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a_ak57

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A PBA bowler, and a couple luck breaks today
« on: November 21, 2004, 04:05:42 AM »
That guy Rick Lawrence got some crazy breaks!  That one shot was even high for a brooklyn, and on another shot he really should have left the 6-7-10.

Too bad for walter, he has to wait for another day.

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Re: A PBA bowler, and a couple luck breaks today
« Reply #31 on: November 22, 2004, 08:50:47 AM »
I too congratule Rick Lawrence on winning his 2nd PBA title! And yes, he got it done...Period. And I agree with the person that said, "Even with his style of play, he did make it through the whole field to win the title." Boy did he show composure up there.

By the looks of the camera work after the match, it did look like Walter "Dissed," Rick after it looked like trying to shake his hand. I was pretty dissapointed with that. Maybe they shook hands later on in the day...


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Re: A PBA bowler, and a couple luck breaks today
« Reply #32 on: November 22, 2004, 10:18:33 AM »
Here is a quote from IceEmQuick in this post--"I bet I can go through and find strikes that WRWjr should have not gotten. The fact is I see everyone calling this mans game week, but he went through the same field that EVERYONE else did, and he won."

I do NOT agree with this at all.  Walter Ray's had 1 lucky shot in the game against lawerence and that was when the 6 barely tapped out the 10 pin but it still was a pocket shot.  As up to now every pba telecast of this year on espn, I haven't seen a lucky strike like the 2 rick lawerence had.  I am not dissing rick because he did throw a lot of great shots especially in the last game against angelo.  The part I MAJORLY DISAGREE with in IceEmQuick's reply is the part that lawerence went through the same field as everyone else.  If you watch the show again, his opponents in matchplay only averaged 204 against him.  That is extremely low for the matchplay portion of the tournament.  So I don't see how you can say he went through the same field as walter ray or the others when walter averaged 240 to get there.  But like they always say better to be lucky than good.
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Re: A PBA bowler, and a couple luck breaks today
« Reply #33 on: November 22, 2004, 10:39:29 AM »
iketown300,

what they average doesn't mean squat when it comes to the TV show. Lawrence still had to go thru match play and beat 4 opponent's in the best of 7 games to make the show, which he did..

Like I said before, big deal that Lawrence got 2 breaks, he still beat WRW and then destroyed that big baby Angelo..

Its not like he is a rookie.. He has been out there putting in his time and dues for 15 years, so why can't people just be happy for the guy..
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Re: A PBA bowler, and a couple luck breaks today
« Reply #34 on: November 22, 2004, 10:50:37 AM »
To get to the tv show they have to go through matchplay.  And if your opponents only average 204 against you, means you only have to shoot 205 the whole tournament to make it to the tv show right?  right.  He did win the title and am not taking away anything from him.  I just don't understand how you can say big whoop on that he got 2 breaks.  That is pure luck.  And if all he did was get 9 on those 2 shots then he would have lost the match to WRW.  I am not taking sides although walter is my favorite bowler he should have switched balls are something to get rid of the 10 pin.  I am just stating the facts of the match.
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Re: A PBA bowler, and a couple luck breaks today
« Reply #35 on: November 22, 2004, 10:50:52 AM »
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To the untrained eye, it looks like he has no backswing and gets about 3 or 4 revs (which you can count watching the ball going down the lane), all of which are provided by a robo-brace.
 

Soooo, what's wrong with that? I too have almost no back swing and low revs and wear a Moro Extended Pro-Release.
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Re: A PBA bowler, and a couple luck breaks today
« Reply #36 on: November 22, 2004, 10:56:56 AM »
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Those two nose jobs which resulted in strikes really made me want to puke, and completely ruined the show. For WRW to lose in that fashion, after all the hype about history in the making, was very depressing.
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WRW lost because he was using the wrong ball and not because of two of Lawrence's strikes. The backend on WRW's ball was almost nil. I'm really surprised that a man of his caliber with his experience and knowledge, that he stayed with a ball that had no backend.
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Re: A PBA bowler, and a couple luck breaks today
« Reply #37 on: November 22, 2004, 11:00:08 AM »
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Man, I just got home from traveling league and read this post and can't believe all the comments about Lawrence getting all the breaks and how he throws the ball like crap, etc.. Big deal if he got a couple of breaks, I guess Walter Ray has never gotten a break before has he?? Come on..

jkiser, that's exactly the way I see it too. You spoke for both of us here.
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Re: A PBA bowler, and a couple luck breaks today
« Reply #38 on: November 22, 2004, 11:01:47 AM »
iketown300,

Bowling is a game of skill and some luck. Lawrence got 2 lucky strikes and once again I say so what.. I almost guarantee WRW got some breaks to even make it to the show. Its not like WRW's game is not full of some luck, everyone gets breaks, period..

