Post by: JessN16 on March 27, 2008, 01:51:48 PM
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This is a perfect example of how the PBA doesn't get it.
You can buy PBA jerseys on PBA.com. Those jerseys are marketed towards fans and amateur bowlers. If they weren't, they wouldn't be for sale in a public section.
So now I'm an amateur with two PBA jerseys in my closet. I can't wear them to work. I don't want to wear them to cut grass; they're too nice for that. So where do I wear them? To bowl, of course!
Oh wait, I can't do that. I'm a *POSER* if I do.
Here's what a couple of you don't get: If I wear a jersey to bowl in league, and people see a little "PBA" logo on my shirt -- where it was sewn at the factory before I even bought the da*n thing -- they might ask me what that means. They might ask me if they can see it on TV sometimes. That might open up the opportunity to market the PBA to someone at no cost to the PBA. Who knows?
I don't claim to be a pro, but at least once a month, I bowl league wearing a bought-it-off-PBA.com PBA jersey. Unlike AK47, I don't have my name on the back. I don't have any extra patches at all; I just have the blank shirt.
You know why? BECAUSE I'M A @#&^&#$ FAN OF THE PBA. I'm the guy that you PBA guys need to have in your corner if you want your tour to survive. Because without me and other amateurs who are also fans, your tour is T-O-A-S-T. That's the way ALL professional sports in this country work.
We're not posing, we're trying to help. We're trying to be fans. No one sees guys playing in a church softball league wearing A-Rod jerseys and thinks they're really MLB baseball players. No one is going to watch me bowl for more than five minutes and think I'm a PBA player, either.
So if it's wrong to own these jerseys, take it up with your own organization. Tell them to quit selling and marketing these things online. If it's such a privilege to own your gear, quit making it available.
Or, you could take a step back and realize that what you call "posing" is what some of us call "paying homage to people better than us."
Jess
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Post by: JessN16 on March 27, 2008, 10:07:55 PM
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The jerseys don't have the big patch on them....just the dinky little denny's one and PBA tour on the front of the shirt.
When you start buying real polos/ball company polos with your name on it, getting REAL pba/denny's emblems combined with other bowling company emblems than your being a poser tool.
Everything is fine until you sew on a REAL Denny's PBA tour patch. Wear Vise, Turbo, Etonic..etc....that's fine, but once you start wearing something that doesn't belong to you, than I think it's wrong. Your not a PBA member, your not a professional bowler...Don't wear something that gives the impression that you are.
I don't even like, agree with and have voiced my opinion on Ams having to wear the patch during Open events. The patch/emblem should be reserved for PBA members only.
Why don't I just go out and buy a police mans uniform and walk around like I'm paying homage to cops.
As to the question that ends your post, it's specifically illegal to do that, and that's on a whole other level than sports memorabilia. Come on.
As to the jersey thing, I'm not going to add a bunch of add-on patches to my PBA jerseys but if I do bowl a regional at some point, I probably will add my name (I don't really want to, but that seems to be the law).
Regardless, throw that out for a second and go back to the original thing, to something you said in your response:
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Your not a PBA member, your not a professional bowler...Don't wear something that gives the impression that you are.
Where do you draw that line? The NFL sells actual game-legal jerseys in sporting goods stores nationwide. MLB, NHL and NBA do, too. That's not "giving the impression" that you are a pro even if you play the actual sport while wearing that piece.
What would "give that impression" is if someone saw you bowling/playing football/playing basketball in a jersey, asked you if you were a pro and you lied. And I know people who have done that, in golf. It sucks but it happens.
But the vast majority of the rest of us do it for completely different reasons.
There's a team of two men, two women on my league that own three sets of PBA jerseys (all matching) and they rotate them every week. One week they wear black, the next week yellow, the next week something else. Do you want them as fans, or not?
Jess
Post by: Sawuser on March 27, 2008, 11:44:42 PM
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Post by: tenpin477 on March 28, 2008, 01:19:44 AM
However amateurs who think they are cool with the PBA Patches and stuff, they don't. As long as your not trying to pass yourself off as a professional, then by all means were a PBA Jersey. Thats why they sell them lol.
