Post by: 911chilli on November 23, 2008, 05:46:05 AM
Post by: Cbjdc on November 23, 2008, 01:53:05 PM
I did not even see how they are better when this was a THS and they struggled. Honestly was not impressed. This season seems very boring
Post by: Strokewiththelefthand on November 23, 2008, 01:57:00 PM
Post by: mrteach3 on November 23, 2008, 02:01:46 PM
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Post by: Rileybowler on November 23, 2008, 02:02:26 PM
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Post by: 911chilli on November 23, 2008, 02:06:13 PM
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If you saw the show today you would have heard that they had 18 300 games this week , one guy had 3 and several had 2 , how long does it take for your house to get 18 300 games?
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it was the segement where they had the pros come on and talk how much better they were, it just seemed odd to me thats all i know their better thats a given.
Post by: Rileybowler on November 23, 2008, 02:16:40 PM
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Post by: mrteach3 on November 23, 2008, 02:24:10 PM
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Who needs a 300 or 800, when I have a 294 and a 295!?!?!
Post by: Jeff Carter on November 23, 2008, 02:27:36 PM
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Post by: mrteach3 on November 23, 2008, 02:33:27 PM
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Post by: Strider on November 23, 2008, 02:35:10 PM
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Post by: Jeff Carter on November 23, 2008, 02:57:34 PM
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Post by: BowlingWolf on November 23, 2008, 02:59:00 PM
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I think maybe it could be that they want to get the guys in the league especially the better ones to join a PBA league and see the difference
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Here’s my take on Joe Bowler vs. The Professionals:
League bowlers, and recreational bowlers alike, only get to bowl on typical house shots.
If the really good amateur league bowlers had the luxury of practicing on the "tougher" PBA patterns whenever they wanted to, they would learn which balls to use, where to play on the lane, and eventually adjust on the dime as do the pros (or at least adjust much quicker).
But being that most of us only ever get to practice on THS conditions, when we get to play the PBA patterns, naturally we'll struggle a little. Given the opportunity to constantly practice on other shots would make one feel much more comfortable when confronted with the tougher patterns.
I remember seeing a graph a couple of years ago showing how the pros averages dipped the first time different patterns were implemented about half a decade ago, but after the very first season the averages quickly jumped because they got to practice on those patterns on a regular basis, thus knowing or having an idea of where/how to play each individual pattern and the type of balls/layouts to use and when to switch to other equipment as the lanes transition.
Practice does indeed make perfect, and the pros, being that bowling is their livelihood, are quite good at knowledge accumulation/adjusting accordingly as per their very well honed games/experiences.
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Post by: charlest on November 23, 2008, 03:09:15 PM
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had to fill the tv time this week. It was tape delayed so you did not have all the other side events going on.
I did not even see how they are better when this was a THS and they struggled. Honestly was not impressed. This season seems very boring
I don't think you listened. It wasn't a THS. It was the PBA's version of a THS. Most of the week 1-5 was out of bounds.
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Post by: charlest on November 23, 2008, 03:10:35 PM
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No offense to the bowlers on TV today, as they are better than 99% of us, but the Ultimate Scoring Championship did little, if not zero, to prove how good they really are.
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They should have done something to counteract the heat of the lights and whatever else interefered with the lane oil.
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Post by: renaissanceman517kak on November 23, 2008, 03:14:31 PM
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There is no reason for anybody to knock any level of bowler...we need as much participation as we can get in the sport. If they wanted to educate the general bowling public, i wish we could've done it in a different manner. I cant speak for the office, but i certainly didnt feel like any particular message got across from this event
Jeff, don't you realize that knocking other people is what folk on here do best?
Post by: sdbowler on November 23, 2008, 03:29:36 PM
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Post by: mainzer on November 23, 2008, 03:40:49 PM
I really have no opinions about the scoring pace on the PBA. But when I someone talks to me about being able to beat the pros I ask why idon't see them at local tournements if they are so good.
