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Title: MOTIV
Post by: scotts33 on December 14, 2008, 09:41:14 PM: I am going to get a new MOTIV ball but not sure if it will be the TX-1 or SX-1. Depends on what they send to my driller. He bought a case and should see them mid to end of this week.

So, my question is copied from charlest's post in mainzer's GX-1 topic. I and many others I believe would like to know.

I am curious about its traits:

What type of ball is it?
What amount of oil does it handle?
What type of ball reaction does it have with a "normal" or average drilling?
How does it take to surface changes?
Does it stay flippy if polished?
Does it become arc-like if sanded or does it stay flippy?
How reliable is the coverstock?
Does it take to rejuvenation"
How fast does it absorb oil?
Does it still hook strongly if it doesn't absorb oil?
How flexible is the core?
Is it low RG or high RG?
How well does the cover and the core match up?
Does it match up for high rev bowlers OR low rev bowlers?
etc.

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Scott
Title: Re: MOTIV
Post by: tarheel_bk on December 15, 2008, 06:17:46 AM: I seen my pro shop guy throwing the TX-1 and the ball was very smooth while covering a lot of lane. More information can be found at www.motivbowling.com. Hope this will help.
Title: Re: MOTIV
Post by: scotts33 on December 15, 2008, 06:21:59 AM: quote:
I seen my pro shop guy throwing the TX-1 and the ball was very smooth while covering a lot of lane. More information can be found at www.motivbowling.com. Hope this will help.

I've seen the website. I sent an e-mail to Motive/Techline about this topic. Maybe someone from the company will come on this site and answer some questions and hopefully if they do everyone will be civil and not run off another manufacturer's spokesperson who can offer up some insite to the equipment.
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Scott
Title: Re: MOTIV
Post by: lunk_wsu on December 15, 2008, 10:08:21 AM: I'm drilling up a SX-1 today. I'll let you know how it goes. I'm in the Muskegon area where a number of guys have thrown this ball and it's reported to have a pretty tunable coverstock. I saw a guy with the front nine last Tuesday the first game, and the front six the second game. Coverstock was OOB finish.

Eric
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Title: Re: MOTIV
Post by: scotts33 on December 15, 2008, 10:17:10 AM: So, you guys that have rolled both the SX-1 and TX-1. Am I right in assuming the TX-1 is more for a THS less hooking ball.....play more up the boards and the SX-1 is for more oil and more hooking thru the lane?

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Scott
Title: Re: MOTIV
Post by: TheDude on December 17, 2008, 11:13:18 PM: Doesnt ship until after the new year tho.
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Title: Re: MOTIV
Post by: TheDude on December 18, 2008, 03:51:50 PM: Availability: NEW! COMING DECEMBER 30TH
Product Code: MOT001

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Timothy @Juniors Pro-Shops
LaSalle, Quebec
Located inside Pont Mercier Lanes.
Edmonton, Alberta.
Located inside Ed's Rec Room.(WEST ED MALL)
King Of Roto-Grip In Canada.
Keep them honest!

www.juniorsproshop.com now open serving the world.
Title: Re: MOTIV
Post by: scotts33 on December 22, 2008, 06:53:34 AM: Update on Motiv. My driller got a case in Sat. and drilled two one for a customer and one for himself both the black SX-1's. He was very impresssed with coverstock and quality of the balls.

I called Motiv this morning to get an idea of the difference between the two balls SX-1 vs. TX-1. They said the SX-1 the black one is for drier conditions.

I'll be getting one of them drilled this afternoon and report back.

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Scott
Title: Re: MOTIV
Post by: jbruno6 on December 22, 2008, 07:12:29 AM: Is it even possible to put out a bad piece of equipment nowadays? What is this ball going to do that the other 500 can't? Good luck though.....
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Title: Re: MOTIV
Post by: scotts33 on December 22, 2008, 07:35:45 AM: quote:
Is it even possible to put out a bad piece of equipment nowadays? What is this ball going to do that the other 500 can't? Good luck though.....

