What about the 2 handed leftys?

Quote from: JustRico on December 28, 2015, 04:40:54 PM

It's environmental...players are a product of that...topography is also a factor...you compete in the same building on the same surface and except a differing result?
When continual play happens on a plastic surface...residual friction will dictate play area more than a 'pattern'
Named pattern mean absolutely nothing....too many variables dictate outcome get past it

Rico - Great comment.  Can you expand further.  How come on the tour, at least from a TV view point, you may have one righty playing up 5, one playing 10, Pete Weber is playing 15 and Belmonte is doing his thing all around the same break point.  While a show full of lefties are all playing the same line?  Is that the pattern, the lanes, or just where the lefties play?

Thanks for the thoughts in advance.

I think this shows that even the pros - as great as they are in the sport - still have their comfort zone, and I'm not talking about the lefties here.

It actually would have been interesting if Fagan bowled this one, as while we know he can wheel it better than anyone, he can square up and throw straight up the boards. I'm trying to remember the last time when Weber (modern day Weber) went down and in. Belmonte could do it, but at the cost of jacking up the pattern so badly that everyone else's line would be screwed.

With that type of pattern and play, you could see a bit of teamwork in what the lefties we re doing, which was not just powering through or slogging through the pattern, but helping to break it down for each other as well. Righties, just by nature of how many there are, would be all over the place. The World Championship finals are proof of that, as well as having that "B" game available to you should the pattern call for it.

Again, if a Stayrook, Couch, Mazza, or Ward rolled on this, the results could be different.

BL.

A couple of lefties that have made the show wouldn't be in the top 5 of my Wednesday scratch league

Dam what's all this hate for Lefty's. Can't we just congratulate the player for bowling good instead of congratulating his left arm.

I think most of us here respect each other opinions, but we also have learned over time who has credibility.  So I can understand the frustration when someone posts something that you disagree with completely and feel they do not have the experience to make that statement.

First Bradl you canNOT make a blatantly ignorant statement such as 'Again if.Stayrook, Couch, Mazza or Ward rolled on this, the results would be different'...FIRST OF ALL DO NOT DISCREDIT THE INDIVIDUALS THERE...

I am not discrediting them by any means. For what those lefties did compared to the rest of the field is nothing short of amazing, and that is saying a lot compared to the other tournaments they've had on the tour over the past few years. We almost had an entire lefty final for the first time in nearly 20 years. That is saying a hell of a lot.

But it didn't get that way from everyone playing multiple angles, did it? That's my point. In fact, you said it yourself: The four that competed in the World Championship (I haven't seen the other finals yet) were not only in their element, but in the right conditions that played to the strengths of their element.

The 4 you mentioned were also products of their environment...the conditions ALLOWED IT...and they were not the highest rev rate lefties...you FORGET Aulby and Richie Wolfe...remember the arena showed they competed in and BOTH were sliding in the right gutters?

Mentioning Aulby and Wolfe are actually lending credence to my question. Seeing how much they liked to wheel the ball, would playing that type of line actually hurt Ciminelli, Norton, or Faulkner? I'm not saying that they couldn't adjust or handle the breakdown, but from that set of finalists throwing the same line, they could easily read off each other and make the adjustments needed.

You think you know what's going on and 9 outa 10 times you couldn't be farther off base...guys don't shoe up and automatically have a condition or reaction...its ENVIRONMENTAL...

Wow. I only ask a question and get blasted. How about taking a breath and chilling out. No need to get worked up over a question.

The topography of the stadium is different anywhere else other than maybe any of the casino centers...

You're not telling us something we do not already know.

You see right handers playing the conditions differently in the fronts but if you watch down lane they're not far off at their break points...
Conditions (patterns) dictate perceived play...and the players influence this....you have the highest combination of rev rates anywhere plus continual play for a longer period...
Quit making blanket statements of how a certain player or would not do...its ignorant

I never said they couldn't. What I am wondering is if playing the same line helped those 4 lefties while most right handers playing those multiple angles hurt their game in that tournament, and what if someone who would play a deeper angle on the left side, like a Ward, Mazza, Aulby, Stayrook, etc., would get the same result.

So please, take whatever tangent you're wanting to roll on against me, keep it to yourself, or take it to a PM. You're a knowledgeable person; no need to be condescending.

BL.

Bowling stadium leans obviously.....   

Your comments abt Bob are not much different than my accomplishments and anyone as Bob should know making a comment abt a league bowler being as good as a touring player or making show is asinine...