Post by: Necromancer on November 25, 2007, 05:31:05 AM
The only person I respect on the whole telecast as a legitamate elite bowler / athlete is Robert Smith.
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Post by: Dan Belcher on November 25, 2007, 01:39:16 PM
(For what it's worth, the Shark is the only pattern I've never been able to figure out. I shot a couple 200 games on it, but most were in the 160 range. Over/under reaction and horrible carry no matter what I did)
Post by: shelley on November 25, 2007, 01:54:10 PM
Why didn't they just point it at the pocket and take 9/ to the bank? If they knew their opponent would shoot <160, I'd bet money that's what they'd've done. But you gotta keep trying to strike, because you never know when the other guy is going to figure something out. Brad just came off of 500+ for two games, the right adjustment could mean another four or five bagger. Chris is just phenomenally talented and is liable to figure it out too. You gotta keep trying to find something because the other guy just might find it too.
It would have been an awesome feat for one to just decide to take the straight game and live with the weak 10s, truly gutsy, but I don't fault either one for trying to stick with what could have started working at any time.
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Post by: loose5682 on November 25, 2007, 02:12:19 PM
And no, that's not thinking too far ahead, that's just being smart.
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Post by: nd300 on November 25, 2007, 02:13:12 PM
Personally,the line and ball change that Mika made seemed to make the lanes look almost too easy,given the pro bowler's ability to repeat shots.
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Post by: Necromancer on November 25, 2007, 04:06:17 PM
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I lost even more respect for Barnes at the end of this game. He was making HORRIBLE shots and at the end was whining about not breaking down even one split. Maybe if he would have manned up and bowled better he wouldn't have had to worry about luck. The man has an incredible game and a ten cent head, I'll start calling him Nuke Laloosh (sp?).
I agree man. I used to support Barnes and considered him a top 3 or top 5 bowler. But I don't think he is choking. I just think he isn't that good anymore. He has been using the same game his whole career (mostly straight, fast, with lots of spin, and about 2 boards from the 20). He needs to change something. He just looks terrible on TV nowadays.
I hope Robert Smith can be on TV for a long time. He represents everything fun and good about bowling at the highest level.
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Post by: Russell on November 25, 2007, 04:14:27 PM
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Yeah I know the lane condition is hard. Yeah I have bowled in PBA patterns and even harder patterns. Yeah they are all better than me. But let's get serious. You can bowl better than 151 and 160 just throwing it straight. I bet if WRW was on the show and had 100 games to bowl, he still wouldn't bowl no 160. That was truly embarrassing for professional bowling today.
The only person I respect on the whole telecast as a legitamate elite bowler / athlete is Robert Smith.
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Post by: Let It Bleed on November 25, 2007, 04:26:54 PM
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Yeah I know the lane condition is hard. Yeah I have bowled in PBA patterns and even harder patterns. Yeah they are all better than me. But let's get serious. You can bowl better than 151 and 160 just throwing it straight. I bet if WRW was on the show and had 100 games to bowl, he still wouldn't bowl no 160. That was truly embarrassing for professional bowling today.
The only person I respect on the whole telecast as a legitamate elite bowler / athlete is Robert Smith.
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I agree man. I used to support Barnes and considered him a top 3 or top 5 bowler. But I don't think he is choking. I just think he isn't that good anymore.
He must be not good on Thursdays and Fridays as well...because I guess 3 shows in a row are what 'people who just don't have it anymore' tend to do
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Post by: MAJM on November 25, 2007, 04:41:16 PM
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The only person I respect on the whole telecast as a legitamate elite bowler / athlete is Robert Smith.
Robert Smith is better than I will ever be, but grip it and rip it is not talent.
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Post by: NicholasE on November 25, 2007, 04:55:11 PM
quote:quote:
The only person I respect on the whole telecast as a legitamate elite bowler / athlete is Robert Smith.
Robert Smith is better than I will ever be, but grip it and rip it is not talent.
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You have to have some aiming skills?
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Post by: MAJM on November 25, 2007, 05:04:00 PM
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You have to have some aiming skills?
True, which Robert has being a pro. But to basically say that the only person on todays show that is an elite bowler is Robert is a joke. Lofting the ball over the left gutter isn't talent. It's a last resort.
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Post by: MAJM on November 25, 2007, 05:06:31 PM
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He played the lanes as anybody would with his rev rate. I was thinking that Barnes could have done that. He is very capable of it. As far as "grip and rip isn't talent" your an idiot. He is former junior and adult team usa along with all those titles because of his talent.