I think you can ask that of any ball these days. The one issue, I like is that they are made in the USA. Since, they are symmetric I also like that.

Why don't we all use Black Beauties?
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Scott
Title: Re: MOTIV
Post by: MI 2 AZ on December 22, 2008, 10:24:20 AM: quote:
I called Motiv this morning to get an idea of the difference between the two balls SX-1 vs. TX-1. They said the SX-1 the black one is for drier conditions.

Scott,

Well that is different than most other companies. They have the hook potential rating higher for the black one and the price is higher also. Usually a ball for drier lane conditions is less than one for oil.

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Title: Re: MOTIV
Post by: scotts33 on December 22, 2008, 10:34:29 AM: quote:
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I called Motiv this morning to get an idea of the difference between the two balls SX-1 vs. TX-1. They said the SX-1 the black one is for drier conditions.
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Scott,

Well that is different than most other companies. They have the hook potential rating higher for the black one and the price is higher also. Usually a ball for drier lane conditions is less than one for oil.

Gary,

I looked at the website and asked cuz I wanted to know the difference between the two. So, I figure the SX-1 black will go a bit longer and layoff a bit on the backend depending on your stats. layout, surface and lane condition bowled on. TX-1 blue will get a lil less length be a lil milder covering less boards probably more arcy and driver harder on backend again depending on your stats. layout, surface and lane condition bowled on. This is just a guess either way I really doubt they are weak-weak balls. Going to give them a shot as I have been looking for something and they are made in MI.

TX-1 Blue 15 lb. 2.54 .052
Hook 37
Length 26
Drive Energy 36

SX-1 Black 15 lb. 2.47 .047
Hook 41
Length 28
Drive Energy 30
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Scott
Title: Re: MOTIV
Post by: MI 2 AZ on December 22, 2008, 01:33:38 PM: Scott,

Looking forward to your impressions after you get a chance to try yours.

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Title: Re: MOTIV
Post by: ScottHewitt on December 22, 2008, 03:35:56 PM: I've seen a request to have someone from the company to jump into the discussion, so I'll give you some information that should help. I'm the marketing director for MOTIV (but don't hold that against me).

First, when we developed our hook potential rating, we had the ball dynamics in mind (RG,diff, etc.). So, with the same finish on the balls, the SX1 will be more aggressive because of the core design. It's not rocket science to know that you guys can tune the cover where you need it to be.

Out of the box, the SX1 finish is better for medium oil and the TX1 finish for medium-heavy. We are hearing the best results from bowlers that put a 1000 or 2000 abralon finish on the SX1.

Our reactive urethane Motivator-X cover is really durable and has a lower oil absorption rate. You won't get a massive jump on the backend, but a smoother reaction. The lower oil absorption rate also gives you extended ball reaction life and better consistency from game to game.

Scott Hewitt
Tech-Line Products (MOTIV)
http://www.motivbowling.com/
Title: Re: MOTIV
Post by: TheDude on December 22, 2008, 03:41:51 PM: Thanks for responding scott.
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LaSalle, Quebec
Located inside Pont Mercier Lanes.
Edmonton, Alberta.
Located inside Ed's Rec Room.(WEST ED MALL)
King Of Roto-Grip In Canada.
Keep them honest!

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Title: Re: MOTIV
Post by: ScottHewitt on December 22, 2008, 03:45:35 PM: The release of the MOTIV GX1 is actually being delayed and the new release date is TBD. The ball is already USBC approved, but we are getting more orders for TX1 and SX1 balls than we anticipated (a good problem to have). Therefore, rather than begin production on another new release, we are focusing on boosting production for the MOTIV TX1 and SX1.

We will be holding off on releasing any exact specs for the GX1 until we have a specific release date in mind.

Scott Hewitt
Tech-Line Products (MOTIV)
http://www.motivbowling.com/
Title: Re: MOTIV
Post by: scotts33 on December 22, 2008, 10:01:43 PM: quote:
The ball is already USBC approved, but we are getting more orders for TX1 and SX1 balls than we anticipated (a good problem to have).