Lawrence thru the ball very well (except those 2 lucky shots that you are talking abut) and deserved to win..
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Re: A PBA bowler, and a couple luck breaks today
« Reply #39 on: November 22, 2004, 11:02:31 AM »
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Soooo, what's wrong with that? I too have almost no back swing and low revs and wear a Robbys Extended Pro-Release.

Hey Brick, when you tell me you're taking your no-rev, robo-assisted game out on tour, I'll let ya know what's wrong with that.

Wow, you guys are so nice! If I slammed the pocket 9 out of 10 frames, and got beat by some guy with a dial-a-hook, who tripped not one, but two three-pin split leaves (what, the trip 2-7-10 and the trip 6-7-10???), I'd be jumping up and down like a maniac! You guys would go buy him a beer and pat him on the back!

Must be a New York thing, we're just not that nice.
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Re: A PBA bowler, and a couple luck breaks today
« Reply #40 on: November 22, 2004, 11:10:41 AM »
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You are so right!! I kind of lost the taste for bowling now after what WRW did to Rick on national TV. I

Robert, You are so right, here. I see it the same way. In fact I've personally experienced it first hand in the past towards amueters when WRW bowled in the Pro-Am where I live. In fact I was his partner in one of them. Ozio and Baker were great. WRW was a.........well you get the point.
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Re: A PBA bowler, and a couple luck breaks today
« Reply #41 on: November 22, 2004, 11:11:41 AM »
Well we can't go by what we don't see.  I didn't see the matchplay games of walter or rick or any of the others for that matter.  Logically they all probably had a couple of breaks.  But I am not talking about that.  I just go by what i saw on the telecast.
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Re: A PBA bowler, and a couple luck breaks today
« Reply #42 on: November 22, 2004, 11:28:42 AM »
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I just don't understand how you can say big whoop on that he got 2 breaks.

Ike, do you honestly think WRW has never had any lucky breaks to win a match?... Come on, all people get breaks in bowling, not just Rick Lawrence. I think the problem with yesterdays match and today's WRW whiners is that there was an opportunity there for history to be made and it didn't happen, but could have happened if WRW would have changed balls when it was plain as day that his ball was going almost straight, hardly hooking, and had no backend.

Relax everyone, this isn't the end of the world or WRW's chances to still accomplish 41 wins followed by more. WRW will have many more chances if he will use better judgement in the future to change balls when the one he is using  isn't working.
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Re: A PBA bowler, and a couple luck breaks today
« Reply #43 on: November 22, 2004, 11:50:11 AM »
OK, here's what I saw on the telecast yesterday.

1. Angelo is coached by Baker - no foul, no penalty.

2. WRW fouls - no call, no penalty.

3. Lawrence shot better than his opponents all week.  Check the rules guys, it doesn't say you have to shoot better than the field, it doesn't say it has to be pretty, it does say you have to beat your opponent.  Lawrence did that. Me, if I could get the ball to roll the way he does I'd be thrilled.  You say he had no revs?  Hmm, "skid, roll, hook."  Isn't that what his ball did?  You take a bit of loft, some speed and the pattern and you get early skid (i.e.,no revs early), ball reads dry and picks up enough roll (revs) to carry when flush (or even when not sometimes).  Ball hooks into pocket and carries.  And when he hit the hole did it appear to you that it hit with authority?  Seemed that way to me.  

4. WRW has a crappy ball reaction, gets one break on a soft 10 that gets tapped out, but won't change balls.  I'd surmise that in his head "it was all the fault of the lousy approach."
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Re: A PBA bowler, and a couple luck breaks today
« Reply #44 on: November 22, 2004, 11:59:23 AM »
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Hey Brick, when you tell me you're taking your no-rev, robo-assisted game out on tour, I'll let ya know what's wrong with that.  

Seadrive, why wait until I get on the tour, (which will never happen..lol) come to where I bowl and tell me what's wrong now.

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Re: A PBA bowler, and a couple luck breaks today
« Reply #45 on: November 22, 2004, 12:02:07 PM »
I never said in any post that walter never got a break and if you actually check out another post that i did, i actually wrote about the same lucky break that walter go on the weak 10.  But I don't think i can ever recall walter ray going through the nose twice to get strike ON TELEVISION.  Can't say for matchplay or qualifying rounds of previous years.  Like I said I can only speak for what i saw on television.
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