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I didn't say Robert wasn't a talent. Look at what I said, I said grip it and rip it isn't talent. What I said has nothing to do with Robert. I responded to the first post that the only elite bowler on the show was Robert based on the fact he threw it over the left gutter in a grip it a rip it style.
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Post by: tonybowls on November 25, 2007, 05:11:55 PM
Post by: baseballfrk8998 on November 25, 2007, 07:22:00 PM
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You have to have some aiming skills?
True, which Robert has being a pro. But to basically say that the only person on todays show that is an elite bowler is Robert is a joke. Lofting the ball over the left gutter isn't talent. It's a last resort.
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It wasn't a last resort, it's how he plays the lanes. You've got to be kidding me. With 550+ revs, throwing it up the right side would be a last resort. Lol.
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Post by: renoatpikeville on November 25, 2007, 07:24:59 PM
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Post by: shelley on November 25, 2007, 07:34:08 PM
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It wasn't a last resort, it's how he plays the lanes. You've got to be kidding me. With 550+ revs, throwing it up the right side would be a last resort. Lol.
Like all the best bowlers, they play the lanes as the lanes want to be played. If that means the right side, that's what he plays. If that means 7th arrow, that's what he does. He can play where he wants to. 550+ revs aren't necessarily a problem if you throw it 20+ mph, it's about matching your speed to your revs to the lanes. Robert is good enough to do those things.
SH
Post by: MAJM on November 25, 2007, 08:22:09 PM
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LOL.... can you hit the 35 board over the gutter cap repeatedly and carry?
"Talent = a special natural ability or aptitude" OR "Skill = is the learnt capacity or talent to carry out pre-determined results"
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It wasn't a last resort, it's how he plays the lanes. You've got to be kidding me. With 550+ revs, throwing it up the right side would be a last resort. Lol.
Again people I'm not knocking Robert Smith AT ALL. I respect his abilities and the fact he is able to find areas to play that not many others can. That being said, I made my comments directed at Necromancer and the remark "The only person I respect on the whole telecast as a legitamate elite bowler / athlete is Robert Smith." Robert gets more "respect" because he played the lanes this way and everyone else on the telecast is a bum? And the fact that Necromancer would make this comment about Chris Barnes:
quote:Someone doesn't watch alot of bowling. Not good? Wow. Ask alot of bowlers if they would love to have the pro career that Barnes is having. It's not physical with Chris, just some weird mental issues.
"I agree man. I used to support Barnes and considered him a top 3 or top 5 bowler. But I don't think he is choking. I just think he isn't that good anymore. He has been using the same game his whole career (mostly straight, fast, with lots of spin, and about 2 boards from the 20)."
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Post by: LuckyLefty on November 25, 2007, 08:35:26 PM
1. Mika really found a shot outside with his Fury and would have been real dangerous if he went on.
2. Chris Barnes really was throwing a beautiful shot(no mashes into the lane like he usually does when he loses) and I thought he needed a ball set up for backend and instead had a ball set up for midlane and seemed to not have much backend after a lot of midlane read. He also had about as much bad luck as a person could have in five frames! Luckily he is a pro and was able to get to 150!
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Post by: Scolai on November 25, 2007, 08:53:01 PM
I was a bit surprised by the scores on today's show. Angelo was the beneficiary of the fact that Barnes sucks on TV lately, otherwise any other bowler would have sent him packing in the 3rd match.
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Post by: Dan Belcher on November 25, 2007, 09:48:28 PM
quote:Absolutely. You can take a look at where his ball landed after lofting it--he never missed his target at the arrows by more than a board the entire match basically, and it always landed at the same distance. Incredible accuracy for such a high rev rate!
What make sme sick, are those that come on here and say that someone on tour has no accuracy just because of his rev rate. Those are the same people that have no idea just how accurate you have to be to be successful out on Tour. For the record, I believe that Robert Smith has a US Open to his credit and made the show of another one about 2 or 3 years ago. Granted he threw it bad on that show. But, so did TJ and he ended up winning because he carried a couple brooklyns. Robert is not spray and pray people.
Post by: Necromancer on November 26, 2007, 04:33:52 AM
The reason I respect Robert Smith is because he is the most versatile out of all of them. As for me not watching enough or whatever is also ignorant. I have bowled with these people and have been to telecasts (not just sitting on the couch watching it). Also, making the telecast 3 straight weeks is good but not great. You don't win by just making it to the telecast.
