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General Category => PBA => Topic started by: DP3 on February 24, 2020, 10:16:21 AM
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A developing story from the tour that I haven't seen many people talking about is the "Behavioral Probation" for Anthony Simonsen after his latest incident at the U.S. Open. There's already been a few instances this year of him punching/kicking ball returns and center equipment.
This week during matchplay he forcefully pulled on the scoring keypad unit until it bent the metal pole that it was on. Resulting in the scoring unit now facing upside down and backwards. There is a picture floating around on Facebook.
There was a report that when confronted by center management about this, he (allegedly) apologized and gave them a credit card to "charge him whatever it is to fix it".
A former touring pro stated that "If Simonsen even touches another ball return or center equipment in a forceful manner, there will be an immediate 6 month suspension."
Oof.
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That sucks. Want to cheer for the kid but not if he is acting like toddler. He is going to learn just like any of us at work you start trashing stuff because you are mad don't get to keep your job long.
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It does suck. Makes me wonder if there is something off the lanes affecting him while he is on because he has been a fixture on tour now for several seasons and this is the first I have heard of this issue.
Have to admit I have kicked my share of returns when I was similar in age. I was going through a divorce and child custody battle and thought bowling would help take my mind off of it. Needless to say it was a bad decision as I almost got kicked off a team because of my attitude.
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He’s been having that attitude for a while now. During shows he is always blaming someone else when he doesn’t carry or when he misses a shot, asking people to shut up, to don’t move or to turn their phones down or some other things that makes him look bad.
Hard to root for someone with that attitude on the lanes.
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You do have to remember he still is a 'kid' per se and all the fame and accolades he's already accomplished has gotten to his head. He normally isn't a bad person as i have bowled with him recently and he seemed good. Now, look at PDW and all he has done. Hes a 60yo man that still has his temper tantrums and i understand he is one of the all time greats, but still you have to be professional and he will learn, either thru mentorship, or the hard way thru suspension.
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>>That sucks. Want to cheer for the kid but not if he is acting like toddler.
Well, he does throw the ball like a toddler. ; )
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You do have to remember he still is a 'kid' per se and all the fame and accolades he's already accomplished has gotten to his head. He normally isn't a bad person as i have bowled with him recently and he seemed good. Now, look at PDW and all he has done. Hes a 60yo man that still has his temper tantrums and i understand he is one of the all time greats, but still you have to be professional and he will learn, either thru mentorship, or the hard way thru suspension.
Anthony has been involved in organized, sanctioned competition for at least 17 years now (according to bowl.com). There is never an excuse for destruction of someone else's property. That is basic common courtesy and social grace and is something that should be ingrained in him by now. Yes, he responsibly paid for the damage to the equipment but that doesn't make it all "okay".
Pete Weber is reportedly a very humble and down-to-Earth guy when interacting with fans on a personal level. Some of his on-lane behavior during competition, however, is not necessarily the greatest.
Everyone gets heated/angry/upset/disappointed in themselves when things don't go as expected [especially when there is money involved], but learning to control those feelings and not lash out at other people or start damaging property is something that needs to be taught and reinforced at a young age.
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You do have to remember he still is a 'kid' per se and all the fame and accolades he's already accomplished has gotten to his head. He normally isn't a bad person as i have bowled with him recently and he seemed good. Now, look at PDW and all he has done. Hes a 60yo man that still has his temper tantrums and i understand he is one of the all time greats, but still you have to be professional and he will learn, either thru mentorship, or the hard way thru suspension.
Anthony has been involved in organized, sanctioned competition for at least 17 years now (according to bowl.com). There is never an excuse for destruction of someone else's property. That is basic common courtesy and social grace and is something that should be ingrained in him by now. Yes, he responsibly paid for the damage to the equipment but that doesn't make it all "okay".
Pete Weber is reportedly a very humble and down-to-Earth guy when interacting with fans on a personal level. Some of his on-lane behavior during competition, however, is not necessarily the greatest.
Everyone gets heated/angry/upset/disappointed in themselves when things don't go as expected [especially when there is money involved], but learning to control those feelings and not lash out at other people or start damaging property is something that needs to be taught and reinforced at a young age.