Thanks for posting Scott! Why do the Motiv balls TX-1 and SX-1 not show up on approved USBC lists as of today 12/22?

Can you answer these questions? BTW...drilled up a SX-1 ball before Mon. league 4" pin lil above ring to right cg set in about 90 deg drilling no X hole....reminded me of rolling Big B stuff. 268 game and put it away as inside burned out. Great ball....I'll purchase a TX-1. Can you tell us the difference betqween the TX-1 and SX-1? Thanks!

ALSO:
I am curious about its traits:

What type of ball is it?
What amount of oil does it handle?
What type of ball reaction does it have with a "normal" or average drilling?
How does it take to surface changes?
Does it stay flippy if polished?
Does it become arc-like if sanded or does it stay flippy?
How reliable is the coverstock?
Does it take to rejuvenation"
How fast does it absorb oil?
Does it still hook strongly if it doesn't absorb oil?
How flexible is the core?
Is it low RG or high RG?
How well does the cover and the core match up?
Does it match up for high rev bowlers OR low rev bowlers?
etc.

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Scott
Title: Re: MOTIV
Post by: ScottHewitt on December 24, 2008, 08:27:58 AM: I received an email from the USBC a couple of weeks back stating that they were a little behind on updating the approved list. It should be coming soon.
Title: Re: MOTIV
Post by: ScottHewitt on December 24, 2008, 08:44:41 AM: Sorry, I forgot to respond to the second part of your post. The cover on the TX1 and SX1 are the same, but they come out of the box with a different finish. Therefore, the real difference between the 2 balls is the core design. They have 2 completely different reactions.

To really simply the difference, the TX1 has a smooth moderate arc and the SX1 has a smooth wider arc. Also, with the lower RG on the SX1, it is easier to rev up wants to turn earlier. I think bowlers with a high rev rate and high ball speed will really like the results of the SX1 with an aggressive finish. On heavier oil I'd recommend a 1000 sanded finish - NO polish. The box finish on the SX1 is really better for medium oil. On the other hand, the TX1 "hits like a truck" according to several bowlers. Many have commented that it is the hardest hitting ball they've ever used.
Title: Re: MOTIV
Post by: scotts33 on December 24, 2008, 09:29:23 AM: Thanks Scott!

I am very impressed with the SX1 which I had drilled on Monday afternoon and used both Mon and Tues nights in league. I am getting a TX1 drilled Fri I am that impressed with Motiv.

Can you tell us anything about the GX1? Would like to know where it might fit with both the SX1 and TX1.
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Scott

Edited on 12/24/2008 10:31 AM
Title: Re: MOTIV
Post by: ScottHewitt on December 24, 2008, 11:33:02 AM: That's great to hear! It sounds like you found the finish that works for you. Just curious, what finish are you using now on your SX1?

The GX1 is designed to be right in between the TX1 and SX1 in terms of reaction (different core design). The coverstock, again, is the same, but it will be what we call metallic blue (blue pearl). Out of the box, the GX1 finish will be a 4000 polish for lighter oil. Keep in mind, the release date on this ball is yet to be determined. It could be Feb and it could be BowlExpo.

Merry Christmas!
Scott Hewitt
Tech-Line Products (MOTIV)
http://www.motivbowling.com/
Title: Re: MOTIV
Post by: scotts33 on December 24, 2008, 11:53:36 AM: quote:
That's great to hear! It sounds like you found the finish that works for you. Just curious, what finish are you using now on your SX1?

Scott,

SX1 I left it OOB which I prefer to do to see how the ball was designed to do. I drilled it with my drillers suggestion as he also drilled one much the same. Stats. are in my profile. 4" pin to PAP pin slightly up and next to ring. CG kicked in slightly so it winds up for me and my PAP a 4" x 4". I use Valentino's Remedy cleaner (can be used during USBC competition) a few times during bowling keeps the lane shine off and more OOB. I am impressed with the covers used on your balls.

Works great on a medium to slightly more than medium THS on 5 yr old Bruns Anvilane 2nd Generation.

I could see on more oil using a 1000ab surface.

