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chipmunkbowler

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09-10 season
« on: June 06, 2009, 11:36:50 PM »
some interesting turns in the season with the us open in february (earlier than usual) and a tournament named after Mark Roth (FINALY) and something I find quite interesting the red white and blue open (if anyone can shine some light on that tournament that would be appreciated)

 

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Re: 09-10 season
« Reply #16 on: June 09, 2009, 12:11:25 AM »
I saw no mention of prize money. We have a guy here in town here in Nashville who is going to bowl the first 7 tournaments in Michigan. I think he said he will be renting an apartment for a couple of months.

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Re: 09-10 season
« Reply #17 on: June 09, 2009, 07:04:16 AM »
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Yes, totally agree with you. What I'm wondering is what are the players going to do with this setup? Since the tournaments run in a row at the same house will they just stay there most of the time or keep having to drive or fly to the same house.


The players are going to save a ton of money by not having to move from city to city. I think they like the idea in that respect.

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The other thing that I really don't understand is who does it benefit for the fans having all these tournaments taped delayed. Doesn't the PBA understand that we HATE THAT! We are going to know the winner first of all and it doesn't make the tournaments special following them just to have to wait weeks down the road to have it tape delayed. And what is with the World Championship having the finals December 13th which at least that is live but does anyone realize that the match play part of the tournament ends September 6??!! Ya, let's have a long, prestigious major then remind that the bowlers that are in the finals "don't forget to fly all the way out to our bowling center two months from now!"


The fans hate it already. Also, I think the attendence for all of those Thunderbowl lane dates are going to suffer. How much PBA interest can one city support in such a short time.
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Re: 09-10 season
« Reply #18 on: June 09, 2009, 06:20:22 PM »
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The tournament that is scheduled to be held here in Omaha may end up being moved to either Lincoln, Ne or Council Bluffs, IA as Thunder Alley here in omaha has officially closed it's doors.
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LOL! Who is in charge of scheduling these events at the PBA?

I suspect they would move it to Council Bluffs...whatever center that is since they have had a PBA tournament there before. But if they don't want it I talked to an employee at Irving. TX and they would love to have another PBA tournament. That is if the PBA players are up for the challenge again. Love wood lanes.

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Re: 09-10 season
« Reply #19 on: June 09, 2009, 06:27:25 PM »
I would love it if one of the bowlers that makes the show for the World Championship be asked by a commentator "What would winning this event mean to you?"

PBA player: "Well the money and the title is nice I guess but I lost enthusiasm for the prestige of this major when the PBA decided to delay the tournament 95% of the way through and when I got here I forgot what tournament this was for or the reason. I mean, that was months ago I bowled this tournament!"

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Re: 09-10 season
« Reply #20 on: June 10, 2009, 09:23:46 AM »
They eliminated Chicago this season?  Wuz up w/that?
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Re: 09-10 season
« Reply #21 on: June 10, 2009, 09:41:47 AM »
Just more of a circus from the PBA.  They don't put out a reason for it to their fans, and their fans are the reason they can do what they do.

The PBA National tour will be dead in 5 years.

Just seems like they are going all Mickey Mouse on use.  Next it will be the WWE with staged matches.
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Re: 09-10 season
« Reply #22 on: June 10, 2009, 03:23:20 PM »
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Just more of a circus from the PBA.  They don't put out a reason for it to their fans, and their fans are the reason they can do what they do.

The PBA National tour will be dead in 5 years.

Just seems like they are going all Mickey Mouse on use.  Next it will be the WWE with staged matches.
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I pray to god that doesn't happen, but it does seem to be heading that way.

They scheduling this season has got to be one of the dumbest ideas the PBA has ever had.

Wonder what kinda flak the PBA might catch from the players during the pre-season meeting.
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Re: 09-10 season
« Reply #23 on: June 10, 2009, 06:17:06 PM »
Perhaps what the PBA has been trying to do this entire decade (forget about just this upcoming season) is to target the novice PBA viewing audience and not the ones that follow every tournament and are bowlers themselves or know bowling. The novice fan is going to think these tournaments are live.

I think the PBA has an opportunity to right a very big wrong here. Keep the multiple tournaments in Michigan. Work out a deal with Espn to get these tournaments to have the finals live and extend the rest of the season to December with more tour dates.

Cause what you have here with this idea is this season is nothing but one big cluster----!

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Re: 09-10 season
« Reply #24 on: June 16, 2009, 12:53:41 AM »
The reason for tournaments moving to Council Bluffs is due to it having the same owner as Thunder Alley in Omaha. The closing was a shock to the bowlers, workers, and PBA, national and regional.  The World Series does not bother me as much anymore as it did, since every season more tournaments are added, and relieving some of the touring players won't hurt.  My main beef with the new schedule, has to be that 3 of the 4 majors, (TOC, Masters, and U.S. Open) plus the now "5th major" known as the Dick Weber Open, all occuring within a month's period.  That will be a greuling stretch that will also, in my opinion, probably determine the player of the year and pace of the rest of the season. Just too much for a short stretch I think.
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Re: 09-10 season
« Reply #25 on: June 16, 2009, 06:44:33 AM »
A lot of you guys clearly are not in tune with the state of the PBA.  The World Series of Bowling was as much a necessity as a choice.  It will save the PBA several hundred thousand dollars, a necessity considering the PBA's economic state and the the overall economy.  There are lots of downsides to it, for sure, but all pale in comparison to NOT HAVING A PBA.

As for TV ratings, they have shown to be unaffected by whether shows are taped or live -- that mostly impacts hardcore fans who mostly watch whether they know the outcome or not.