Post by: Ahhbach on March 28, 2008, 05:20:32 AM
A 'Real' Denny's PBA patch has adhesive on it. CLASSSSSSSY
And as for a professional taking offense to someone either wearing a patch/name.... Maybe, just maybe this is why the Pros only bowl for peanuts.
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Post by: Krakken on March 28, 2008, 09:54:55 AM
The PBA sells the official patch to anyone that wants to buy one. You feel like it is an insult to the sport to have amateur bowlers wearing them? Write to the PBA and thell them your opinion, maybe they will stop selling them.
By calling someone a name for what they choose to wear, you are acting like the spoiled kid in school that makes fun of others to feel better about himself.
Grow up, and think of ways to help this sport grow, instead of putting down the people that mean the most to the sport's survival, League Bowlers.
Off the soapbox now.
Post by: janderson on March 28, 2008, 10:16:53 AM
My personal choice is to only wear these shirts when participating in a PBA event. Why?
Some argue that there are many PBA card holders that do not deserve the title "professional bowler". I'm aware of one bowler who, despite the rules to the contrary, has held his PBA card for 7 years but has never been to a PBA tournament (not even as a spectator). I've been told I have more right to wear the PBA patch than this person.
Regardless, there are plenty of PBA members that, in my opinion, deserve respect as the professional bowlers they are and should be differentiated from the rest of us bowling mortals. There are too many house bowlers out there who already consider themselves "better than those guys on TV". I won't add fuel to that fire.
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Post by: NicholasE on March 28, 2008, 10:24:48 AM
Just be thankful that someone actually wants to wear a bowling logo! A lot of people doesn't even know that the PBA exsist and if they did they would mock it. Just like WRW said in his ESPN interview where they was talking about bowling wasn't difficult or challenging, which is what most people think. Then he told someone to go and try bowling 50 games in one week and see how it feels.
So, really no one has the respect for bowling and then the ones that do care about the sport, you come on here and put them down. Which is understandable because it seems like an honor that the pros should get, but when it all boils down to it, that patch means nothing. when you walk out of a center with a $25,000 check and a nice little throphy, you will not think once about that patch.
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Post by: aguynamedpat on March 28, 2008, 10:27:30 AM
If it were so sacred to have a PBA Patch, then they wouldnt publicly sell them. I bet if anything, when most PBA bowlers walk into a bowling center to bowl with young kids like some do most weeks before events, they LOVE to see the people wearing PBA shirts, jersey's, patches, etc. because without us supporting their profession it would not exist.
The whole NFL/MLB/NBA jersey has everything to do with it. ITS THE SAME THING! The NFL logo, the MLB logo, the NBA logo are NOT how you differentiate between professional and amateur, or "poser" in your vocabulary. The thing that sets the pro's aside from others is their talent level, their ability to handle themselves while in the spotlight, and their love of the game. Not something that you wear on your sleeve or a name embroidered on the back of a shirt.
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Post by: MAJM on March 28, 2008, 10:48:52 AM
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As an amateur guest, I have participated in a number of PBA regional events and cashed. As a guest, you are required to purchase and wear an official patch on your right arm sleeve. The patches are sticky and leave residue on the shirt that is difficult to remove via normal cleaning. Since I continue to bowl regional events, I've sewed the patch onto two of my shirts permanently.
Unless the rules have changed a guest is not required to wear a patch. It is an option, as a guest, to wear the patch but not required. Only PBA members are required to wear the patch.
As far as the patch being sticky I find it dumb. If it's to go on a shirt then it makes more sense to have it stitched on.
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Post by: mumzie on March 28, 2008, 12:47:51 PM
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• You must wear a PBA logo on the lower right sleeve position of your shirt. Other logos may be required and will be provided at the tournament site along with the PBA logo.
https://www.pba.com/faq/faq.asp#c1f28
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Post by: aguynamedpat on March 28, 2008, 01:00:12 PM
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The difference is your not wearing your baseball jersey to play in your adult baseball league.