Thanks again for the info.
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Scott
Title: Re: MOTIV
Post by: Whiskey 1966 on December 28, 2008, 02:07:24 PM: I know the GX1 is going to be metallic blue and silver, I am interested on how things go for you guys. Good luck! Your assistant Jamie Ireland has been real professional and courteous in her emails to me!
Title: Re: MOTIV
Post by: cros843 on December 28, 2008, 11:13:28 PM: scott,drilled up a tx on friday and shot a 278 the 2nd gm w/ it(finished w/ the last 10. been a long time since i've had so many people ask, what is that your bowling with? the ball gets a nice heavy preditable roll on the back end and the big logos look pretty cool while it's doing it. will be ordering a case monday. steve cross,baton rouge
Title: Re: MOTIV
Post by: scotts33 on December 29, 2008, 01:31:36 AM: Good to hear Steve!
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Scott
Title: Re: MOTIV
Post by: scotts33 on December 29, 2008, 02:33:41 AM: Just an FYI for those interested in these questions.

I asked in an e-mail "Where can I buy Power GelÂ® Clean, Power GelÂ® Scuff, and Power GelÂ® Polish? When will you be coming out with bags?"
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Response from Jeanne. "It will probably be February before we are ready to ship anything on the cleaners. We will be doing accessories but I do not know exactly what or when they will be available."

Thanks for asking!

Jeanne Peterman
Customer Sales & Service
Motiv Bowling by Tech-Line

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Scott
Title: Re: MOTIV
Post by: ScottHewitt on December 29, 2008, 06:57:57 AM: Nice game Steve! Looks like you've been MOTIVated!

Whiskey 1966 - Thank you for the compliment on Jamie's professional customer service. I'll pass those comments on to her.

Have a Happy New Year!

Scott Hewitt
Tech-Line Products (MOTIV)
http://www.motivbowling.com/
Title: Re: MOTIV
Post by: lunk_wsu on January 23, 2009, 10:51:56 AM: It took me a little longer to get the ball drilled than I had originally stated, and it looks like there has been a number of replies since then. I drilled mine with 3 3/8 pin, and static center kicked out. I've tried it with the OOB finish, at 1000 abralon, and now 1000 abralon with Luster King polish. It definitely gives me a better reaction with polish on the ball, than without. Even though I haven't been able to get the results I'd like to see, this ball hits a ton. I'd like to try the TX-1 and see what kind of results I get from it. I've also heard of one guy taking 500 abralon to the ball, and then using a polish on the ball, and he seems to have quite a bit of room on THS, and great carry. If you're looking for something that's going to hit hard and carry, look no further.

Eric
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Title: Re: MOTIV
Post by: scotts33 on January 23, 2009, 11:25:00 AM: I wouldn't use a Luster King on the ball. Plugs the cover with a waxy polish. I'd use a non abrasive polish <ie. Legends or Valentino's Snake Oil>

I've seen one other SX1 plus mine. I wouldn't layout the ball weaker. Strong pin to PAP and stacked is fine to use for most average stroker/tweener types. Has a urethane look or roll...will not snap off the dry. Easy ball to read. I've found I can loft/hit it harder more like the old urethane way of hitting the ball and carry improves.

TX1 will be more angular in the backend.
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Scott
Title: Re: MOTIV
Post by: scotts33 on January 26, 2009, 10:43:40 PM: quote:
What happened to the GX1 they were supposed to put our in January?

I think it was said maybe later or during Bowl Expo.

In either case I am loving SX1 and TX1. Use SX1 to open up sets ion the fresh and TX1 moving in.

From my perspective do NOT drill these balls weak. Urethane roll especially the SX1....if you want a nice even moving urethane look....SX1 is the ball. SX1 I have at 4000ab and it works great..leave it in the oil moving out to dry and great power in the pocket. Nice tighter line. TX1 inside of that where I left off with SX1.....beautiful length and movement more resin look but still not a huge hooker. Left mine is OOB with a lil lane shine. This is on a medium 41" THS 5 yr. old Bruns Anvilane. I sure can't complain.