Taping all the shows in the short time frame is the primary way they save money -- it costs tens of thousands of dollars to take down and move and put back up the ESPN stage every week.

You guys gotta look at the big picture and it's all about $$$$$$

Also, PBA does see a lot of benefits to the WSOB -- execs statements have been widely reported so I won't repeat them.

The commish did have an interesting recent interview.

http://77square.com/sweat/blog/frame11/entry_454788

(I am not saying I agree with everything I wrote here -- if I was still on Tour there's a lot about the WSOB that would stink, but I understand why the PBA is doing what it is doing -- the potential alternative of no PBA is much worse.)

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Re: 09-10 season
« Reply #26 on: June 16, 2009, 09:25:50 AM »
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A lot of you guys clearly are not in tune with the state of the PBA.  The World Series of Bowling was as much a necessity as a choice.  It will save the PBA several hundred thousand dollars, a necessity considering the PBA's economic state and the the overall economy.  There are lots of downsides to it, for sure, but all pale in comparison to NOT HAVING A PBA.

As for TV ratings, they have shown to be unaffected by whether shows are taped or live -- that mostly impacts hardcore fans who mostly watch whether they know the outcome or not.

Taping all the shows in the short time frame is the primary way they save money -- it costs tens of thousands of dollars to take down and move and put back up the ESPN stage every week.

You guys gotta look at the big picture and it's all about $$$$$$

Also, PBA does see a lot of benefits to the WSOB -- execs statements have been widely reported so I won't repeat them.

The commish did have an interesting recent interview.

http://77square.com/sweat/blog/frame11/entry_454788

(I am not saying I agree with everything I wrote here -- if I was still on Tour there's a lot about the WSOB that would stink, but I understand why the PBA is doing what it is doing -- the potential alternative of no PBA is much worse.)


I know they need to do something, but they don't have to tape delay them, and believe me they are hurt when something is tape delayed. Viewership takes a nose dive.

They can show them live still, and like I said, if someone is just a bit off their game at that moment, or they have a minor injury that may be difficult to bowl with their season is shot, and so might be an exepmtion for the next year. You are dealing with someone's livelyhood.  They need to provide for their families.  Not like they make $10 mil a year and it won't matter.

It is still Mickey Mouse.  If you want to be treated as a real professional sport, then you must conduct business as a real professional sport.  Imagine golf or tennis did this?

If they can't afford to run a true pro sport then they need to look at other ways to fix it.  

How about move the tour scheduled to after Football season?  Then the 1pm slot on ESPN wouldn't hurt so much.  Or they could even get a contract with another network that might pay to carry them during this dead sports time.
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Re: 09-10 season
« Reply #27 on: June 16, 2009, 09:40:16 AM »
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Or they could even get a contract with another network that might pay to carry them during this dead sports time.
I thought you wanted to help ratings?  Moving to a smaller network just because it's cheaper is a death sentence.  Just take a look at how badly the IndyCar Series ratings have tanked this year compared to last year after moving most of their races to Versus instead of ESPN.  Last year, they used to draw ratings similar to the PBA (0.8-1.0 Nielsen ratings for most normal decent events).  Now they're getting 0.2 Nielsen ratings.  Whoops.

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Re: 09-10 season
« Reply #28 on: June 16, 2009, 11:31:02 AM »
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Or they could even get a contract with another network that might pay to carry them during this dead sports time.
I thought you wanted to help ratings?  Moving to a smaller network just because it's cheaper is a death sentence.  Just take a look at how badly the IndyCar Series ratings have tanked this year compared to last year after moving most of their races to Versus instead of ESPN.  Last year, they used to draw ratings similar to the PBA (0.8-1.0 Nielsen ratings for most normal decent events).  Now they're getting 0.2 Nielsen ratings.  Whoops.


I didn't say smaller network, I said another network.  You can put it on Saturday or Sunday in the afternoon if you start the season after the Football season is over.

Heck, move it back to saturday after college football is over and put it on ABC or CBS, or NBC.

WHy does the season have to start in Sept/Oct?  Start it in December when most of the college football is over, or keep it on Sundays on ESPN, but start the season after the playoffs in Feb.   That way it isn't competeing against the NFL or college football.
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Re: 09-10 season
« Reply #29 on: June 16, 2009, 12:12:54 PM »
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Or they could even get a contract with another network that might pay to carry them during this dead sports time.
I thought you wanted to help ratings?  Moving to a smaller network just because it's cheaper is a death sentence.  Just take a look at how badly the IndyCar Series ratings have tanked this year compared to last year after moving most of their races to Versus instead of ESPN.  Last year, they used to draw ratings similar to the PBA (0.8-1.0 Nielsen ratings for most normal decent events).  Now they're getting 0.2 Nielsen ratings.  Whoops.


I didn't say smaller network, I said another network.
You certainly implied it by saying "pay to carry them."  NO big network is going to pay to carry bowling.  Niche sports like bowling are almost always going to be time-buys on larger networks.  The only place they'll find cheap/free/paid timeslots will be on smaller networks.  This is the same exact problem that's plagued open wheel racing for over a decade now.  You're getting a smaller audience if you want a cheap/free/paid TV deal, or you're getting a bigger audience with a time-buy TV deal.

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Re: 09-10 season
« Reply #30 on: June 16, 2009, 05:02:04 PM »
The "hardcores" are the main ones worrying about the tape delays.  Isn't every week tape delayed to the hardcores?  In my opinion, if your a hardcore, you should be out there competing most Sundays, not in front of the TV. That's why I love my Tivo and Xtra Frame.  I get to watch when it is convenient for me.  I'm never going to quit watching PBA.  PBA knows that.  They need to draw in the people that don't already watch the PBA, and save some money in the process.
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