Post by: Frederick on July 13, 2011, 03:58:59 AM
If you had the power to change the PBA and to make bowling a better sport, what would you do? What strategies would you use?
Post by: Frederick on July 13, 2011, 07:10:21 PM
103 views and not a single reply, lol...
I bet if I would of posted what's wrong with the PBA
I would of got some replies, lol... Easier to wine and complain
then to offer solutions. No wonder bowling is so screwed up. LOL...
Post by: sunsetlefty on July 13, 2011, 07:50:22 PM
1. More Team Shootout shows. This allows the viewer to see different bowlers, different equipment, different styles.
2. More Women's and Senior tournaments. Get the 'Ladies and Legends' thing going if you have to. I personally found this years' Womens' US Open to be a great show. Many great PBA bowlers are now, or will very soon, be seniors. Time to capitalize on market value of both the women and seniors.
3. Major sponsorship. This has been talked about for years, but it still hasn't happened.
4. Different television deal to stop competing with primetime NFL. Move it to Friday or Monday evening if you have to.
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Post by: kidlost2000 on July 13, 2011, 07:59:01 PM
It has been posted and commented on here a lot. In the end everyone has learned, no matter how great your ideas, they literally mean absolutely nothing to anyone other then your self and the few people who read what you wrote.
I have changed my stance on this subject. The PBA is perfect. The people who now own it shouldn't change anything. Fewer PBA tournaments, no true national tour, and three tournaments that are pay-per-view online is the best idea yet. It will be the PBAs biggest year in recent history.
USBC and bowling are better now then ever. They take our checks and send us a sanction card and newsletter. What else can we ask for? They need the money for there salaries more then we need a true governing body. It is not a system of checks and balances. It is at the very least another Ponzi scheme.
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Post by: tommyboy74 on July 13, 2011, 08:00:05 PM
The team shootout shows are great for the summer. That should stay without a doubt.
They need to stop competing with the NFL because anyone knows that the NFL will win every time. Move it back to its 1pm Saturday spot on ABC (everyone has that station), or do a Friday night. And on top of that, they need to go back to being LIVE. None of this pretaped stuff they do where we already know the results 2 months prior.
Also, the PBA should go back to the 5 match stepladder format similar to what they used to have. This way, more bowlers could be featured which always made it interesting.
The senior and women's tour need to be featured again. There is a ton of talent that unfortunately is not becoming as widely known because none of them are on tv lately.
The King of the Hill tournament was always fun to watch and should also come back. Remember Wes Malott's run a few years ago where he shot multiple 300's on tv?
Finally, the PBA needs to get some major sponsorship and increase the purse size of tournaments. In addition, their marketing department could use a complete overhaul.
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Post by: Photoc on July 13, 2011, 10:05:59 PM
I thought it used to be a 5 man, 4 match format, not 6 man 5 match. Or maybe I'm forgetting something.
But either way, I agree, more matches and move back to Saturdays would be great. Get the sponsorships for 20+ events a year around the country, not all in a few spots and half the amount of events.
Post by: Mighty Buffalo on July 14, 2011, 06:34:54 AM
I'm all for the golden days of the PBA being on ABC's Wide World of Sports at 3 p.m. However, you are forgetting that there is now another TV juggernaut that is on Saturday, Collge Football. The college football ratings and number of games have gone through the roof, and I don't think ABC is going to put bowling on in favor of college football.
I think moving it to a Tuesday or Thursday evening timeslot has it's merit. Look at what has happened to poker on TV. A niche game that has had a major sponsor and put at a time that there was not a lot of competition. It seems to have a decent rating, and I know of a lot of people who watch poker that did not before. It also has to do with the publicity of it on TV. WSOP is advertised a lot on ESPN so that people know when the next part of the main event for poker will be on. There are hardly any commercials on for the PBA, this could be a major part of it, throw some more advertising dollars to let people know.
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Post by: AlBundy33 on July 14, 2011, 06:46:44 AM
1. Start with a 16 tournament tour with 4 stops in each region of the country and hopefully rebuild your audience.
2. Get rid of Rob Stone.
3. Move the telecast to a night where you're not going head to head with the NFL, College Football or even later on College Basketball. Tuesday or Wednesday night should do the trick.