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Scott
Title: Re: MOTIV
Post by: Zef Olantar on January 26, 2009, 11:54:35 PM: As a Pro Shop owner / operator, I'm always looking to try new equipment. I've had some wonderful conversations with Jeanne Peterman at Motiv, and received my 16# SX1 & TX1 about two weeks ago. Not only are they two of the best looking balls on the market, man do these balls PERFORM. Bar none, these are two of the most consistent balls I've ever owned. As Scott Hewitt mentioned in this thread, you won't get a huge skid / snap reaction out of either one of these balls. Here in Winnipeg, we bowl on a medium to heavy condition and these balls are just amazing. During the course of the night, I use the SX1 for the first 2 games and the TX1 for the last two games. My SX1 is drilled stacked with the pin 4" from my PAP and the CG 3 1/2" from my PAP. The TX1 has the pin above the ring finger with a pin to PAP distance of 5" and the CG is kicked out 2" with a balance hole on my VAL, 2 1/4" below my PAP. The SX1 & TX1 is a great 1-2 punch for me that covers all 4 games. Makes my ball selection very easy and predictable. The only thing that I've found to be a minor issue with the balls is the coverstock, which doesn't bite as well as others when you encounter "carrydown", but that's minor for me since I'm always fighting with balls that hook too much! I can see that these coverstocks will be more durable than others, and that will be a huge plus in maintaining the balls original reaction.

Compliments to Scott Hewitt and everyone at Motiv!
Also, a huge "Thanks" to Jeanne for the outstanding Customer Service!!

Keep up the great work! Looking forward to future releases as I'm getting them ALL!

All I can say is "Get MOTIVated, folks! 'Cause if you're not, you're missing out on a ball reaction that truly no other ball company duplicates!"

The SX1 & TX1 hit like 10 men battling for the UFC Heavyweight title, but are more forgiving than your grandmother! What more could you ask for?

CHEERS!
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George Pichl
PRO SHOP 300
Winnipeg, Manitoba
CANADA
Title: Re: MOTIV
Post by: pro shop guy on January 28, 2009, 07:53:36 PM: shortest way to describe these:

roll like urethane, hit & carry like reactive.
Title: Re: MOTIV
Post by: scotts33 on January 29, 2009, 05:24:37 AM: quote:
shortest way to describe these:

roll like urethane, hit & carry like reactive.

Good description psg!

I'm really liking the use of the SX1 on fresh and TX1 as next ball under.
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Scott
Title: Re: MOTIV
Post by: jls on February 05, 2009, 10:46:14 AM: quote:
What happened to the GX1 they were supposed to put out in January?

Edited on 1/28/2009 8:45 PM

That ball has been cancelled. It is actually being re-named. They decided to change the specs: on that ball. So they had to re-name it.

I think it might be the GP-1.

Not sure when it will be out.
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jls
Title: Re: MOTIV
Post by: jls on February 10, 2009, 02:44:57 PM: Motiv has a polish and a cleaner coming out for their line of balls.

It will be in a 16oz bottle and will probably sell for under $10.

Sounds pretty good comapared to all those little 4oz and 5 oz bottles the other companies have out

Due in march
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jls
Title: Re: MOTIV
Post by: Spider Ball Bowler on February 10, 2009, 04:17:10 PM: I just got my TX-1 today. It's a really good looking ball, and I hope it performs as well.

The thing I like the most about it is the fact that the box says:

Made in Muskegon, MI U.S.A.

15 1 oz, 3.6 oz tw, 3-4" pin.

Thinking about putting a standard label drill, pin left of the ring, cg in the center of grip.

Very cool looking ball!
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Ahhh Disco Biscuits!
Title: Re: MOTIV
Post by: Zef Olantar on February 10, 2009, 06:05:10 PM: Spider Ball Bowler, don't be afraid to put a strong layout on this ball. I have the TX1 and the SX1, and they are NOT big hooking balls. (please read my reviews on the balls) Both balls are awesome, but are nothing like other reactives on the market. Stacked leverage is a great layout for both of the Motiv balls. They'll give you a urethane+ type reaction with the hitting power of a high end reactive.