I totally agree with you. It will be learned and i know i haven't heard of any other outbursts from him on tour. Pete Weber has had a lot of outbursts and alot worst that Simonsen so don't include him in the mix. I remember hearing a PBA guy named Chris Collins get so mad he threw a bowling ball or more than one and almost hit a small kid spectating at a regional. And then there is Ciminelli who famously tore his jersey while still bowling at this years US Open. So Anthony is a good kid and he will learn but yes outbursts do happen and unfortunately guys get bad raps because of them. Im not excusing his behavior as i see that stuff every week in league and it pisses me off also.
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You do have to remember he still is a 'kid' per se and all the fame and accolades he's already accomplished has gotten to his head. He normally isn't a bad person as i have bowled with him recently and he seemed good. Now, look at PDW and all he has done. Hes a 60yo man that still has his temper tantrums and i understand he is one of the all time greats, but still you have to be professional and he will learn, either thru mentorship, or the hard way thru suspension.
Anthony has been involved in organized, sanctioned competition for at least 17 years now (according to bowl.com). There is never an excuse for destruction of someone else's property. That is basic common courtesy and social grace and is something that should be ingrained in him by now. Yes, he responsibly paid for the damage to the equipment but that doesn't make it all "okay".
Pete Weber is reportedly a very humble and down-to-Earth guy when interacting with fans on a personal level. Some of his on-lane behavior during competition, however, is not necessarily the greatest.
Everyone gets heated/angry/upset/disappointed in themselves when things don't go as expected [especially when there is money involved], but learning to control those feelings and not lash out at other people or start damaging property is something that needs to be taught and reinforced at a young age.
I totally agree with you. It will be learned and i know i haven't heard of any other outbursts from him on tour. Pete Weber has had a lot of outbursts and alot worst that Simonsen so don't include him in the mix. I remember hearing a PBA guy named Chris Collins get so mad he threw a bowling ball or more than one and almost hit a small kid spectating at a regional. And then there is Ciminelli who famously tore his jersey while still bowling at this years US Open. So Anthony is a good kid and he will learn but yes outbursts do happen and unfortunately guys get bad raps because of them. Im not excusing his behavior as i see that stuff every week in league and it pisses me off also.
If you see that stuff every week (breaking scorers or other bowling equipment), then either your league officers or the bowling center management is not doing their jobs. :)
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I remember hearing a PBA guy named Chris Collins
Chris Collins was probably the worst offender of all time. He had psychopathic levels of bad energy around him. With his brother being a high ranking police officer I guess he felt like he had free reign to do whatever he wanted without repercussion in South Carolina. The throw the bowling ball across the parking lot (maybe denting a car or two) was one of his trademarks.
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You do have to remember he still is a 'kid' per se and all the fame and accolades he's already accomplished has gotten to his head. He normally isn't a bad person as i have bowled with him recently and he seemed good. Now, look at PDW and all he has done. Hes a 60yo man that still has his temper tantrums and i understand he is one of the all time greats, but still you have to be professional and he will learn, either thru mentorship, or the hard way thru suspension.
Anthony has been involved in organized, sanctioned competition for at least 17 years now (according to bowl.com). There is never an excuse for destruction of someone else's property. That is basic common courtesy and social grace and is something that should be ingrained in him by now. Yes, he responsibly paid for the damage to the equipment but that doesn't make it all "okay".
Pete Weber is reportedly a very humble and down-to-Earth guy when interacting with fans on a personal level. Some of his on-lane behavior during competition, however, is not necessarily the greatest.
Everyone gets heated/angry/upset/disappointed in themselves when things don't go as expected [especially when there is money involved], but learning to control those feelings and not lash out at other people or start damaging property is something that needs to be taught and reinforced at a young age.
I totally agree with you. It will be learned and i know i haven't heard of any other outbursts from him on tour. Pete Weber has had a lot of outbursts and alot worst that Simonsen so don't include him in the mix. I remember hearing a PBA guy named Chris Collins get so mad he threw a bowling ball or more than one and almost hit a small kid spectating at a regional. And then there is Ciminelli who famously tore his jersey while still bowling at this years US Open. So Anthony is a good kid and he will learn but yes outbursts do happen and unfortunately guys get bad raps because of them. Im not excusing his behavior as i see that stuff every week in league and it pisses me off also.
