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2 handers bowling well in US Open
« on: February 16, 2005, 07:00:25 AM »
Im sure everyone knows that Osku Palerma uses both hands, as he was on the TV show last year in the US Open, after 12 games of B and C bowling he is in 13th. But I bet few have heard of Brian Valenta. Currently he is in 6th place. He to uses both hands similar to Osku,and they both are very smooth with TONS of power, the main difference is Valenta shoots his spares including 10 pins 2 handed. Anyway Valenta is an unbelievable talent he bowls college at Lindenwood University near St.Louis, I have had the pleasure of watching him this past year in 3 different college tournaments and WOW!!!! I have seen him play coast to coast one day and the 2 board the next day. Wouldnt be something for those 2 to make the telecast!!!!! Is 2 handed the new wave of the future????? Only time will tell!!!!

 

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Re: 2 handers bowling well in US Open
« Reply #16 on: February 16, 2005, 11:02:12 PM »

so is the advantage of two-handed the huge rev rate?  can't be accuracy.  

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Re: 2 handers bowling well in US Open
« Reply #17 on: February 16, 2005, 11:11:52 PM »
Overhand, you'd be surprised how accurate some 2-handers are.  I've come across Mr. Valenta at a few college tournaments and he can flat out play.  If he needs to swing the lane he will, if its hard and straight up the boards he can do that too.  He didn't make Junior Team USA with a spray-n-pray game.
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Re: 2 handers bowling well in US Open
« Reply #18 on: February 16, 2005, 11:40:04 PM »
Jim Pratt is a PBA exempt bowler and he uses no thumb delivery.

Brian Himmler can bowl with the 2 handed delivery also. I saw in a tournament years ago where he ripped his thumb open and had to finish with the 2 hand release and he shoots 230 something to win his match....

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Re: 2 handers bowling well in US Open
« Reply #19 on: February 16, 2005, 11:44:51 PM »
You guys didn't think we could get through this topic without me posting anything did we?  I have been throwing this way since 1997.  There are advantages of using this method.  HOWEVER....it is not for everybody.  You need alot of flexibility to bowl this way.  I am 5'7, 135.  So, needless to say, not alot of fat there.  My brother uses the method also.  He is 6 foot, 170.  The advantages of doing this, is that it creates a way for guys who do not have alot of strength in their wrist to generate revs WITHOUT putting the strain on your wrist due to the weight of the ball resting in the opposite hand for a longer period of time.  Also...it can increase versatility in that now a once one-dimensional player has the ability to use the entire lane.  It can be just as easy to have a 20 mph ball speed as it is to have a 15 mph ball speed.  EXAMPLE:  Using an Intense Inferno, I throw the ball 18 mph with a 570 rpm rate ball rolling over 15 at the arrows with a BREAKPOINT OF 7.  Result.....10 pin.  MY ADJUSTMENT:  Same ball, move 5 left with my feet, target 18 at the arrows with a breakpoint of around 10, but slow down to 16 mph with a 525 rev rate (most times the softer you throw the ball, the less you get on the ball rev rate wise), the ball reads the midlane better creating a "bigger pocket".  Result.....all 10 in the pit.  Same can be reverse.  Drier lanes, increase ball speed for greater length with big backend reaction.  GRANTED.....one handers can do the same thing.  But, I think two handers, due to increased rev rate and versatility, can have an advantage on most lane conditions.  I am a prime example.  I bowled one handed for 12 years before switching over.  I averaged around 210-215 in most houses.  My problem was that I was a 250 rpm rev rate player, so I could not venture off the gutter very far at the time, because I simply could not open the lane up if the gutter got to be too dry (did not have the rev rate to get the ball to recover if I had to play inside).  Now, I am consistently around 230 due to the fact that with my rev rate doubling, I can play as deep as I need to and be fine not having to worry about the ball not recovering.  I will be the first one to say that I am not the most accurate guy in the world, but I do not spray the ball all over the world either.  There are some advantages, but also some disadvantages (playing on burnt lane conditions).  That is why if you choose to try the two handed method, keep practicing using the one handed method for those fried conditions, so that when you do encounter them, putting your thumb back in the ball won't feel strange to you.  ONE MORE THING..........you simply cannot generate more revs with the opposite hand unless it is on top of the ball during the approach and at release. The opposite hand has to come off the ball before release in order for the ball to come off the hand clean enough to generate revs AND speed.  If anyone has questions, message me anytime.  I will be more than happy to answer anything sent my way.
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Re: 2 handers bowling well in US Open
« Reply #20 on: February 18, 2005, 04:38:05 PM »
I had a guy from this site in Florida contact me.