Best of luck......I know you'll love the ball.
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George
Pro Shop 300
Winnipeg, Manitoba
CANADA
Title: Re: MOTIV
Post by: scotts33 on February 10, 2009, 09:43:03 PM: Drill it strong!
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Scott
Title: Re: MOTIV
Post by: Spider Ball Bowler on February 12, 2009, 05:27:18 PM: Hey guys, just dropped off my TX-1 to have drilled. Went with the leverage 3 3/8 drill on it.

Can't wait to pick it up!

I'll post my results when I get a chance to throw it.
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Ahhh Disco Biscuits!
Title: Re: MOTIV
Post by: Artimust on February 12, 2009, 06:55:54 PM: My friends shop is brining in some TX-1's and SX-1's, and I am pretty interested in trying one of them out. Leaning towards the TX, but we'll see what I end up with in a week or so.
Title: Re: MOTIV
Post by: Artimust on February 17, 2009, 01:15:35 PM: Hey Spider Ball, did you get a chance to throw your TX-1 yet? Opinion?
Title: Re: MOTIV
Post by: jls on February 17, 2009, 03:17:15 PM: quote:
quote:
Spider Ball Bowler, don't be afraid to put a strong layout on this ball. I have the TX1 and the SX1, and they are NOT big hooking balls. (please read my reviews on the balls) Both balls are awesome, but are nothing like other reactives on the market. Stacked leverage is a great layout for both of the Motiv balls. They'll give you a urethane+ type reaction with the hitting power of a high end reactive.

Best of luck......I know you'll love the ball.
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George
Pro Shop 300
Winnipeg, Manitoba
CANADA

someone was telling me that these are more urethane than reactive, is this true?

Don't know for sure, but they do indeed roll smooth like urethane, yet they do hit more like reactive. Just started stocking them last week. So far the feedback has been good.
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jls
Title: Re: MOTIV
Post by: Spider Ball Bowler on February 17, 2009, 03:23:12 PM: Hey guys, I actually just picked up the TX-1 on Sunday and since we're bowling in the city tournament I have only thrown it for three shots in practice, so it would be hard for me to really talk about how it is yet.

From what I could see in those 3 shots was the ball looks pretty cool going down the lane, and it hooks, but it's not a hook in the box.

I might have more of a chance to throw it tonight and if I did, I'll report more later.
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Ahhh Disco Biscuits!
Title: Re: MOTIV
Post by: Zef Olantar on February 17, 2009, 06:04:50 PM: quote:
quote:
Spider Ball Bowler, don't be afraid to put a strong layout on this ball. I have the TX1 and the SX1, and they are NOT big hooking balls. (please read my reviews on the balls) Both balls are awesome, but are nothing like other reactives on the market. Stacked leverage is a great layout for both of the Motiv balls. They'll give you a urethane+ type reaction with the hitting power of a high end reactive.

Best of luck......I know you'll love the ball.
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George
Pro Shop 300
Winnipeg, Manitoba
CANADA

someone was telling me that these are more urethane than reactive, is this true?

This is true to a point......the control of urethane yet hitting power of a reactive. The only thing is these coverstocks (the same on both balls) are not very porous and therefore don't like carrydown as much as some of the soaker reactives that are out there now......but, if you bowl on dry backends with minimal carrydown, these balls are KILLERS! And, time will tell, but I'm expecting much longer lifespans out of this coverstock than all the others on the market because they don't absorb nearly as much oil, if any!

Definitely worth a look! CHEERS!
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George
Pro Shop 300
Winnipeg, Manitoba
CANADA
Title: Re: MOTIV
Post by: Spider Ball Bowler on February 18, 2009, 01:34:46 PM: Hey guys I'm going to take my TX-1 to the lanes today and make a short video for you all to enjoy

Should be fun and I'll post it when I return.
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Ahhh Disco Biscuits!
Title: Re: MOTIV
Post by: Artimust on February 23, 2009, 05:51:44 PM: Since it seems like the TX-1(blue) has a problem with carry down, would you guys suggest maybe just getting a SX-1(black)? I'm debating between the two and would like one that would be good on most conditions.
Title: Re: MOTIV
Post by: Zef Olantar on February 23, 2009, 07:03:33 PM: Both balls have the similar issues with carrydown. The TX1 is actually more angular at the breakpoint and handles the carrydown marginally better, but both are similar because the coverstock is identical on both the SX1 and TX1.

