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Title: 12 year old qualifies
Post by: abrown on May 08, 2010, 12:27:09 PM
http://news.pba.com/post/2010/5/8/12-Year-Old-Qualifies-for-South-Region-Finals.aspx
 
amazing in my opinion
Title: Re: 12 year old qualifies
Post by: ImBackInTheGame on May 08, 2010, 08:52:22 PM
If he loses is amateur eligibility then that's a huge mistake!
Title: Re: 12 year old qualifies
Post by: ImakeA2srun on May 08, 2010, 09:09:08 PM
I think its awesome, Regional patterns are not that tough.  I think he would get pounded at a mega buck Eliminator, or Hoinke style tournament. Thats where I would head next if I were him, keep that am status.
Title: Re: 12 year old qualifies
Post by: jkiser01 on May 08, 2010, 09:18:50 PM
How many regional have you cashed in?? Just curious after your statement that they are not very hard. Regional patterns are not that easy..



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I think its awesome, Regional patterns are not that tough.  I think he would get pounded at a mega buck Eliminator, or Hoinke style tournament. Thats where I would head next if I were him, keep that am status.

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Title: Re: 12 year old qualifies
Post by: TheFreeAgent on May 08, 2010, 09:25:13 PM
YOu dont lose your jr status bowling tournaments. Theres a waiver you can sign. Jr bowling is a joke any way biggest mistake I ever made.  I know the kid and hes got mad skills.
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Title: Re: 12 year old qualifies
Post by: batbowler on May 08, 2010, 09:30:20 PM
Yeah, he can sign the waiver and Kamron does this for the experience not the money!
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Title: Re: 12 year old qualifies
Post by: ImakeA2srun on May 08, 2010, 09:48:58 PM
What I mean is regional patterns are generally not flat oil. Mega bucks and eliminator generally are flat oil. I cashed in the 1994 Budwieser PBA Open at Gus Lampo's Holiday Lanes in Oneonta ,NY. Whatever that has to do with anything??
Title: Re: 12 year old qualifies
Post by: Russell on May 08, 2010, 10:22:47 PM
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What I mean is regional patterns are generally not flat oil. Mega bucks and eliminator generally are flat oil. I cashed in the 1994 Budwieser PBA Open at Gus Lampo's Holiday Lanes in Oneonta ,NY. Whatever that has to do with anything??


Actually you're dead wrong....but thanks for showing us who we should not listen to on the threads.

The Megabucks patterns are FAR from flat.  They are usually 3:1 ratios or so with plenty of taper, and not very tough.  The mini eliminator usually takes about 670+ to make a cut and the TAT takes 700+.

I've bowled both and the regional patterns are tougher....
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Title: Re: 12 year old qualifies
Post by: los2003 on May 08, 2010, 10:39:14 PM
I thought the pba could put the money in a smart acct..
Title: Re: 12 year old qualifies
Post by: ImakeA2srun on May 08, 2010, 11:03:52 PM
When I went to L V it was flat. When I last bowled in a regional it was not flat. End of story.
Title: Re: 12 year old qualifies
Post by: r534me on May 08, 2010, 11:08:53 PM
The kid has a pretty good release.  It''s better than 75% of the league bowlers around here(it could be higher).  And he has good genes too if what one of the posters stated is true his dad is his orthodontist.

Edited on 5/8/2010 11:09 PM
Title: Re: 12 year old qualifies
Post by: ImakeA2srun on May 08, 2010, 11:11:22 PM
Russell, you didnt bowl in every regional and every mega buck. You dont know what conditions are like all over the country, lol. I am making a generalization of my experiences, and all the other top bowlers in my area agree. please dont tell me I am wrong.
Title: Re: 12 year old qualifies
Post by: n00dlejester on May 08, 2010, 11:13:26 PM
Woo!  That's awesome!  Good for this dude.  I hope he uses this to springboard onto bigger and better things.
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Title: Re: 12 year old qualifies
Post by: riggs on May 09, 2010, 06:36:40 AM
Juniors can bowl in PBA events with the SMART program so they lose no eligibility.
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Title: Re: 12 year old qualifies
Post by: icewall on May 09, 2010, 06:49:50 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P6Cg81P0x_o
Title: Re: 12 year old qualifies
Post by: icefiction on May 09, 2010, 08:58:50 AM
I think what this young teen is doing is so great. However I remember the days when I was a youth bowler and requested to do the same thing as he is doing and was denied more than twenty times. It seems since a few youth bowlers came along that seemed to have some sort of in with the PBA officials, now everyone(meaning youth bowlers who meet the same requirements) can bowl in Regional's. I'm not saying its a bad or good thing but I would love to know exactly when the rules changed and who was the first non-adult that was allowed to bowl.
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Title: Re: 12 year old qualifies
Post by: MrPerfect on May 09, 2010, 09:17:42 AM
Not to take away from the kids accomplishment but if his ball speed is what it should be for a kid his size any pattern wouldn't play that tough. His only issue would be carry.

