Author Topic: Storm staffers #'s 1,2 and 3 At the Dick Weber (Read 9082 times)

Hogsharley · « **on:** February 07, 2009, 06:45:10 AM »

Storm has been having tons of success this season and with the top 3 seeds this week it appears the success will continue. Storm has 6 championships with their balls already this year and you could even add another 1/2 of another one when PA used a Storm ball on one lane and a Hammer ball on the other at the National Bowling Stadium Championship. Add another 2 championships by Wes Malott using sister company Roto Grip balls and you have 8 1/2 winners in 12 events so far this year.

I think they may have to start checking these balls for steroids.
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Z Jellsey · « **Reply #61 on:** February 12, 2009, 12:54:36 AM »

Krakken = MO-RON! Just shut up!

rotomike · « **Reply #62 on:** February 12, 2009, 02:26:55 PM »

Ric,

Krakken does have a clue to what he says. He is a league secretary of of PBA experience league. I happen to be the league president. We were a sport league since the inception of the "Sport" program and then switched over to PBAX when it became available. One of our league bowlers actually bowled in the womens series the last two seasons. Although we amateurs don't break the lanes down like the tour guys do she has said that the patterns play close.(anyone would be a fool to say they are the same)

We have compared graphs from our league and the graphed posted in the paddock by the tour on many occasions. It is well known that the tour tinkers with the patterns stop to stop. Saying that, the only major deviation we have seen so far was this seasons Earl graph. The tour put down less oil gutter to gutter. The shape of the graph looked similar but the total amount was less.

The argument I see here is one of volume versus distribution.
What I have seen with our graphs and the tour graphs is that the volume of oil at the 22' tape is higher this season versus last year with a smaller increase at ths 2' prior to the end of the pattern tape. The distribution is flatter. Does a change in either of these make a difference in ball reaction??? Hell Yeah!!!

As you can see by my signature I do represent Roto Grip. I would agree that in the past balls coming out of Utah had a reputation of going uber long and snapping in the back. It is my opinion that since the release of the Horizon Solid and the Special Agent, that reputation has been quashed and Utah based covers have made for much much better heavy oil balls.

There was a lot of negative emotion expressed in earlier posts and that is unfortunate. I think the quality of the balls produced today is the highest the market has ever seen and as you had mentioned earlier it is more about how a bowler matches up than what label on the ball reads. Also by how many we can sell to our customers.

Z Jellsey,

Chill out please...

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Z Jellsey · « **Reply #63 on:** February 12, 2009, 02:37:48 PM »

I will, I am sorry.

JustRico · « **Reply #64 on:** February 12, 2009, 04:09:52 PM »

To end this discussion on my part, merely being the secretary or the president of a league, no matter what kind it is, is not an authority of much else than that league. Knowing how the patterns play and transitions is the part of being a ball rep. What happens on tour HAPPENS NO WHERE ELSE. You cannot duplicate what happens out there. GRAPHS MEAN ABSOLUTELY NOTHING. When was the last time you bowled on a graph? How much do you know about memory or residual friction or heat? Merely having the machines and basing something, in a house league environement from the previous year means absolutely nothing.
You want to continue to defend this topic, go ahead. I at no time bashed Storm covers. I was merely stating a well known FACT. You base things in your world, we do it in the BIG PICTURE.
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Krakken · « **Reply #65 on:** February 12, 2009, 04:51:43 PM »

Ahhh it was only a matter of time till the juveniles resorted to name calling and childish tactics to back up your arguments.

I will end with this, I am no touring pro and never said I was. Also never tried to compare our shot to what the PBA lays out (stated that several times though it must be tough to read with you thinking of funny insults) All I said was the initial patterns that were give to us (and thus the starting point for what they lay down on tour) played tighter from the same patterns they gave us last year.

You took it whatever way you want and that is fine.

Your argument held a lot more weight until you acted like a child with the insults and name calling.

Between rotomike (who speaks to tour reps on a daily basis) and, the person in our league that actually bowled on both last years and this year on tour (multiple events through match play)

We feel that it is tighter.

You are welcomed to your opinion though.
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SKIDSNAP · « **Reply #66 on:** February 12, 2009, 06:35:42 PM »

Justrico...

"to end this discussion on my part..."

Graphs are used for a initial basis of comparison. The guy said the patterns did not break down the same as on tour or did you miss that when you were too busy being boastful and superior...

Well aren't you the big man with the casual toss of a technical phrase like memory and residual friction and clever with the put-downs his "world" versus your "big picture" (BTW you still repping??? oh yeah... well...) your "FACT" has context but that obviously is lost on you as well...

that guarantees why you don't.....

nevermind ....