If you see that stuff every week (breaking scorers or other bowling equipment), then either your league officers or the bowling center management is not doing their jobs. :)
Not breaking stuff, but throwing stuff around, cursing, acting a fool.
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>>That sucks. Want to cheer for the kid but not if he is acting like toddler.
Well, he does throw the ball like a toddler. ; )
And how do you throw it?
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I’ll drop the People’s elbow on a ball return if I need to..... 8)
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I watched his 22 minute us open thing on flo, apparently he dropped an f bomb on tv the prior week that may or may not have been muted by producers, anyway he was kindly but sternly reminded multiple times by various pba/fox people that he cannot do that again and he responded to the last one by stating that this is how he talks and if they don't like it he just won't wear a microphone. Draw your own conclusions those are just the things I saw on flo.
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Not defending the actions of breaking stuff but I know when I throw a bad shot or I’m pissed at myself Fox would probably come to me and take my mic away right on the approach. I say some harsh stuff to myself that others can’t hear but with a mic that all changes. I know a few others as well that you would not want to have a mic.
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Chris Collins was definitely the worst. I remember at one of my old home houses just outside Atlanta he was bowling a World Team Challenge and after his squad was finished; he proceeded to walk outside and slam a 2 ball tote against the side of a van. Dude went completely psychotic.
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Not defending the actions of breaking stuff but I know when I throw a bad shot or I’m pissed at myself Fox would probably come to me and take my mic away right on the approach. I say some harsh stuff to myself that others can’t hear but with a mic that all changes. I know a few others as well that you would not want to have a mic.
Could you imagine is every professional athlete wore a mic, the amount of cuss words and racial slurs you would hear. IDK why they make bowlers wear mics anyways, they bowl all week without them, then force them to wear on TV when its foreign to them. Granted he should watch what he says, but if the players dont want the mics, they should respect that. Everyone is picking on Anthony, but I'm sure there is alot worse going on out there.
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To professional bowlers:
If the people who are putting up the cash for the prize funds say you need to conform to what is socially acceptable, you probably should do it or you might find yourself selling vacuums.
This isn't aimed at any one particular bowler, but all of them. All of the professionals have a vested interest in how they (as a whole) are perceived, and thus whether or not companies want to spend their sponsorship money on pro bowling or other ventures.
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To professional bowlers:
If the people who are putting up the cash for the prize funds say you need to conform to what is socially acceptable, you probably should do it or you might find yourself selling vacuums.
This isn't aimed at any one particular bowler, but all of them. All of the professionals have a vested interest in how they (as a whole) are perceived, and thus whether or not companies want to spend their sponsorship money on pro bowling or other ventures.
You mean selling vacuums full time right because a lot of these pros have part time jobs because the bowling prize funds are a sorry ass joke. 30 grand for a major lmfao. They offered that in the 1970s (for example 1965 ToC $25000 1st = What cost $25000 in 1965 would cost $205566.00 in 2019). That said you should be a professional in whatever you do.
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Yes, we all wish these guys had larger prize funds, but that will come from sponsors. The same sponsors who probably frown upon grown men with less self control than they should have.
Most of the bowlers are good examples, and accept the bad breaks with the good breaks with some class, but it only takes a few to ruin it.
The "good old days" of bowling are gone. The whole game has changed as well as competition for sponsorship dollars. If it's tough now to be a professional bowler just wait until corporate dollars leave (if they do) and then we'll (continue to) lament the good old days when a tournament winner earned a $30,000 check. I hope I'm wrong for the sake of the "professional" pro bowlers out there.
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To professional bowlers:
If the people who are putting up the cash for the prize funds say you need to conform to what is socially acceptable, you probably should do it or you might find yourself selling vacuums.
This isn't aimed at any one particular bowler, but all of them. All of the professionals have a vested interest in how they (as a whole) are perceived, and thus whether or not companies want to spend their sponsorship money on pro bowling or other ventures.
You mean selling vacuums full time right because a lot of these pros have part time jobs because the bowling prize funds are a sorry ass joke. 30 grand for a major lmfao. They offered that in the 1970s (for example 1965 ToC $25000 1st = What cost $25000 in 1965 would cost $205566.00 in 2019). That said you should be a professional in whatever you do.