That's the same problem all of us have, but he doesn't have to worry about the pattern so that's one less concern.

It's impressive, but I've seen it done before. Here's hoping he has good parents who don't burn out his talent.
Title: Re: 12 year old qualifies
Post by: Strider on May 09, 2010, 09:26:56 AM
How does slower ball speed take the lane pattern out of play?
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Title: Re: 12 year old qualifies
Post by: MrPerfect on May 09, 2010, 10:01:27 AM
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Kind of knew I was going to get flamed over those comments.

Go to a youth league, we put a sport pattern out for our teenage juniors and if this kid throws the same ball speed as other kids his size then he throws it slow enough that the ball reads the pattern better.

If you haven't seen this than it's basically the same thing as someone who hooks at their spares. When the person slows down incredibly to hook the entire lane at their spares the ball reads the pattern better and hooks more. It's all about matching surface and ball speed to the lanes.

Yes, obviously if that's the case why don't the other people in the tournament slow down, and all I can say is I don't know. The first thing I do in any tournament that has a pattern with volume is slow down and use more surface. After that it's only about carry and consistency.
Title: Re: 12 year old qualifies
Post by: n00dlejester on May 09, 2010, 10:52:08 AM
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How does slower ball speed take the lane pattern out of play?
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Kind of knew I was going to get flamed over those comments.

Go to a youth league, we put a sport pattern out for our teenage juniors and if this kid throws the same ball speed as other kids his size then he throws it slow enough that the ball reads the pattern better.

If you haven't seen this than it's basically the same thing as someone who hooks at their spares. When the person slows down incredibly to hook the entire lane at their spares the ball reads the pattern better and hooks more. It's all about matching surface and ball speed to the lanes.

Yes, obviously if that's the case why don't the other people in the tournament slow down, and all I can say is I don't know. The first thing I do in any tournament that has a pattern with volume is slow down and use more surface. After that it's only about carry and consistency.


If you're 12 years old, and you do something wonderful, how would you feel if a group of adults were belittling your accomplishment?  No need to be a spoil sport for the future of our game.  Pat him on the back, tell him to keep it up and perhaps with enough encouragement, bowling will take over the UNIVERSE *fades out*
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Title: Re: 12 year old qualifies
Post by: Strider on May 09, 2010, 12:44:25 PM
It wasn't a flame, just a question.  My opinion is that the slower you throw it, the more it hooks, and the ball "sees" more of the pattern.  From what I've seem, it's the flame throwers that take the pattern out of play, for better or worse.  Hard and pretty straight, and just enough tilt or late hook will allow you to score and play almost any pattern very similar.  I haven't watched any youth leagues to see what you've seen, but the guys who hook the ball a lot at spares on sport shots seem have a pretty low conversion percentage.  Hit a little carry down and it skates by.  Hit some early friction and the ball is gone before it ever had a chance.  I do believe you on matching up.  Maybe some of your youths are speed dominant, so when they throw it slower, the ball actually has a chance to read the pattern as opposed to skating down the lane?
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Title: Re: 12 year old qualifies
Post by: MrPerfect on May 09, 2010, 12:59:54 PM
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How does slower ball speed take the lane pattern out of play?
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Kind of knew I was going to get flamed over those comments.

Go to a youth league, we put a sport pattern out for our teenage juniors and if this kid throws the same ball speed as other kids his size then he throws it slow enough that the ball reads the pattern better.

If you haven't seen this than it's basically the same thing as someone who hooks at their spares. When the person slows down incredibly to hook the entire lane at their spares the ball reads the pattern better and hooks more. It's all about matching surface and ball speed to the lanes.

Yes, obviously if that's the case why don't the other people in the tournament slow down, and all I can say is I don't know. The first thing I do in any tournament that has a pattern with volume is slow down and use more surface. After that it's only about carry and consistency.


If you're 12 years old, and you do something wonderful, how would you feel if a group of adults were belittling your accomplishment?  No need to be a spoil sport for the future of our game.  Pat him on the back, tell him to keep it up and perhaps with enough encouragement, bowling will take over the UNIVERSE *fades out*
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I hope it does, it's the reason I coach.

I didn't mean to knock his accomplishment, but being from Florida and the depth of talent we have here it's not all that uncommon for a kid to be talented at that young. It's still a great accomplishment, it's just not that suprising.
Title: Re: 12 year old qualifies
Post by: TheFreeAgent on May 09, 2010, 01:28:27 PM
wow the kid just started puberty and has qualified for a regional and most of you cant even give him props just make excuses? SMH at you sad excuses for human beings, jealousy isnt something to be proud of.
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Title: Re: 12 year old qualifies
Post by: justinmill14 on May 09, 2010, 04:49:30 PM
I bowled against Kamron in a tournament last weekend. It was me and him bowling to go on to the title match. I beat him 258-210  The kid is already a good bowler, but he is going to get much better.