Your wearing your jersey as a regular item of every day clothing, not to compete in a regulated sport with rules that evening.
Bowling league is a competition, and some can be very competitive. If you want to wear your PBA made up shirt. Whatever it's your choice. IMO it's dumb....and I'm allowed to have that opinion.
I have teammates that have worn jerseys like The Detective was talking about (professional team, their own name and number of choice on the back) to my softball games, and not ONCE did it ever cross my mind to call them a "poser." They are being a fan, supporting their favorite team and sport they love to take part in, not trying to pretend they are a professional. Thats not being a "poser," they have a genuine love for their game, maybe you should look into it some time. This is the SECOND thread I have seen you in where you just want to take the love out of the game. A stupid patch does not set a pro apart from an amateur, thats the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard. If thats all that we have to distinguish pro's from amateurs, then those guys really work their butts off all to wear a stupid patch. Get real dude.
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Post by: Sawuser on March 28, 2008, 02:05:55 PM
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I guess there is nothing sacred anymore, something that people can hold onto as theirs that distinguishes them from the rest of the world.
There was a time when the PBA logo ment something. I guess it's cool that any old house mouse can grab an emblem on Ebay for a few bucks, stick it on their shirt and proudly parade their new shirt around.
It's more important that the public gets what they want when they want it, instead of working hard to earn the right to display an emblem like that in a professional tournament.
Bowling, My averages would have allowed me to be a PBA member since 1964. Big Deal! That would give me the right to wear the patches, but I would still have not considered myself a professional bowler. I know guys that have been MEMBERS for years, but like I said, Professional Bowler!?
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Post by: HAMBONE on March 28, 2008, 02:12:47 PM
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To all of you who are bothered by a guy with patches on his shirt,
WHERE ARE ALL OF YOUR PBA TITLES?
Now will the REAL posers........please stand up.
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Post by: joegunn on March 28, 2008, 02:36:36 PM
I can't believe I wasted my time not only reading this garbage, but responding to it...
300900...how did you finish this week at the US Open? A 16 year old without a patch missed the top 24 by 1 pin...do you think he carries the 200 average to qualify?
Post by: CHawk15 on March 28, 2008, 03:05:26 PM
Post by: Timotheus on March 28, 2008, 03:12:31 PM
On the other hand, if an amateur wants to wear one to spur himself on or let others know what his aspirations are, by all means wear it!
It doesn't really matter to me, and generally those of us that know the game know who the PBA cardholders in our areas and touring pros are.
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Post by: JessN16 on March 28, 2008, 05:23:11 PM
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I guess there is nothing sacred anymore, something that people can hold onto as theirs that distinguishes them from the rest of the world.
A PBA patch was never "sacred" to begin with. This is a sport, not church. I've got a Seattle Seahawks cap with the NFL logo on the back. Doesn't make me a Seahawk. I've got a bowling shirt with a little 0.5 inch x 1 inch PBA logo on it that the PBA sewed onto the shirt and sold it to me through their fan site. Doesn't make me a PBA bowler. Saying I was a member when I'm not would make me a poser. Wearing a shirt does not.
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Bowling league is a competition, and some can be very competitive. If you want to wear your PBA made up shirt. Whatever it's your choice. IMO it's dumb....and I'm allowed to have that opinion.
You're allowed to have whatever opinion you like. You're allowed to be just as wrong and misguided as you want to be in this country, and no one can do a thing about it.
Jess
Post by: mumzie on March 28, 2008, 05:57:06 PM
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Post by: bass on March 28, 2008, 06:20:00 PM
When I was a member in the 90s and early 2000's we went thru 3 different logos in 3 years.
So if you had your patches sewn on you were basically screwed.
You needed to get a bunch of new shirts each year.
Because the logo's wouldn't cover up the older styles.
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Post by: tjj300 on March 31, 2008, 12:00:56 AM
I don't even understand the argument. Who the heck is out there impersonating PBA members? For what? A PBA card and $2 gets you a seat on a bus. It's not going to get you past the bouncer at a trendy nitespot on a Saturday night. The real world wouldn't know or care who Walter Ray was if you paraded him around on a two-lane float.