DP3 · « **Reply #67 on:** February 12, 2009, 07:06:59 PM »

I bowl the aforementioned league, and I believe the lanes do play tighter from the start as well. Combining factors with a very hard Brunswick Proanvil-hang(oops, I mean lane) surface, the majority of the league not throwing new enough oil soaking covers, nor having the revrate to break down these patterns as quickly as the tour guys can that these factors add to the "tightness" this year. Those combining factors seem to add to the fact that the lanes seem to get tighter as night goes on instead of breaking down easier like they do on tour.

I've been fortunate enough to see and play enough of these patterns over a variety of surfaces through coaching collegiately and practicing at three centers that can lay down these patterns on completely different surfaces (Proanvilane, 2nd gen HPL, 4 year old wood). Mimicking a lane pattern is virtually impossible when you take into every factor besides the graph. It is what it is. I've heard the strikepass commentary and first hand tour accounts from a few exempt friends and they've echoed the "they are hooking!" sentiments. They're also bowling 3x-5x the number of games as a league would in a day, with 3x the revrate of us league bowlers, and the newest strongest veneers that are made. It's easy to me to see why they're hooking alot more out there and not out "here".
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Z Jellsey · « **Reply #68 on:** February 12, 2009, 08:28:07 PM »

You 3 and your league are the only bowlers on this planet that would think these patterns play tighter. There's NOT 1 player on tour that would agree with you. I challenge you to find me 1!

DP3 · « **Reply #69 on:** February 12, 2009, 09:23:30 PM »

If you even bothered to get the point of my post, they play tighter in that *ONE HOUSE* because of a few varying factors. I've bowled a few tournaments and have practiced on all 5 animal patterns and the US Open pattern on 3 other different surfaces and none have mimmicked the tight feeling of Fort Meade Lanes and their tendency to not want to hook down lane regardless of the pattern. With any pattern, underlying house characteristics are going to be the determining factor in how "true" the pattern is supposed to play to form.

Read, listen, then comprehend before firing off something besides the point made.
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...The Twelve In a Row Pro Shop. AMF Bowie Lanes -- Bowie, MD

Edited on 2/12/2009 10:24 PM

Krakken · « **Reply #70 on:** February 13, 2009, 08:00:55 AM »

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You 3 and your league are the only bowlers on this planet that would think these patterns play tighter. There's NOT 1 player on tour that would agree with you. I challenge you to find me 1!

See rotomike's post, we do have a touring player in our lague. And how would you know that we are the only 3 on the planet? You talk to every bowler on the planet?

And all I have seen are a few people on here that think they have lowered the volume (All year, even I said I agree they lowered it after Reno)

Again, I have said the patterns we were provided last year to this year play tighter, and the graph will indicate that they didn't lower the volume.

Now having said that for the 100th time for the people that don't like to ready the whole post before popping off at the mouth (Zjellsey) I knwo they tweak the shot form week to week, and even day to day in the same tourney. I am merely statign the starting off point at the beginnign of the year.

The lane surface will have a lot to do with it. If you lay the same shot on AMF synthentics and Brunswick pro anvaline, they will play different, one tighter (Brunswick) and one will be more wide open (The AMF).

Case in point. The Shark Championship in Baltimore. Played on older AMF synthetics. That house has a ton of hook no matter what the shot. Put that same shot on a brunswick lane and it is 3-5 boards tighter.

It seems you just don't get what I am trying to explain, maybe that is my way of explaining it, or you are dead set in your position that there is less oil this year than there was last year.

Either way, you should be able to present facts to back up your argument and get your point across. Instead you are just yelling from the mountaintops and saying the 3 of us are wrong.

Where is your proof that they did lower the volume all year?

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Z Jellsey · « **Reply #71 on:** February 13, 2009, 11:02:00 AM »

I would have a more intelligent discussion if I yelled AT THE MOUNTAIN TOPS, I'm done.

nospareball · « **Reply #72 on:** February 13, 2009, 11:25:06 AM »

I always thought that Storm covers responded quicker to friction, and were cleaner through the front where all of the oil is. To me this translates into more recovery room at the end of the pattern, and more retention of energy when the fronts start to go.

Sure there are exceptions to the rule, but I've always found their stuff skid-snap in nature, especially the midrange stuff that you see the pros use on tv.

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Krakken · « **Reply #73 on:** February 13, 2009, 12:26:14 PM »

quote:
I would have a more intelligent discussion if I yelled AT THE MOUNTAIN TOPS, I'm done.

Thank god.
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