2007, 07:24:20 AM
I've got nearly 10 year old Brunswick (PK18) and Storm (Curelyon) bowling balls that react today like they did when I got them, with little to no maintenance (no cleaning, resurface every 2 to 3 months)
Is it reasonable to expect that kind of longevity out of new coverstocks?
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Post by: Eddie M on December 05, 2007, 06:10:10 PM
I personally have a Lightning Flash which uses the Curelyon coverstock you mentioned. That was an awesome coverstock, and my LF still reacts today like it did when I bought it about 7 or 8 years ago. I would expect the Visionary Ogre covers to last as long as the Storm Curelyon covers.
On the other end of the spectrum, Ebonite covers tend to have a much shorter life expectancy. I don't know if that carries over to the other ball companies that Ebonite owns now though.
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Post by: rene- on December 06, 2007, 02:18:53 AM
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Super Flex is awefully hard to beat.
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i agree on that. i still have an original night hawk with 1000+ games on it that i use every once in a while, is still reacting like on the first day i got it.
Post by: Amazing on December 06, 2007, 04:36:03 AM
No I am not, from what I can tell Brunswick, Ebonite, and Storm are smart because they deal with stupid bowlers. They make equipment just to last long enough that you have to buy a new one if you want that same reaction after 60 games. That is smart. While us dumbazz bowlers buy another one of those garbage balls when they bring out a new ball. We have nobody to blame but us retards who buy that garbage and then whine about it not lasting then, of course we go buy another pos from the same company. One day I will learn to not to piss my money down the drain.
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Post by: J_Mac on December 06, 2007, 04:47:30 AM
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I don't understand everyone says Visionary & Banger, Lane Masters/Legends. But the majority of balls are bought from Brunswick, Ebonite and Storm. Am I missing something?
No I am not, from what I can tell Brunswick, Ebonite, and Storm are smart because they deal with stupid bowlers. They make equipment just to last long enough that you have to buy a new one if you want that same reaction after 60 games. That is smart. While us dumbazz bowlers buy another one of those garbage balls when they bring out a new ball. We have nobody to blame but us retards who buy that garbage and then whine about it not lasting then, of course we go buy another pos from the same company. One day I will learn to not to piss my money down the drain.
Either that or you'll finally learn how to take care of your equipment so it doesn't "die" after 50-60 games
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Post by: Eddie M on December 06, 2007, 06:08:46 AM
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I don't understand everyone says Visionary & Banger, Lane Masters/Legends. But the majority of balls are bought from Brunswick, Ebonite and Storm. Am I missing something?
No I am not, from what I can tell Brunswick, Ebonite, and Storm are smart because they deal with stupid bowlers. They make equipment just to last long enough that you have to buy a new one if you want that same reaction after 60 games. That is smart. While us dumbazz bowlers buy another one of those garbage balls when they bring out a new ball. We have nobody to blame but us retards who buy that garbage and then whine about it not lasting then, of course we go buy another pos from the same company. One day I will learn to not to piss my money down the drain.
Either that or you'll finally learn how to take care of your equipment so it doesn't "die" after 50-60 games
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Or you'll buy a ball that doesn't require retarded amounts of maintenance just to extent it's life out to a few hundred games. I am a lazy bowler. The only time I will clean a bowling ball is when I am getting the surface adjusted. Balls with temperamental covers are not for me. I am sure there are many out there who will echo that sentiment. Why should you pay $200 to buy and drill a ball that is going to need to constant attention, and will still die early. When you could pay $200 for a ball that could care less how you treat it, and will last much longer. I know which way my lazy a** is going to choose.
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Post by: abrown on December 19, 2007, 12:17:27 PM
Post by: Krumpy300 on December 19, 2007, 12:20:02 PM
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Visionary has a good coverstock. I've seen many of the balls they made in their early years are holding up well and still performing.
Dynothane during the Cardinale years also are very durable. I've seen Vendettas used for years in multiple leagues that look virtually new. Some of these are still available. Two new Dynothane balls have just been recently posted at their website. Wether or not Ebonite will retain the durability factor remains to be seen.
It's early to make an appraisal of durability but I am using a 900 Global Creature since they became available this fall. So far the ball has no track marks or dings of any kind.
I was waiting for someone to mention the Dynothane Soaker cover...
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Post by: 102101 on December 19, 2007, 01:07:35 PM
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Post by: shelley on December 19, 2007, 01:58:18 PM
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Dynothane during the Cardinale years also are very durable. I've seen Vendettas used for years in multiple leagues that look virtually new. Some of these are still available. Two new Dynothane balls have just been recently posted at their website. Wether or not Ebonite will retain the durability factor remains to be seen.
The Soaker technology is Phil's baby, it is not a Dynothane thing. I'd expect the new Dyno to follow the current Ebonite philosophy of high-maintenance, great-reaction-while-it-lasts covers.
I love my Dynos, I've got a Thing Lives with many hundreds of games on it and an Energy with a somewhat smaller amount of hundreds of games on it.
I thought the S-series covers on the Creature and Break were Soakers.
SH
Post by: Raven829 on December 19, 2007, 08:53:22 PM
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I thought the S-series covers on the Creature and Break were Soakers.
SH
That is what I thought too. Not that I really care what it is; I just know that the covers on both my Breaks are tremendous. No tracking and INCREDIBLY receptive to adjustments.