It is a joke what the earnings are for one tournament. However; here is a list as to who finished 10th in earnings over the past several years.
2013 - Scott Norton $94,000
2014 - Ronnie Russell $84,000
2015 - EJ Tackett $68,000
2016 - Amleto Monacelli $84,000
2017 - Sean Rash $84,000
2018 - Tom Smallwood $66,000
2019 - Dick Allen $78,000
2020 - Chris Barnes $26,400 (after only 6 stops thus far)
While weekly winners are underpaid; what most make in a season is still pretty decent. Those earnings that I listed do not include things like endorsements, contracts with ball companies, and other tournaments they may bowl in throughout the year. This has been mentioned before. But bowling is never going to have the earnings potential that other professional sports offer. You know Simonsen's career earnings are already almost $600,000 and he is only 23? Belmo is already at $1.5 Million.
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Yes, we all wish these guys had larger prize funds, but that will come from sponsors. The same sponsors who probably frown upon grown men with less self control than they should have.
Most of the bowlers are good examples, and accept the bad breaks with the good breaks with some class, but it only takes a few to ruin it.
The "good old days" of bowling are gone. The whole game has changed as well as competition for sponsorship dollars. If it's tough now to be a professional bowler just wait until corporate dollars leave (if they do) and then we'll (continue to) lament the good old days when a tournament winner earned a $30,000 check. I hope I'm wrong for the sake of the "professional" pro bowlers out there.
Point taken but prize funds get much lower and will mostly be only local bowlers at each stop. Bowling ratings are up which means a lack of sponsorships is more due to incompetence at the top of the PBA (recently changed but we will see), rather than bowler behavior. Still yeah the kid needs to learn some self control as bowling doesn't need emotional toddlers.
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To professional bowlers:
If the people who are putting up the cash for the prize funds say you need to conform to what is socially acceptable, you probably should do it or you might find yourself selling vacuums.
This isn't aimed at any one particular bowler, but all of them. All of the professionals have a vested interest in how they (as a whole) are perceived, and thus whether or not companies want to spend their sponsorship money on pro bowling or other ventures.
You mean selling vacuums full time right because a lot of these pros have part time jobs because the bowling prize funds are a sorry ass joke. 30 grand for a major lmfao. They offered that in the 1970s (for example 1965 ToC $25000 1st = What cost $25000 in 1965 would cost $205566.00 in 2019). That said you should be a professional in whatever you do.
It is a joke what the earnings are for one tournament. However; here is a list as to who finished 10th in earnings over the past several years.
2013 - Scott Norton $94,000
2014 - Ronnie Russell $84,000
2015 - EJ Tackett $68,000
2016 - Amleto Monacelli $84,000
2017 - Sean Rash $84,000
2018 - Tom Smallwood $66,000
2019 - Dick Allen $78,000
2020 - Chris Barnes $26,400 (after only 6 stops thus far)
While weekly winners are underpaid; what most make in a season is still pretty decent. Those earnings that I listed do not include things like endorsements, contracts with ball companies, and other tournaments they may bowl in throughout the year. This has been mentioned before. But bowling is never going to have the earnings potential that other professional sports offer. You know Simonsen's career earnings are already almost $600,000 and he is only 23? Belmo is already at $1.5 Million.
^pre expenses (travel, hotel, food, $500 entry fees each week, equipment, etc). Still back on topic even if you are bowling league you don't damage equipment or else you are an asshat. Never an excuse for it. Vandalism is a crime.
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Belmo is already at $1.5 Million.
...not exactly the phrasing I would use. I would say a guy who has spent 11 years as a professional athlete, and along the way won 5 (?) player of the year awards and more majors than anyone in history, is making as much as someone with a good career-type job. I saw or heard a stat that he's made the show in over forty or fifty percent of the majors he's bowled in his career, and he's still only averaging $150k/year. Insane.
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Belmo is already at $1.5 Million.
...not exactly the phrasing I would use. I would say a guy who has spent 11 years as a professional athlete, and along the way won 5 (?) player of the year awards and more majors than anyone in history, is making as much as someone with a good career-type job. I saw or heard a stat that he's made the show in over forty or fifty percent of the majors he's bowled in his career, and he's still only averaging $150k/year. Insane.
