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911chilli

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pba bowlers are better than joe bowler
« on: November 23, 2008, 05:46:05 AM »
okay after the telecast today i get it their better bowlers, but i already knew that. Is it that bad for the probolwers they have to have tv segement to explain it to us. Just thought it was a little odd.
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Re: pba bowlers are better than joe bowler
« Reply #16 on: November 23, 2008, 03:14:31 PM »
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There is no reason for anybody to knock any level of bowler...we need as much participation as we can get in the sport. If they wanted to educate the general bowling public, i wish we could've done it in a different manner. I cant speak for the office, but i certainly didnt feel like any particular message got across from this event


Jeff, don't you realize that knocking other people is what folk on here do best?
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« Reply #17 on: November 23, 2008, 03:29:36 PM »
I did not get to see all of the show but did hear Randy say that it was a tougher shot then the THS but easier then the regular PBA patterns. Perhaps Jeff could let us know how the shot played. If you did already in your blogs I appologize. I am one that I like to see high scoring but I would rather watch the pros adjust to the pattern as it breaks down. This was a good show imo.
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« Reply #18 on: November 23, 2008, 03:40:49 PM »
I wasn't to impressed with the show today, the pattern looked longer than most THS patterns at least the ones around here.

I really have no opinions about the scoring pace on the PBA. But when I someone talks to me about being able to beat the pros I ask why idon't see them at local tournements if they are so good.
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Re: pba bowlers are better than joe bowler
« Reply #19 on: November 23, 2008, 03:54:10 PM »
Hate to say it but you are right, it made me think I could hang with some of you on that pattern. Big flop so let them know in the front office what is being posted here, probably should print this thread.


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That's why i said all along that no good could come from this event
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Re: pba bowlers are better than joe bowler
« Reply #20 on: November 23, 2008, 03:59:47 PM »
I was looking forward to this tournament, but after watching it today, to me, it was a dud. All they did was brag about the high scores and I know that during qualifying and match play that the scores were there, but what about on TV? I don't think there should be any excuses if the pattern is supposedly easier than what they normally bowl on and looking at the scores over the week, the drop off in scores today was a real let down, and not much of a "Ultimate Scoring" Championship.
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« Reply #21 on: November 23, 2008, 04:02:10 PM »
I don't forget PA averaged over 260 and tied a PBA scoring record as well.
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« Reply #22 on: November 23, 2008, 04:04:28 PM »
Two ideas that should cause a better scoring environment if they do this again (and I hope they don't):

- Use a lane machine that buffs, the A-22 doesn't.

- Use broken in pins, the carry on those new pins was horrid.

Awful concept for a tournament, if the scores on TV were low (as they were) the pros look bad, if the scores on TV were high, people would say the pros "just did what they were supposed to do."
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« Reply #23 on: November 23, 2008, 05:48:11 PM »
It didn't seem like they had trouble hitting the pocket, and I even noticed a few mistakes made that wound up with strikes that would never fly normally, the low scores seemed to be a direct correlation to carry.

As we all know, that is the problem with a THS, whoever carries better will win.
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« Reply #24 on: November 23, 2008, 06:00:28 PM »
I agree with Jeff on this one, no good could come from this format.  It did nothing for the average viewer.  The people who regularly watch the PBA telecasts already know how great these players are.
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« Reply #25 on: November 23, 2008, 06:09:52 PM »
Well, it is an interesting marketing stragety insult your customers (the fans).  Lets how it works for them.

BTW it is not like those that actually are interested enough to watch the PBA on ESPN didn't realize that the pros are better bowlers already.
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911chilli

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« Reply #26 on: November 23, 2008, 06:14:16 PM »
Side note why don't they keep the step ladder format, nothing like seeing a guy run the table and win, just one mans opinion.
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« Reply #27 on: November 23, 2008, 06:24:20 PM »
If you saw the show today you would have heard that they had 18 300 games this week , one guy had 3 and several had 2 , how long does it take for your house to get 18 300 games?
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« Reply #28 on: November 23, 2008, 10:16:36 PM »
this is my first post so bear with me please.  i think its important to remember that the all the pros are human too.  they all make mistakes in ball choice or hand position and they miss thier marks just like we all do.  im not sure if i was happy to see them struggle or if i was disappointed with the "lower than predicted scores."  many bowlers on this site im sure could bowl well on the tour given enough practice and unlimited ball selections thru sponsorships.  heck i would love to quit my job and compete each week instead of bowling three diff leagues, in three diff houses, with three diff "typical house shots".
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« Reply #29 on: November 23, 2008, 10:33:24 PM »
that was not really a ths that you would see.. It was a hair easier than their other patters but the light from the show can make the patter break down very funny

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had to fill the tv time this week.  It was tape delayed so you did not have all the other side events going on.  

I did not even see how they are better when this was a THS and they struggled.  Honestly was not impressed.  This season seems very boring
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« Reply #30 on: November 23, 2008, 11:42:51 PM »
I don't think this event proved the point they wanted.
Most people that watch PBA bowling already know that they are not as good as your touring pros.  Plus they generally know about house shot vs PBA or Sport shot.  By belitteling these TV viewing bowlers you are alienating them, IMO. They took their customer base and told them they were worthless as bowlers. I'm wondering why league bowlers in general would watch this.  There was no high scoring and just a lot of talk (that most may not understand) about how this shot was like a league shot and therefore so much easier, even though the scoring didn't show that.  

One comment was something along the lines of "if you bowl league you have the same house shot week after week".  Well obviously they have not bowled in many of our local centers week after week.  Sure the shot is attempted to be similar but its not.   Even the best house is week after week fantastic and then when you least expect it a wrench or something is thrown in there.  Is this right? or is this wrong?  Who cares. It never gets tough like PBA pattern tough.   The basic league bowler that is over 180 average, knows when their house shot is altered for whatever reason. But if they watch the PBA on TV then they already know about PBa patterns.    

Also these touring pros have not had to deal with open play before their leagues.  Or bowling before a full house of jrs before your league.  Or bowling on a condition that has not been stripped in a week.  A house with 50% of the pins off spot or soaked in water and simple green overnight to "clean" them.  Or bowling with 1/2 of the people on your pair using plastic down the middle.  Or giving 300+ pins handicap a game when that afore mentioned wrench comes into play.  I'm not saying they could not dominate under these circumstances but there are definately factors that the TV broadcast did not take into account when they were saying how easy Joe Bowler's shot is.  

I just don't think this event showed the PBA bowlers off or illustrated the differnce between house shots and PBA shots.

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