Post by: 302efi on March 31, 2008, 01:18:21 AM
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So now I'm an amateur with two PBA jerseys in my closet. I can't wear them to work. I don't want to wear them to cut grass; they're too nice for that. So where do I wear them? To bowl, of course!
Oh wait, I can't do that. I'm a *POSER* if I do.
Yes you are...LOL
If my team was bowling yours theres no doubt that we would be cracking jokes!
"Oh look, theres Walter Ray !"
"Wow its Chris Barnes !"
HAHAHAHAHA....ROFLMAO !
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Post by: JessN16 on March 31, 2008, 01:31:07 AM
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So now I'm an amateur with two PBA jerseys in my closet. I can't wear them to work. I don't want to wear them to cut grass; they're too nice for that. So where do I wear them? To bowl, of course!
Oh wait, I can't do that. I'm a *POSER* if I do.
Yes you are...LOL
If my team was bowling yours theres no doubt that we would be cracking jokes!
"Oh look, theres Walter Ray !"
"Wow its Chris Barnes !"
HAHAHAHAHA....ROFLMAO !
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Then why does the PBA sell them to fans on the fan site? So we can wash our cars with them?
My shirts have no patches, words or names on it, other than the small black/red/white PBA logo that is on the shirt from the factory.
Considering this discussion has been on two separate forums here and the prevailing opinion is about 50-2 against "poser-hood," I'd say you need to change your clearly incorrect opinion on this issue before people begin to make fun of you, and not the other way around.
Jess
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Post by: JessN16 on March 31, 2008, 10:54:02 AM
My shirt has no name on it at all, not mine or anyone else's. If that's the basis for your argument, it doesn't exist in my case.
And I didn't even really ask the question looking for debate. I asked it rhetorically because the answer is already clear: There's nothing wrong with it. There never was anything wrong with it. I highlighted the issue basically to show just how silly a notion it really was.
What's most silly about it is the notion that the PBA is somehow a protected species in sports that fans can't wear fan gear. I have respect for the PBA but the PBA is not a sacred entity. If someone wanted to wear a jersey with a pro's name on it, it would be no different than a NFL fan wearing a Donovan McNabb football jersey.
The other issue that should be plain as day is that the PBA needs all the publicity it can get. If anything, every PBA fan on every league needs to wear as much PBA merchandise as possible to help sell the show. I hope to live to see the day that isn't the case but today, it very much is. This argument is laughably one-sided.
Again, if you want to respond to this one, and you're basis this on someone wearing a "Tommy Jones shirt," READ THE POST and realize that I'm not doing that. However, if I did, the PBA should thank me for it, not criticize me for it.
Jess
Post by: Fluff E Bunnie on March 31, 2008, 11:08:58 AM
http://pba.ultimateathleticstore.com/pba-jersey-bg.html
http://pba.ultimateathleticstore.com/pba-jersey-br.html
http://pba.ultimateathleticstore.com/pba-jersey-red.html
The fans are going to be bowlers. Bowlers bowl. They are bowling shirts... I don't think someone wearing the official merchandise to league would be that much of a stretch and it is weird that it is even an issue.
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Post by: JoeBowler on March 31, 2008, 11:10:21 AM
More than half there members should not be considered professional level. And there are many more nonmembers that could be considered professional.
Post by: jkiser01 on April 23, 2008, 04:15:22 PM
ALL bowlers in a PBA regional event have to wear a PBA patch on thier right sleeve, period. Member and non-members. Its a PBA rule.
I have 3 shirts with my name and patches that I use only when I am bowling regionals and I never wear them anywhere else, period..
{quote} Unless the rules have changed a guest is not required to wear a patch. It is an option, as a guest, to wear the patch but not required. Only PBA members are required to wear the patch.
As far as the patch being sticky I find it dumb. If it's to go on a shirt then it makes more sense to have it stitched on.
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