Post by: Track900 on February 16, 2005, 07:00:25 AM
Post by: Bluff on February 16, 2005, 03:33:08 PM
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Honestly I got a lot of balls. Not kidding.
Post by: oooink on February 16, 2005, 03:37:33 PM
Post by: Bluff on February 16, 2005, 03:55:08 PM
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Honestly I got a lot of balls. Not kidding.
Post by: Walking E on February 16, 2005, 03:57:04 PM
Even worse, they can kick my tail doing it! D'oh!
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You weren't unlucky when you left that corner pin, so shut up about it already!!
Post by: LuckyLefty on February 16, 2005, 05:12:07 PM
Two handed bowling is the wave of the future.
If left alone when they start at 3 or 4 kids will gravitate to this on their own.
How do I know because my son did it! At age 4 when he decided he wanted a heavier ball. Just before age 5 he shot 192 with a 10 pound plastic. I never talked to him about it. Was averaging about 110 or 115 in Yaba at age 5 1/2 or 6 and throwing like this. Some nice lady coaching Yaba wouldn't let him throw like this she made him throw one hand like she did booking her 156! I lost my proverbial Irish when I found out about it as I never coached him and just let him do what was natural for him!
He went from about 12 mph and about 17 revs to 3 revs and a cloud of dust.
Subsequent to seeing this I saw a 13 year old make about $100,000 over two years in SouthFlorida throwing two handed. If he missed right he hit it harder with his left hand and hooked it more. If he pulled it he decreased the revs with his left hand and went almost straight.
Much like the two handed backend in tennis this method allows one to adjust at the last second via the push of the extra hand.
This 5'11" little stringbean at 125 I watched whip a 6 foot 280 pound strong man with a 16 inch forearm in the finals of one tourney by throwing about a 247 against the strongmans 217. While he had one foot of area at the arrows and almost 2 feet at the breakpoint. Muscle man had about a board and a half at the arrows.
Two hands ARE better than one. Logic tells us this but we want to look pretty so we keep doing it the way we do it! The two handed backhand in tennis proved the wisdom of this.
REgards,
LUckylefty
Post by: Bluff on February 16, 2005, 05:17:52 PM
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I've posted it here many a time in the past.
Two handed bowling is the wave of the future.
If left alone when they start at 3 or 4 kids will gravitate to this on their own.
How do I know because my son did it! At age 4 when he decided he wanted a heavier ball. Just before age 5 he shot 192 with a 10 pound plastic. I never talked to him about it. Was averaging about 110 or 115 in Yaba at age 5 1/2 or 6 and throwing like this. Some nice lady coaching Yaba wouldn't let him throw like this she made him throw one hand like she did booking her 156! I lost my proverbial Irish when I found out about it as I never coached him and just let him do what was natural for him!
He went from about 12 mph and about 17 revs to 3 revs and a cloud of dust.
Subsequent to seeing this I saw a 13 year old make about $100,000 over two years in SouthFlorida throwing two handed. If he missed right he hit it harder with his left hand and hooked it more. If he pulled it he decreased the revs with his left hand and went almost straight.
Much like the two handed backend in tennis this method allows one to adjust at the last second via the push of the extra hand.
This 5'11" little stringbean at 125 I watched whip a 6 foot 280 pound strong man with a 16 inch forearm in the finals of one tourney by throwing about a 247 against the strongmans 217. While he had one foot of area at the arrows and almost 2 feet at the breakpoint. Muscle man had about a board and a half at the arrows.
Two hands ARE better than one. Logic tells us this but we want to look pretty so we keep doing it the way we do it! The two handed backhand in tennis proved the wisdom of this.
REgards,
LUckylefty
Yup you post it year ago hehehe
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Post by: a_ak57 on February 16, 2005, 05:20:23 PM
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Two hands ARE better than one. Logic tells us this but we want to look pretty so we keep doing it the way we do it! The two handed backhand in tennis proved the wisdom of this.
REgards,
LUckylefty
Very well said, lefty, and INCREDIBLY true. People think of 2 handed bowling as disgusting, but maybe that's because they are getting whooped by the people doing it?
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Post by: Walking E on February 16, 2005, 05:28:46 PM
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Very well said, lefty, and INCREDIBLY true. People think of 2 handed bowling as disgusting, but maybe that's because they are getting whooped by the people doing it?
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Not in my case - I've never bowled against a two-hander. I just think it looks too amateurish. Then again, I felt the same way when I saw the no-thumb bowlers like Mike Miller and Bob Vespi on TV. I mean, most bowlers who were taught to bowl one-handed and with a thumb will only do these other styles to goof off, so it looks like a goof-off way of doing things to me.
So if ABC requires a differentiation between RIGHT and LEFT book and sheet averages, will there be a new classification for TWO-HANDED?
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You weren't unlucky when you left that corner pin, so shut up about it already!!
