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Name a Pro Bowler that would.....
« on: May 22, 2009, 01:50:50 PM »
in your opnion not be where they are at with out all the great technology that we have now.  Say that All we had these days were platic balls with pancake cores.  What pro bowler would not be where they are today??  Just for fun not trying to take anything away from those guys cause they are great.
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Re: Name a Pro Bowler that would.....
« Reply #16 on: May 23, 2009, 02:19:35 AM »
DP3,

I'm not discrediting anyone. I'm only saying that I'm just unsure about the results based on releases. Would they beat me, of course! Am I better than any of them, of course not! I also realize how they placed in one tournament while I guess I'm thinking more long term in that aspect.

All that I'm saying is that, back in the day, those who seemed to be able to get their ball into a more stable roll of their hand appeared to score better over the long run. Sorry for any confusion.
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Re: Name a Pro Bowler that would.....
« Reply #17 on: May 23, 2009, 02:26:16 AM »
with the current lane surfaces used on tour i think that the plastic ball tournament would have been fairly indicative of what the pros can do with such equipment.
however, if the tour still used lacquer or even old wood lanes the story may be a bit different.  If it was simply plastic balls on good surfaces I would have to say Norm Duke.  As good and accurate as he is, he would not be able to play his straighter angles and enjoy the luxury of good carry to the extent that he has.  I think he would still be on tour, but not a player of the year contender without the aggressive coverstocks and strong cores featured in today's bowling balls.  What makes Duke special is that he can play straight the longest, and with everybody else being forced right with weak equipment, he would lose his advantage.
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Re: Name a Pro Bowler that would.....
« Reply #18 on: May 23, 2009, 03:41:18 AM »
easiest question ever.
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Re: Name a Pro Bowler that would.....
« Reply #19 on: May 23, 2009, 07:06:48 AM »
Its something that simply cannot be answered as we just don't know. One thing I will say is that the reason certain bowlers bowl they way they do is because the current equipment available allows them to.

If this equipment was not available then it is quite likely that they would have a differnt release entirely and who is to say that they would not have been as good as they currently are or possibly even better?

I am no pro but I know myself that if such aggresive balls were not available, I would simply bowl a different way and whilst things like carry might change a bit, I doubt my accuracy would and I don't believe that would be the case for the pros either and when push comes to shove that is the key to sports such as ours.
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Re: Name a Pro Bowler that would.....
« Reply #20 on: May 23, 2009, 08:54:58 AM »
I'm sorry but everybody that mentioned Wes, Chris, Fagan, Shafer are all way off base.  The people with heavy hands would be fine.  You would need to look at those who are in between heavy and straight.   Furthermore the Pro's on tour right now I think have been able to make alot of changes in there game and I think would have been able to handle using plastic it is about making consistent shots.  They are Pro's for a reason.

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Re: Name a Pro Bowler that would.....
« Reply #21 on: May 23, 2009, 09:02:16 AM »
Walter Ray and Duke.  The majority of their titles have come during the resin era.  Before then they were the kings of plaque 10s.
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Re: Name a Pro Bowler that would.....
« Reply #22 on: May 23, 2009, 09:08:35 AM »
In general terms I'd say resin balls tend to favor anyone who plays straighter. You hear the pros say it all of the time, even the power players like Mallot or Tommy Jones have all said,"Straighter is greater" on the pro tour.Most of the patterns are flatter putting more of a premium on accuracy and the ability to read lane transition.That being said I believe Pete Weber would have won more, Walter Ray less
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Re: Name a Pro Bowler that would.....
« Reply #23 on: May 23, 2009, 09:29:33 AM »
You guys have to remember that with the new technology has came more and more oil. Back when it was just plastic and urethane there was short oil. Since the reactive balls have came along and the technology has advanced with the coverstocks so has the oil patterns. There has been more oil added as well as the pattern stretched out further down the lane.
To sit here and say this pro or that pro would not be as good is hard to say because the oil has changed as well. Look at guys like PDW, Duke, PB3, WRW, they all have been around to see everything change and they all have stayed up on top. The pros are out on tour because they have learned to adapt to differing circumstances including ball technology as well as oil technology.
In my eyes there are to many variables to consider when tossing this question out.
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Re: Name a Pro Bowler that would.....
« Reply #24 on: May 23, 2009, 10:19:46 AM »
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Re: Name a Pro Bowler that would.....
« Reply #25 on: May 23, 2009, 02:19:13 PM »
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That was a modified pattern
And we watched those guys scuff the hell out that equipment before they used it
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So what? You think that if we all went back to plastic and pancakes tomorrow that they would keep the volumes of oil as high as they are now?

The reason Cheetah was modified for the Plastic Ball Championship was to get it more in line with the volumes that were in use back when plastic was king. If you took today's PBA patterns back to 1960 and had those guys bowl on them, it would look like the "wet" lanes at the Peterson. Everyone would be sliding through the back.

I don't think scuffing the ball was just invented in the 1990s, either.

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Re: Name a Pro Bowler that would.....
« Reply #26 on: May 23, 2009, 02:48:38 PM »
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Re: Name a Pro Bowler that would.....
« Reply #27 on: May 23, 2009, 04:06:43 PM »
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Re: Name a Pro Bowler that would.....
« Reply #28 on: May 23, 2009, 08:34:40 PM »
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belmonte and palermaa would each have about 10+ titles.  


I couldn't agree more..

What folks probably cant imagine is that these two guys are incredibly accurate.. I once saw a CATS analysis of Osku from some tournament and he the most he sprayed in 6 games was 4 boards.. In that block he had about 3 games in which he didn't spray more than 3 boards.. And that included 19 frames straight in which he didn't spray more than 2 boards..

I'm not trying to sound like a Osku or Jason die hard.. But i've bowled a lot tournaments with these guys and they still impress me over and over again..

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Re: Name a Pro Bowler that would.....
« Reply #29 on: May 23, 2009, 08:42:47 PM »
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Re: Name a Pro Bowler that would.....
« Reply #30 on: May 24, 2009, 04:59:03 AM »
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CHRIS BARNES AVERAGED 239 IN THE PLASTIC BALL TOURNEY. I THINK HE WOULD DO FINE. I SAW WES MALOTT ON THE KING OF BOWLING WITH A PLASTIC BALL, HE SURE CAN HOOK IT, I THINK HE SHOT 249, BUT THAT WAS WITH UNBELEIVABLE CARRY AT THE USBC KEGEL CENTER



Dude what you dont get is, those were not just a regular old Spongebob Squarepants plastic ball in my Joe Schmoe bag. Those balls had a pancake weightblock in them. The ball was drilled to hook. So, infact, those high scores werent actually as impressive..they might as well have been throwing my Flash Force or my Tropical Storm with about $5 worth of wax on them! JEEZ!
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