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Rantings

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A possible solution for the PBA
« on: November 24, 2010, 04:00:28 AM »
Just an idea. I'm not sure this is original even.

 Would the PBA benefit joining with the USBC membership on a Tour that would include both a male version and a female version? Say have a $5.00 fee added to the dues and give the bowling public ownership under USBC guidance? Having the money go toward prize funds. This might be simplistic but it would generate money needed for the PBA to grow? You could have both the tours in the same city at the same time on certain dates and have the winner of their respective events bowl against each other. Many possiblities.
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Re: A possible solution for the PBA
« Reply #16 on: November 24, 2010, 12:54:02 PM »
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the PBA will not let go of any control whatsoever


Nothing further needs to be said.  Until the above fact changes, nothing will improve.  Black and white.
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Re: A possible solution for the PBA
« Reply #17 on: November 24, 2010, 12:58:06 PM »
To me the PBA saying no is not valid when they are two steps away from being non-existent. I got to believe they are looking for a solution to get them back on track.
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Re: A possible solution for the PBA
« Reply #18 on: November 24, 2010, 01:02:21 PM »
Screw the PBA.  I'm not paying extra so that the pros can have a bigger prize fund.  If they want me to pay extra it better be for MY bigger prize fund.  Yea it's tough when you only win a few grand in a tournament, but you know what, it's tough when I only make a couple hundred dollars a week right now too.  

I get what they wanted to do with the exempt tour, getting people to find a favorite bowler and back them and get ratings up, and blah blah blah...it failed.  Try something else or shut down the National Tour.  Regionals are just fine for a lot of people.
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Re: A possible solution for the PBA
« Reply #19 on: November 24, 2010, 01:13:49 PM »
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The events are open to everyone, that is what the TQR is for. You pay $300 to bowl against LESSER bowlers to get into the tournament. The TQR has a PRIZE FUND for the bowlers who did not get into the main event. If you bowl well enough and get into the main event, you are GUARANTEED A CHECK mo matter where you finish.

Go ahead and pay $500 with no guarantee of any money. The TQR is the sensible option to attract more bowlers. Some people do not understand it at all.

 


i see people bowl every squad of scratch tournaments to win $2000 paying $250 to get into match play.  so for me paying $500 to win $25000 is a pretty good ratio.  

you always need the people that donate.  the TQR might be a sensible solution but how many people actually bowl the TQR's? let's compare:

last year cheetah championship 150 entries
this year cheetah championship 250 entries

now this has alot to do with the venue and the WSOB but what happens when you have the Masters or the Open? how many entries are there? 400-600?

that's my point
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Re: A possible solution for the PBA
« Reply #20 on: November 24, 2010, 01:16:13 PM »
The regionals will not survive without the PBA tour. That is the goal of better bowlers in the regionals to get to the show. Lose the major you lose the minor league system called the PBA regions.
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Re: A possible solution for the PBA
« Reply #21 on: November 24, 2010, 01:34:23 PM »
I agree with some that have said part of the problem is the host center has to absorb too much of the cost of putting on a tournament stop regional or national.The last national tour stop I saw out here in Hammond,IN the turnout was bad.It's supply and demand and right now there's no demand for the touring pros to come to bowl here. It's sad to see.
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Re: A possible solution for the PBA
« Reply #22 on: November 24, 2010, 01:38:53 PM »
Sorry, if the PBA can not properly manage itself today, why would you think they would do a better job with our money ?  The PBA has to stand on its own or go away.  And why the USBC ?  Are they are doing a great job managing our money right now ? I feel, all the bowling organizations, PBA, USBC and BPAA all need fresh blood.  Its the same o same o with whomever they put it charge.

If you have extra money that you want to give away, there are some great charities out there that do some excellent work.  Give it to them !!
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Re: A possible solution for the PBA
« Reply #23 on: November 24, 2010, 01:39:29 PM »
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Just an idea. I'm not sure this is original even.

 Would the PBA benefit joining with the USBC membership on a Tour that would include both a male version and a female version? Say have a $5.00 fee added to the dues and give the bowling public ownership under USBC guidance? Having the money go toward prize funds. This might be simplistic but it would generate money needed for the PBA to grow? You could have both the tours in the same city at the same time on certain dates and have the winner of their respective events bowl against each other. Many possibilities.
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I think we already cover the womens pro tour which is failing, why would we then do the same for the mens?

USBC is not very good at managing USBC. It would only get worst by taking on more and throwing more money at it. They would then waste it moving stuff and opening new buildings and continue to cut the PBA prize fund at the same time.


If something can not manage to stay in existence on it's own then it obviously is no longer needed. Why dump money into something that is failing?
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Re: A possible solution for the PBA
« Reply #24 on: November 24, 2010, 01:46:31 PM »
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I think we already cover the womens pro tour which is failing, why would we then do the same for the mens?