4. Instead of going after a large title sponsor, why not patch together a bunch of smaller sponsors and try to put a product out that people will watch.
5. Get rid of Rob Stone.
6. Go bat to the traditional five-man, four-match stepladder championship round with 18 games qualifying and 24 games of match play.
7. As for Vegas, the PBA should set aside one tournament similar to what the Showboat Invitational was with the 56-game long format.
8. Reinstitute the "Tip of the Week" with Randy Pedersen.
9. Leave the masking units alone if you are having the championship round at a center instead of an arena final, it defines the center's character, instead of the generic crap that the PBA currently uses.
10. Get rid of Rob Stone.
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Edited by AlBundy33 on 7/14/2011 at 6:47 AM
Post by: abrown on July 14, 2011, 07:19:09 AM
I first off would get a restructuring of the current exemption deal - less promised money and more qualifying to cash spots means more entries thus possibly more money.
Get rid of the pre tapped show and start doing the shows on say wed. night not really anything to compete with on tv other than normal cable shows.
Rob Stone has been a little comic relief but still is a complete idiot went it comes to the game, get rid of him hire someone with a personality that understands the game.
Restructure tournament format to maybe a 3 day start to finish leading the touring players more time with their family or other jobs? and less money going to hotels and staying in their wallet.
The world series of bowling is a good idea for the bowlers less time away instead of a month and half worth of tourney its a week'n half here and the major finals a couple weeks later. But i still prefer seeing a bowler have the chance to win alot of events if they get hot not having the WSOB the other majors and a few others thrown in go back to the 20+ per year, no one will rival any of the greats in terms of number of titles with the formats they use now.
Do more of the team shootouts, KOH, doubles, hell even the mixed doubles tourney couple years ago was better than some of the more recent shows, they could even try a legends and current bowlers double format I know id watch it.
The truth is it dont matter what we think the owners are going to continue to bastardize the game till its obsolete and bowlers are for the most part powerless against it.
Thats my 2cent
Post by: jensm on July 14, 2011, 07:26:47 AM
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Post by: SKIDSNAP on July 14, 2011, 07:30:03 AM
+1
Except you forgot one thing......
GET RID OF ROB STONE
Edited by SKIDSNAP on 7/14/2011 at 7:30 AM
Post by: Spider Man on July 14, 2011, 10:32:23 AM
#1 is find a way to bring more money to the sport (See sponsor comments.). This would lead to more shows and tour stops. How does the PBA expect to build a fan base when it's on for all of four months? Also pro's making $24,000 will not attract outside interest.
#2 is determine if it wants to be a serious or a light-hearted deal. either go all in with the Rash/Belmo rivalry and eye candy (see WWE.) or go back to pure bowling. The half-aced product now is confusing.
#3 is make a stand against the 4-lettered network. This is a toxic relationship. And be prepared to find a new TV deal as plan B or C. Hell, even try to make a deal with Netflix for some live streaming of its online production. Netflix is beginning to produce original programing.
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Edited by Spider Man on 7/14/2011 at 10:34 AM
Post by: Frederick on July 14, 2011, 11:22:03 AM
Here's the quickest and most simplest way to bring more money to the PBA..
Raise USBC dues by $1. That $1 goes into the PBA prize funds for that year.
Post by: milorafferty on July 14, 2011, 01:23:24 PM
You do know that USBC and PBA are two different entities, right?
And if the PBA wants a dollar from me, give us back the PBA patterns for our sport leagues.
Post by: kidlost2000 on July 14, 2011, 03:00:14 PM
Two different entities just like the PGA and the USGA.
People assume USBC should be more like the USGA, the USGA doesn't give it's money to the PGA. The USGA has a Major on the PGA tour, the PGA tour does not. That is why the PGA calls the Players Championship "the 5th major" but still doesn't count as one.(only 4)
The PBA has always been it's own business. The PBA tried getting money from the USBC by charging money for its PBA oil patterns. That is why you no longer bowl sport leagues on those PBA patterns. The Little League of America isn't going to be paying money anytime soon to any of the owners of MLB. The reason is they are their own separate businesses that like real business have to take care of themselves. USBC currently can not manage it's own business very well, why trust them to donate money to a completely separate business.