And yes again, they are all better than me by far. And yes again, I never said I'd do better.
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Post by: scotts33 on November 26, 2007, 05:33:23 AM
As far as Robert being the most versatile I'd disagree. Duke, WRW and a few others I think of as versatile. Smith can be shut out lots of time when his high rev style doesn't match up. Great bowler none the less..wows the kids with his revs as pchee wowed the chicks with his.
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Post by: tdub36tjt on November 26, 2007, 05:51:52 AM
He had tried a line further to the right with no success the whole beginning of the match. I can see why he would continue with that ball on the right lane because he was striking SOME. But try a ball change on the left lane I thought it was fairly obvious he needed more ball and to get deeper on the left lane. That line he was playing just was too much over under making it an extremly tight line with little to no carry.
It appeared to me that he was being stubborn and just thought there was no way he was playing the wrong line and that he was just getting robbed. Maybe he made that decision because everyone says he overthinks it. The guy has made a great career on making great adjustments and making shots, but I think he doesn't trust himself while on TV. I think if he just trusted what he was thinking he would be much better off. I just have a hard time believing he made all the adjustments he thought might work. I bet he second guessed some adjustment ideas and ignored them when they very well might have worked. Just my opinion.
Post by: Fluff E Bunnie on November 26, 2007, 07:12:33 AM
I thought Angelo did great but I figured Smith would beat him unless he had a split problem.
Barnes... Ugh. I am starting to get tired of watching this guy sulk and whine.
With Mika, damn he had a nice look once he figured it out. I would have liked to have seen him vs. Smith.
Post by: The SuperHitMan on November 26, 2007, 07:38:37 AM
Straighter isn't always greater.
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Post by: Fluff E Bunnie on November 26, 2007, 07:41:11 AM
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The way people are talking its never a good show when the advantage is to the "Rob Smiths" of the tour and the straight players couldn't hit water if they fell outta boat.
Straighter isn't always greater.
Well, look at what Mika had but it was too late. Unfortunately, we will never know what would have happened if Mika would have gotten there.
Post by: Myrrodin on November 26, 2007, 04:45:20 PM
As for everyone else, you have to look at what they are trying to do. When you are bowling for a title like that, you either need to out execute your opponents from the same area, or find a look they don't have. Mika trying for the different look option since he has great control of loft and that is probably where he played much of the week, but he had to adjust his look and by then it was too late with Angelo bowling so well. Chris Barnes could have gone in, but I don't think he could have gotten the same look as Angelo due to how Brad throws the ball, and he obviously didn't like his look from inside. Plus, after seeing Mika figure out an outside shot, he probably felt there would be something out there for him to find, and this would also give him a different look against Robert Smith. Unfortunately for him, it didn't pan out. Smith likely decided after seeing two straight players struggle (except the later part of Mika's game) and with his rev rate and physical abilities, he should get in, but he should find a different part of the inside. He did so, and guessed right.
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Post by: TWOHAND834 on November 26, 2007, 05:18:29 PM
You are right. It is not "illegal" to criticize. But, in todays world, when you do criticize someone, you almost tend to get more in return. My remarks had to do with someone who mentioned on this topic, that "grip it and rip it is not talent". IMO, you have to be physically talented in order to throw it the way he does. He rips the bejesus out of it. But, at the same time, he is in total control over his body and pretty solid at the line. He does not fall over himself trying to get the rev rate.I made one remark about Eugene's "f" bomb and I got alot of crap for it. It just happens I am afraid.
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Post by: ccrider on November 26, 2007, 05:24:17 PM
Not saying that this justifies a 150 or 160 from the elite players in the game, but I sure as H understand it.
By the way, my 10 year old son watched the match with me. He said he could have won that game.
Post by: novawagonmaster on November 26, 2007, 08:41:32 PM
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By the way, my 10 year old son watched the match with me. He said he could have won that game.
Yeah, I bet alot of hacks said the same thing!
I bowl with a ton of guys who just don't know what they don't know, and yet they flat out refuse bowl a PBA experience league to find out.
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Post by: Necromancer on November 27, 2007, 01:02:56 PM
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And don't forget, if I remember right, Smith didn't miss one single pin spare during the week - so he has 'some' accuracy.
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