USBC is not very good at managing USBC. It would only get worst by taking on more and throwing more money at it. They would then waste it moving stuff and opening new buildings and continue to cut the PBA prize fund at the same time.


If something can not manage to stay in existence on it's own then it obviously is no longer needed. Why dump money into something that is failing?





Not sure if the USBC is mismanaged as said. It seems to be doing okay. You may not agree with the direction but they are still solvent.

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Re: A possible solution for the PBA
« Reply #25 on: November 24, 2010, 04:00:06 PM »
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I think we already cover the womens pro tour which is failing, why would we then do the same for the mens?

USBC is not very good at managing USBC. It would only get worst by taking on more and throwing more money at it. They would then waste it moving stuff and opening new buildings and continue to cut the PBA prize fund at the same time.


If something can not manage to stay in existence on it's own then it obviously is no longer needed. Why dump money into something that is failing?





Not sure if the USBC is mismanaged as said. It seems to be doing okay. You may not agree with the direction but they are still solvent.

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Are you blind or just deaf and dumb?

Have you seen the money they have wasted moving from WI. to TX? Many MILLIONS of DOLLARS.
Have you seen our dues jump from $12 to $20? and
Have you seen our small prizes all but disappeared?

What have they given  us in return - more junkets for them and their families just like the local and state and national politicians?
what have we gotten - promises?
A few papers tellings us about Ra and Rs???


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Re: A possible solution for the PBA
« Reply #26 on: November 24, 2010, 05:10:45 PM »
I think we're more likely to see the BPAA start a new tour, rather than the USBC partner with the PBA. The BPAA backed down the USBC a few years ago, and they have all the power.

I agree the PBA is doomed. Changing to an exempt field was a mistake. Charging exorbitant fees to centers who host tournaments, etc ...

Ball manufacturers need the PBA to showcase and sell new equipment. So, without the PBA, they will be at the mercy of the BPAA to promote their equipment. I think eventually the BPAA will own the PBA, and take control over the USBC.

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Re: A possible solution for the PBA
« Reply #27 on: November 24, 2010, 05:41:39 PM »
What does the PBA do for the BPAA ?  Most centers do not even want to host tournaments anymore.  It cost the centers a lot of money to host a PBA event.  What do they get back in return ?  As I said before, it cost the manufacturers a lot of money to be PBA registered, what do they get back in return ?  The PBA gives nothing back at all to their host centers and sponsors.  I remember one center owner that use to host a PBA National stop tell me that it cost him about $30,000 during that entire week.  Now, I never questioned him how, but I respected his opinion.

I always wondered why Tom Clark and other PBA brass had to be at every tournament.  They always had front row seats and very visible on TV.  Do you think they paid all their expenses themselves ?  And why not let a fan sit in one of those seats and be thrilled to be close to the bowlers and all the action.

The PBA has taken for many years and given very little back.  If they go down, its their own fault.  Don't get me wrong, I love bowling and watching the PBA live or on TV and I hope they can survive, but I seriously doubt it.

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Re: A possible solution for the PBA
« Reply #28 on: November 24, 2010, 06:06:28 PM »
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Just an idea. I'm not sure this is original even.

 Would the PBA benefit joining with the USBC membership on a Tour that would include both a male version and a female version? Say have a $5.00 fee added to the dues and give the bowling public ownership under USBC guidance? Having the money go toward prize funds. This might be simplistic but it would generate money needed for the PBA to grow? You could have both the tours in the same city at the same time on certain dates and have the winner of their respective events bowl against each other. Many possiblities.
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I believe Johnny Petraglia has already made a similar motion before the USBC once or twice before and either has not made it to a vote or voted down soundly.
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Dave_in_Rio_Rancho

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Re: A possible solution for the PBA
« Reply #29 on: November 25, 2010, 09:23:27 AM »
"kidlost2000: USBC is not very good at managing USBC. It would only get worst by taking on more and throwing more money at it. They would then waste it moving stuff and opening new buildings and continue to cut the PBA prize fund at the same time."

That is exactly what I told a nice lady with the USBC when she asked me for a donation - she was very offended - doesn't talk to me anymore

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Re: A possible solution for the PBA
« Reply #30 on: November 25, 2010, 09:33:52 AM »
good thought someway we have to make bowling appealing to young and old alike, i think it is begining to happen with high schools around here having school teams and pricing that is reasonable it is cheaper and more fun than golfing. although some AMF centers are ridiculus with there pricing $4 bucks a game 3 for shoes? c'mon now the only time you can get a good price is at midnight with cosmic bowling. Bill White's in springfield ohio is one of the best places to take you family great people great prices great atomsphere games for kids and adults nice bar food service if all the establishments were like this it would rebound quickly
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