If the PWBA went under because people stopped watching and the owners of the PBA do the same thing then it shows there is no longer a market to support it. Are we going to donate money to get the XFL back as well? If it dies because of poor ownership then so be it.
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Post by: Frederick on July 14, 2011, 07:22:54 PM
Yes I do realize the USBC and PBA are different businesses but it doesn't matter. Its still bowling and everyone one needs to come together for the greater good of the sport. Raising dues to $1 and then donating it to the PBA would work, its not even a debate, its a simple solution that could solve some of the problems bowling faces.. If the USBC can't manage their finances right, then they should get people in their that can do the job right. Its not rocket science people, most problems can be solved with simple solutions its just that we humans have to complicate everything.
Post by: kidlost2000 on July 14, 2011, 08:15:03 PM
More money via a USBC bailout/donation is not the solution.
Your saying that because no one is watching the PBA in it's current state we should give it more money to keep it on life support so.......
What does that do for bowling? How does that grow the PBA? How does that grow leagues or the USBC?
If no one is watching the PBA for free, if they don't make money with their PAY-PER-VIEW shows and eventually go under then it will not hurt any one other then the PBA players and the business men who run it.
Maybe you should instead email the owner and ask him to invest more money into his product? Maybe like all major sports owners out there they have to learn that you must spend money to make money. Let him spend some more of his Microsoft dollars to make it happen.
Next people will want us to bail out bowling ball companies to save bowling. It is the same thing and it doesn't make cents.
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Post by: Frederick on July 14, 2011, 09:28:13 PM
I didn't say it was the only solution, its just a start. Like I said, its not even up for debate, the money coming from the USBC would dramatically increase the prize funds which would gain more viewership. Watching a professional bowler on TV bowling for $15,000 is pathetic.. What kid out there would aspire to be a professional bowler? What young adult with some talent would want to go out work his butt off to be good enough to go and compete on tour knowing that you can make more money as an amateur than a professional? There's a reason why the TOC was the highest rated bowling show of the year... Big purses bring more viewers... People want to watch the best of the best do what they do and make lots and lots of money. Again, its not like I'm saying this is the only solution, it would take a lot more to fix all that is wrong but its a start. More like a quick fix that wouldn't put anybody out. Its just a dollar, thats it....
Post by: BrianCRX90 on July 26, 2011, 08:45:18 PM
Post by: ccrider on July 26, 2011, 09:18:16 PM
Dang. Before I looked I thought this was a JLS reply.
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Post by: The Bowling Pariah on July 26, 2011, 11:03:23 PM
The question was:
How would you fix Bowling and the PBA?
The answer is:
YOU CAN'T!
Before you can even start to "fix" something, you have to know what's wrong with it. NOBODY seems to know the problem is.
Some say it's the easily obtained scores. Some say it's the easy lane conditions. And SOME say it's those reactive resin bombs that people are using these days. Who really knows WHAT it is?
The PBA members are mad at their leaders about the situation the PBA is in, and the USBC members are mad at the USBC for the shape it is in, and BOTH are blaming everyone, and everything, except THEMSELVES for it all.
Post by: Sunshine n Lollipops on July 29, 2011, 07:20:13 PM
Been gone over so many times. Dead issue. It won't change until the players take control of their own destiny. BTW, get over this crap about what the pros bowl for. Its what they choose to do.
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Post by: NHLfan88 on August 09, 2011, 09:29:17 AM
Make a rule banning those 2-handed gimmick bowling jokers.
Post by: Juggernaut on August 09, 2011, 10:54:06 AM
YOU CAN'T FIX STUPID!
Both the USBC and the PBA have been making stupid decisions, and doing stupid things, for a while now, and I just don't see an end to it.
The PBA will die first,because it is smaller, but I don't believe the USBC will survive long in its current configuration either.
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