Wanted to know the name of the two hander I saw there.

I forgot!

But he knew he who was and told me!

Anyway I asked if he was bowling well.

His reply,...."Oh I don't know last time I saw him he was shooting about 800 at one of local houses with a white dot that night!"

Yes it is an easy house.

But the day I saw him beat the strongman above it was after many games and matches and the heads were bone dry!

He ATE them up!

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Re: 2 handers bowling well in US Open
« Reply #21 on: February 25, 2005, 07:29:24 AM »
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this coming from a guy with the name "NOTHUMB".... haha j/k man, it was too easy not to say anything  


Its cool. I cant really vouch over the internet without a vid, but if you watched my game you wouldnt think I threw without my thumb. I really have no way to prove that but its true. I have a relatively normal style---just without a thumb. I can tame it down to low level tweener or up to full level cranker. Its an advantage for me in that Im actually more accurate NOTHUMB, than with the thumb.

As for the topic at hand...
The advantage for myself and for two handers is originally rev-rate. However if you can fine tune your game, make it more versatile, make it more consistent---you can transcend other peoples games. It is the ultimate advantage. Take my rev rate and the "normal persons" accuracy (which Im definitely above average in accuracy) and what do you have??? Alot of wins and alot of opponents coming in feeling that they are defeated before they start. Intimidation is a beautiful thing---even when as a person I dont appear that intimidating.

You can lump me in with the 2 handers based on unusual style---but please dont lump me with everyone who youve seen throw NOTHUMB or 2 hands. Im just not in that mold mentally.
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Re: 2 handers bowling well in US Open
« Reply #22 on: February 25, 2005, 07:31:15 AM »
By the way, something else that I noticed with the local 2 hander---he physically couldnt go straight. He always had to bounce the shot out at least a few boards. This killed him when he went out to regionals. He averaged 230 in this area and went to regionals and never averaged over 180.
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Re: 2 handers bowling well in US Open
« Reply #23 on: February 25, 2005, 12:12:23 PM »
Well Osku and Valenta can both go very straight(As well as myself when I use my two handed release, playing straighter around 19-20 mph off the hand is alot easier than going coast to coast for me because the speed is so high).  I have seen Valenta play the one board.  There's not many traditional players that can play the one board.
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Re: 2 handers bowling well in US Open
« Reply #24 on: February 25, 2005, 12:28:37 PM »
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There's not many traditional players that can play the one board.



You arent kidding about that.

I love it when people in this area move "right" and feel like they are playing farther out than they are. I have a buddy who says "I was playing 6-3"---yeah his ball never gets right of 10. I know some people see things differently---but 5 boards different---thats gotta mess someone up.
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Re: 2 handers bowling well in US Open
« Reply #25 on: February 25, 2005, 12:39:22 PM »
When I practiced trying to throw 2 handed just messing around, my problem was that I could not get my speed up high enough to play outside of 15. Even with my thumb in the ball, i still couldn't get up very high, only around 16 or 17 on quibica. I still practice every once in a while just in case I ever run into a complete oil mongrel house.
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Re: 2 handers bowling well in US Open
« Reply #26 on: February 25, 2005, 01:02:56 PM »
I wouldn't categorize bowling with no thumb as "intimidating" in any setting... why would anyone consider it more intimidating than any other style?  Makes no sense to me... but then again, DP3 can get a show going at Cap without his thumb.  You're the man!
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Re: 2 handers bowling well in US Open
« Reply #27 on: February 25, 2005, 07:56:14 PM »
I preface this by saying---this is going to sound bad.

Maybe the people I am bowling are intimidated by more than the fact that I throw NOTHUMB. How about my average, how about my intensity, how about my teams aura of confidence, etc, etc, etc. I never said they are intimidated by the fact that I throw NOTHUMB---they are intimidated by the total package.

I know that not everyone will roll over because its me. I also know that I have alot of opponents who think they will lose before the night even starts---that is quite an advantage to have.
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Re: 2 handers bowling well in US Open
« Reply #28 on: February 26, 2005, 11:32:26 AM »
There are thousands of bowlers across America that have the qualities you describe.
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