Congrats to Kamron and best of luck!



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Title: Re: 12 year old qualifies
Post by: T C 300 on May 09, 2010, 05:17:49 PM
WTF some of you are bash this kid?!?!?!?!  hope you old F'ers dont have kids, or wait you would prolly come to there rescue huh??!!

or it could be jelousy that a 12yr old is far better than some of you in this thread!!


Title: Re: 12 year old qualifies
Post by: The Stroke on May 09, 2010, 07:18:42 PM
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Way to throw away all those years of HS and collegiate bowling when he peaks at 16 and levels off around 215-225 for the rest of his life.
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Title: Re: 12 year old qualifies
Post by: JessN16 on May 09, 2010, 08:59:17 PM
Two of the best bowlers I've ever seen were ages 13 and 11, respectively, when I saw them. The 11-year-old bowls in the center I bowl in now, has more hand than all but a few of the top scratch bowlers and can repeat shots better than them, too. Once he learns more about equipment matchups, he's going to be hell on wheels. Shot 834 here a couple of weeks ago after league on a shot that was totally blown apart. He practices like a fiend, and most of the adults are hesitant to go straight-up against him because they know they'll probably get beaten.

Stop hatin', folks.

Jess
Title: Re: 12 year old qualifies
Post by: riggs on May 10, 2010, 06:35:58 AM
This reminds me of the hatin' that went on when PBA finally saw the light and let the woman bowl.  All that matters is whether you can knock the pins down -- they don't know how old you are or what your plumbing is!
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Title: Re: 12 year old qualifies
Post by: Xcessive_Evil on May 10, 2010, 10:38:52 AM
I haven't cashed in a regional in about 4 years, and coming off my worst season in a very long time....and yet, I still find this to be badass and mad congrats to him.  Some of you really need to get your heads out of your butts.
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Title: Re: 12 year old qualifies
Post by: kidlost2000 on May 11, 2010, 01:28:32 AM
The kids are good. Hope they do well. If you go into bowling to be rich you picked the wrong sport.

If you want to make money on the side of your regular job bowling can be that route.


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Title: Re: 12 year old qualifies
Post by: Gene J Kanak on May 11, 2010, 08:48:47 AM
I've bowled 5-6 regional events, and I've never been reasonably close to cashing. I was in fifth place on my squad through five games once, and I finished a small plus another time. That's it for me. For this kid to be competitive like that at age 12 is awesome. Like a few others have said, it's good to see a kid who would rather be out somewhere doing something active rather then sitting around watching TV or playing Wii bowling. Good job, Kameron!
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Title: Re: 12 year old qualifies
Post by: DanH78 on May 11, 2010, 09:51:52 AM
Wow, ESPN DOES cover bowling, the story actually made the front page of ESPN.com

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/news/story?id=5179290

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Title: Re: 12 year old qualifies
Post by: Jmiller88 on May 11, 2010, 11:16:29 AM
I must admit, what this kid has done is a feet. I really hope his parents don't try to jump on and ride him downhill and burn his game out because I have seen it done to a few of my friends. I am not trying to bash him or anything but it is a regional competition. When Jake Peters was 18 he finished around 24th at the Masters, and just a few years ago Andrew Koff was leading most of qualifying at the Open. This kid obviously has a great amount of talent, but how could he compare to what those two did at their ages? I really hope this kid keeps his game under his feet and doesn't think with the success he has had that his game will always be the best. I would like to say congratulations and good luck in the future Kamron.
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Title: Re: 12 year old qualifies
Post by: MattC7 on May 11, 2010, 09:59:14 PM
Kudos to his parents for giving him the opportunities to accel.

Not many parents are committed to getting their kid to and from the lanes weekly for a league, let alone enough to get them to a high enough level, as well as taking on the finances of equipment at the highest level, and entry fees.

He's got alot of talent, but he'ld be nowhere if they weren't fostering his growth
Title: Re: 12 year old qualifies
Post by: sdbowler on May 12, 2010, 09:34:42 AM
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Wow, ESPN DOES cover bowling, the story actually made the front page of ESPN.com

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/news/story?id=5179290

Congrats to the kid.
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Title: Re: 12 year old qualifies
Post by: ImakeA2srun on May 12, 2010, 10:46:26 PM
Russell, Why dont you tell soupcan he is wrong? Oh... thats right, you have no idea what you are talkinh about.
Title: Re: 12 year old qualifies
Post by: abrown on May 12, 2010, 11:37:10 PM
i personally don't think anyone can take a thing away from this kid if you try your just a really jealous plain and simple he could obviously beat most of us and must really land a punch to the gut of your house hack's who tried and never even came close to cashing in a regional. i myself tried and saw its alot harder than i thought and to see a 12 year old surpass what i will possibly ever do kudos to him he may very well be the future of bowling.
Title: Re: 12 year old qualifies
Post by: LuckyLefty on May 12, 2010, 11:53:28 PM
2hander?

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