Will just leave this here (a single tournament total purse worth more than the top 10 earners in PBA history combined) - "Thirty golfers battled it out for the 2019 Tour Championship with a total of $45 million on the line and the winner taking home an almost preposterous $15 million." Guess should be comparing bowling to croquet or curling instead.
(edit: LOL - "This is the only international curling event where teams will wear their countries flag and colours with prize money available. A total of $USD 165,000 will be distributed at each of the first three events. This will then rise to $USD 280,000 for the Grand Final.", granted mens and womens I think but still) - 2020 US Open Bowling prize fund = $170,650 oh and curling is in the Olympics lol
(edit2: Could be worse looks like bowling has Frisbee golf beat for now but nipping on its heels - "Below is the final leaderboard for the United States Disc Golf Championship, featuring the prize money earned. Total payout for MPO reached $93,900, including $44,471 in added cash for 196 competitors, 89 of which received cash. The FPO total payout of $21,945 for 46 players, 20 cashing, included $10,447 in added prize money. Top Frisbee golf guy has almost half a million in career earnings lol)
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These other sports probably don't have an ass clown like Murphy in position of power.
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These other sports probably don't have an ass clown like Murphy in position of power.
I am guessing with curling a lot of their sponsorship money comes from Molson, Labatt, and other beer companies like it did for bowling in the early days with Budweiser, etc (back when they had decent prize funds). Curlers from what I hear make bowlers mostly look like light weights as that sport is mostly an excuse to get half drunk with some mates at the lower levels.
(wow maybe not just lower levels lol -
https://www.boston.com/sports/olympics/2018/02/13/canadas-olympic-curlers-brought-their-own-beer
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/blog/2018/nov/20/beers-on-ice-canadian-curlers-alcohol-red-deer-classic
https://www.sbnation.com/lookit/2018/2/19/17027448/winter-olympics-curling-beer-canada)
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You do have to remember he still is a 'kid' per se and all the fame and accolades he's already accomplished has gotten to his head. He normally isn't a bad person as i have bowled with him recently and he seemed good. Now, look at PDW and all he has done. Hes a 60yo man that still has his temper tantrums and i understand he is one of the all time greats, but still you have to be professional and he will learn, either thru mentorship, or the hard way thru suspension.
Stop making excuses and hold the “kid†accountable otherwise he will end up like “60 year old man†you’re hypocritically complaining about.
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I remember hearing a PBA guy named Chris Collins
Chris Collins was probably the worst offender of all time. He had psychopathic levels of bad energy around him. With his brother being a high ranking police officer I guess he felt like he had free reign to do whatever he wanted without repercussion in South Carolina. The throw the bowling ball across the parking lot (maybe denting a car or two) was one of his trademarks.
When I lived in Maryland I saw Chris Collins live and in color. His meltdowns are similar to watching a domestic dispute of physical nature. I’ve seen this guy put bowling balls through scoring units and masking units. NO one can match Chris Collins when it comes to tantrums.
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I remember hearing a PBA guy named Chris Collins
Chris Collins was probably the worst offender of all time. He had psychopathic levels of bad energy around him. With his brother being a high ranking police officer I guess he felt like he had free reign to do whatever he wanted without repercussion in South Carolina. The throw the bowling ball across the parking lot (maybe denting a car or two) was one of his trademarks.
When I lived in Maryland I saw Chris Collins live and in color. His meltdowns are similar to watching a domestic dispute of physical nature. I’ve seen this guy put bowling balls through scoring units and masking units. NO one can match Chris Collins when it comes to tantrums.
Worse than Hollman after he kicked the foul lights on TV, he broke the plastic casing and everything around it?
BL.
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We all have our good moments and our bad moments. In our bad ones, just about all of us have said and/or done something we wish we hadn't. The key here is whether or not we realize that we're in the wrong and take steps to make sure we avoid repeating the behavior. From the sound of things, Simonsen has had more than just the scoring unit incident. If that is indeed true, then he needs to face discipline now, or, as has been stated, he needs it swiftly and harshly if something else happens. To allow behavior like that to go on without consequences is enabling said behavior. Obviously, Simonsen has a world of talent, but if you can't conduct yourself in a professional manner, you don't deserve to be out there representing the PBA. It's as simple as that.