Post by: axeweldr on February 16, 2005, 05:32:54 PM
John
Post by: Walking E on February 16, 2005, 05:35:46 PM
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Bob Vespi did use his thumb. He was double jointed, so he would dislocate his thumb, when he set up in the ball. I remember the announcers talking about him, and showing a close up of his hand cupping the ball. Just thought I would clear the air on the one.
John
Oops - my mistake!
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You weren't unlucky when you left that corner pin, so shut up about it already!!
Post by: axeweldr on February 16, 2005, 05:38:04 PM
John
Post by: Platinum Bowler on February 16, 2005, 09:33:10 PM
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Post by: mrtappedalot on February 16, 2005, 10:32:12 PM
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So if ABC requires a differentiation between RIGHT and LEFT book and sheet averages, will there be a new classification for TWO-HANDED?
I believe (if I remember the ABC rules correctly) that you can only use one hand, and one hand only when bowling. So technically, these guys aren't bowling two-handed, but obviously the non-bowling hand is pulled off the ball a split second before release; that's why its legal. So that's how that goes.
As for it being the wave of the future; I can see some people doing it, but if it was really THAT big of an advantage, we would have seen many more people doing it by now.
Many two-handed bowlers I see out there are just guys who swing the living daylights out of the ball on THS and let the wall do the work. I'm sure Osku and Brian are exceptions obviously to most others out there. And while I see two-handed bowlers making it in events here and there, I really don't think it will ever become that big of a faction.
Post by: NOTHUMB on February 16, 2005, 10:52:26 PM
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Post by: Overhand on February 16, 2005, 11:02:12 PM
so is the advantage of two-handed the huge rev rate? can't be accuracy.
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Post by: WSUstroker on February 16, 2005, 11:11:52 PM
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Post by: StormRoto on February 16, 2005, 11:40:04 PM
Brian Himmler can bowl with the 2 handed delivery also. I saw in a tournament years ago where he ripped his thumb open and had to finish with the 2 hand release and he shoots 230 something to win his match....
Post by: TWOHAND834 on February 16, 2005, 11:44:51 PM
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Post by: LuckyLefty on February 18, 2005, 04:38:05 PM
Wanted to know the name of the two hander I saw there.
I forgot!
But he knew he who was and told me!
Anyway I asked if he was bowling well.
His reply,...."Oh I don't know last time I saw him he was shooting about 800 at one of local houses with a white dot that night!"
Yes it is an easy house.
But the day I saw him beat the strongman above it was after many games and matches and the heads were bone dry!
He ATE them up!
REgards,
Luckylefty
Post by: NOTHUMB on February 25, 2005, 07:29:24 AM
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this coming from a guy with the name "NOTHUMB".... haha j/k man, it was too easy not to say anything
Its cool. I cant really vouch over the internet without a vid, but if you watched my game you wouldnt think I threw without my thumb. I really have no way to prove that but its true. I have a relatively normal style---just without a thumb. I can tame it down to low level tweener or up to full level cranker. Its an advantage for me in that Im actually more accurate NOTHUMB, than with the thumb.
As for the topic at hand...
The advantage for myself and for two handers is originally rev-rate. However if you can fine tune your game, make it more versatile, make it more consistent---you can transcend other peoples games. It is the ultimate advantage. Take my rev rate and the "normal persons" accuracy (which Im definitely above average in accuracy) and what do you have??? Alot of wins and alot of opponents coming in feeling that they are defeated before they start. Intimidation is a beautiful thing---even when as a person I dont appear that intimidating.
You can lump me in with the 2 handers based on unusual style---but please dont lump me with everyone who youve seen throw NOTHUMB or 2 hands. Im just not in that mold mentally.
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Post by: NOTHUMB on February 25, 2005, 07:31:15 AM
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Post by: DP3 on February 25, 2005, 12:12:23 PM
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Post by: NOTHUMB on February 25, 2005, 12:28:37 PM
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There's not many traditional players that can play the one board.
You arent kidding about that.
I love it when people in this area move "right" and feel like they are playing farther out than they are. I have a buddy who says "I was playing 6-3"---yeah his ball never gets right of 10. I know some people see things differently---but 5 boards different---thats gotta mess someone up.
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Post by: stanski on February 25, 2005, 12:39:22 PM
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Post by: ckchappy on February 25, 2005, 01:02:56 PM
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Post by: NOTHUMB on February 25, 2005, 07:56:14 PM
Maybe the people I am bowling are intimidated by more than the fact that I throw NOTHUMB. How about my average, how about my intensity, how about my teams aura of confidence, etc, etc, etc. I never said they are intimidated by the fact that I throw NOTHUMB---they are intimidated by the total package.
I know that not everyone will roll over because its me. I also know that I have alot of opponents who think they will lose before the night even starts---that is quite an advantage to have.
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Edited on 2/25/2005 8:53 PM
Post by: ckchappy on February 26, 2005, 11:32:26 AM
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