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Post by: sdbowler on December 19, 2007, 08:59:00 PM
Any company will have a coverstock that just won't keep it's life. From what I have seen I would say Brunswick is the best. Now with that being said I have not seen any Legends or Lanemaster stuff. Have not really seen much Visionary as well.
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Post by: charlest on December 19, 2007, 09:02:55 PM
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I thought the S-series covers on the Creature and Break were Soakers.
SH
Eric said here (on BR.com) that the Breaker is Storm's R2S coverstock. I remembered and wrote that down.
Creature S40 is, as far as I know, Superflex solid/pearl combo.
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Post by: charlest on December 19, 2007, 09:32:39 PM
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Post by: tenpin on December 20, 2007, 05:41:54 AM
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This has already been laid to rest and now it jumps back up. The Break is not a Storm coverstock. Storm poured the first Breaks with Globals resins not Storms. Now Global has poured their own batch of Breaks due to selling out of the first batch.
Yes the Creature is a SuperFlex cover I believe with a few tweaks to it.
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Post by: Raven829 on December 20, 2007, 10:34:37 AM
I think some of the confusion is because we still don't know what cover is on the Break, other than it is called s70 and is 900 Global's own. We can associate s40 with Superflex, but there's nothing to compare s70 to. Is it Soaker or something completely new? Whatever it is, it is possibly the best cover on the market right now.
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Post by: tenpin on December 20, 2007, 10:59:36 AM
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Post by: charlest on December 20, 2007, 11:21:28 AM
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Eric said here (on BR.com) that the Breaker is Storm's R2S coverstock. I remembered and wrote that down.
Edited on 12/19/2007 10:03 PM
This has already been laid to rest and now it jumps back up. The Break is not a Storm coverstock. Storm poured the first Breaks with Globals resins not Storms. Now Global has poured their own batch of Breaks due to selling out of the first batch.
Yes the Creature is a SuperFlex cover I believe with a few tweaks to it.
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Thanks for correcting me. I don't want to pass on bad information, but ...
How was it laid to rest? I did not see that post.
Did Eric tell someone he was lying? He works for 900Global; it's still a very small company. I mean I wonder how could he not know, especially since he came on here and posted it. he must have bene fairly confident that he was correct, AT THAT TIME.
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Post by: newguy on December 20, 2007, 11:26:12 AM
Post by: tenpin on December 20, 2007, 11:46:25 AM
No I hope that everyone that thinks it is a storm resin can write that down so they now know what we already knew. It is 900Globals formula.
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Post by: charlest on December 20, 2007, 03:03:12 PM
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Thanks Phil,
No I hope that everyone that thinks it is a storm resin can write that down so they now know what we already knew. It is 900Globals formula.
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OK, already, I surrender.
Thanks, tenpin & x-guy.No matter how one gets to know, it's still best to know.
Somebody lock this thread; my a** is getting sore .... :
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Post by: DP3 on December 20, 2007, 03:15:21 PM
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Post by: TWOHAND834 on December 24, 2007, 09:46:00 AM
The reason that Visionary and Lanemasters do not get a look from alot of people, is simply because they are smaller companies that do not go out and market their stuff like that of Brunswick and Ebonite. I have been using Visionary since 2000 and have had nothing but great success with them. Funny part, is that I think there is only one pro shop in the Atlanta area that even carries VBP and it is about 50 miles from me. Brunswick, Storm, and Ebonite are bigger, more established companies. VBP is pretty big in the midwest but then that is where they are located (St Louis).
Brunswick will do clinics and Ebonite has Demo Days for bowlers to go out and "test drive" their products before a customer buys them. VBP does not do anything like that, at least not down here anyway.
So far, I have had a Green Gargoyle, Violet Gargoyle, 3 Crimson Executioners, Charcoal Executioner, SS Ogre, Blue Sparkle Gryphon, Frankie May, and B/G Centaur. I have shot honor scores with every one of them and have yet to part ways with any of them. The Green Gargoyle is my fave of all of them and I have had it the longest, about 8 years. It is my old faithful, my go to ball.
The reason that VBP and Lanemasters have more durable covers, is because their covers are thicker. They go 3+ inches into the ball whereas the major companies' covers are only about half of that, maybe 2 inches into the ball. They use filler around the core whereas VBP is virtually core with coverstock poured over it. That is why they can go through many cover changes and resurfaces without losing ball reaction. The resin is 3-4 inches thick. I believe if more people took a chance, they would find good things with Visionary and Lanemasters.
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Post by: scotts33 on December 24, 2007, 09:48:35 AM
I bet charlest would also.
I even think we've brought 230 into the fold.
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Post by: RevLefty on January 26, 2022, 09:13:22 AM
Post by: JessN16 on January 26, 2022, 05:38:36 PM
The only soaker cover stock in the break series is the s75 covers rock which showed up on the break s75 and the more recent eagle special edition red white and blue last year. If you see s75 then the soaker additive is in it.
Nice thread necro but it's a good topic nonetheless, especially to revisit after all these years...
I had the S75, and it was probably my favorite ball of all time, second maybe only to the original Storm X-Factor. It was just as fresh the last day I used it as it was the first (it cracked, unfortunately).
As far as Soaker in general, do I remember correctly that it was in the Dyno-Thane Threshold, which was produced in San Antonio, as well as maybe the Lane #1 Pink Panther?
Post by: Jesse James on January 27, 2022, 11:37:05 AM
LaneMasters is second to me.
Post by: avabob on January 27, 2022, 07:31:42 PM