The SX1 is finished to 2000 Abralon while the TX1 is 1000 Abralon which is why it's a bit better handling oil in the backend. Hope that helps.
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George
Pro Shop 300
Winnipeg, Manitoba
CANADA
Title: Re: MOTIV
Post by: Spider Ball Bowler on February 23, 2009, 08:40:08 PM: I am selling my TX-1 if anyone is interested. It's 15 single drill about 2 games total on it. LH, finger grips and slug, no xhole.

I tried to move down to 15 lbs, and it's not going to happen, I'm piping this bad boy.

$80 shipped or trade for something 16.

LMK
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Ahhh Disco Biscuits!
Title: Re: MOTIV
Post by: fishbowler on March 09, 2009, 03:58:26 PM: Ok here's my take. Got a single drill used one that was said to have one game on it. It is drilled pin just above and right of ring with the cg in palm. pretty much a label drill - my axis is 4 3/4 over and 1/2 inch up.

threw it on an easy THS shot and was amazed at how little it hooked. not going ot be judgemental about this ball after throwing a few league games BUT my fury pearl was easily outhooking by 7-10 boards. I tried 4 other balls that same nite and they all easily outhooked the TX-1. I had to go way right and roll straight up the drier boards to get to wrinkle. I applied a scotch brite after league and threw again and then it did pickup a hair earlier but if it caught carrydown it didnt move at all. I can see this ball being wonderful on flying backends, maybe even a dream ball. super cool looking and the logos are sweet. I was amazed cuz when I read the ads on the motiv website and the few reviews on here, I thought it would move a good bit but it didnt. I am in contact with motic tech support so see if this ball reaction I am getting it is the norm for this ball. It definitley has a urethane feel to it. I almost got the sense it was not reactive at all. not a bad thing just an observation. the ball rolled beautifully and flared about 4-5 inches. will keep all posted. we have one house with flying corners and backends, might be just what the doctor ordered. doug
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Title: Re: MOTIV
Post by: Zef Olantar on March 09, 2009, 04:09:17 PM: Your observations are correct, Doug!
I have the TX-1 and the SX-1 and they both have that urethane look and feel
to them......when the backends are flying and your bowling on a shorter
pattern, these balls are KILLERS!

You'll also notice that the oil does NOT absorb into the ball, which is one
of the reasons this coverstock (same on both balls) does not like carrydown.

Having said that, both of the MOTIV balls are always in my bag.
Especially when I'm travelling to tournaments. If you're bowling on
a Sport or PBA pattern, these will help you control the lane.

Cheers!

George
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"You may not like it now........but you'll LEARN to like it!"

Canadian SAWhead
Title: Re: MOTIV
Post by: fishbowler on March 09, 2009, 04:15:34 PM: OK so I didnt get a dud like I thought seems the advertising for this ball is kind of misleading as I saw no reference to the ball providing a "urethane" look and feel. And yes when the ball comes back it is just soaked on the outside with oil sitting on the surface. wont a cover like this also help create a bad carrydown situation due to oil staying outside the cover?
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"I'd quit this game if I thought anyone would give a damn!"

"If Fishing is a Sport, well then you're looking at an athlete!"
Title: Re: MOTIV
Post by: Zef Olantar on March 09, 2009, 04:38:13 PM: Yes, oil on the cover doesn't help when the ball is trying to make the turn
into the pocket......that's why the new "soaker" coverstocks are better for
handling carrydown.

The coverstock on the 2 Motiv balls also appears to be less "tacky" than most
other reactive covers on the market, which will also contribute to the lower
hook potential of the balls.

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"You may not like it now........but you'll LEARN to like it!"

Canadian SAWhead