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Post by: mrbowlingnut on November 23, 2008, 03:54:10 PM
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That's why i said all along that no good could come from this event
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Post by: pegleg42090 on November 23, 2008, 03:59:47 PM
Post by: twister on November 23, 2008, 04:02:10 PM
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Post by: backupball on November 23, 2008, 04:04:28 PM
- Use a lane machine that buffs, the A-22 doesn't.
- Use broken in pins, the carry on those new pins was horrid.
Awful concept for a tournament, if the scores on TV were low (as they were) the pros look bad, if the scores on TV were high, people would say the pros "just did what they were supposed to do."
Post by: tenpin477 on November 23, 2008, 05:48:11 PM
As we all know, that is the problem with a THS, whoever carries better will win.
Post by: titletowncards on November 23, 2008, 06:00:28 PM
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Post by: chawk17 on November 23, 2008, 06:09:52 PM
BTW it is not like those that actually are interested enough to watch the PBA on ESPN didn't realize that the pros are better bowlers already.
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Post by: 911chilli on November 23, 2008, 06:14:16 PM
Post by: Cbjdc on November 23, 2008, 06:24:20 PM
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Our bowling centers down here are currently at 20 for the season. Nine 800's have been bowled. It is the worst lane condition a bowler can bowl on.... (ROLLING THE EYES)
Post by: albrahal on November 23, 2008, 10:16:36 PM
Post by: los2003 on November 23, 2008, 10:33:24 PM
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had to fill the tv time this week. It was tape delayed so you did not have all the other side events going on.
I did not even see how they are better when this was a THS and they struggled. Honestly was not impressed. This season seems very boring
Post by: Atochabsh on November 23, 2008, 11:42:51 PM
Most people that watch PBA bowling already know that they are not as good as your touring pros. Plus they generally know about house shot vs PBA or Sport shot. By belitteling these TV viewing bowlers you are alienating them, IMO. They took their customer base and told them they were worthless as bowlers. I'm wondering why league bowlers in general would watch this. There was no high scoring and just a lot of talk (that most may not understand) about how this shot was like a league shot and therefore so much easier, even though the scoring didn't show that.
One comment was something along the lines of "if you bowl league you have the same house shot week after week". Well obviously they have not bowled in many of our local centers week after week. Sure the shot is attempted to be similar but its not. Even the best house is week after week fantastic and then when you least expect it a wrench or something is thrown in there. Is this right? or is this wrong? Who cares. It never gets tough like PBA pattern tough. The basic league bowler that is over 180 average, knows when their house shot is altered for whatever reason. But if they watch the PBA on TV then they already know about PBa patterns.
Also these touring pros have not had to deal with open play before their leagues. Or bowling before a full house of jrs before your league. Or bowling on a condition that has not been stripped in a week. A house with 50% of the pins off spot or soaked in water and simple green overnight to "clean" them. Or bowling with 1/2 of the people on your pair using plastic down the middle. Or giving 300+ pins handicap a game when that afore mentioned wrench comes into play. I'm not saying they could not dominate under these circumstances but there are definately factors that the TV broadcast did not take into account when they were saying how easy Joe Bowler's shot is.
I just don't think this event showed the PBA bowlers off or illustrated the differnce between house shots and PBA shots.
Erin
Post by: KennyRambo on November 24, 2008, 01:32:09 AM
And with lanes being easy, it becomes more of a who doesn't #&$* up mental approach, as opposed to a tougher shot where you have to step it up to win.
Post by: tonybowls on November 24, 2008, 04:19:43 AM
Post by: Pinbuster on November 24, 2008, 05:52:59 AM
When this was announced I figured the PBA had nothing to gain and everything to loose.
Scores on the show had to be high.
If they were everyone would say they expected it and no big deal.
If scores were not high then everyone would go that the pro's are not any better than the league bowlers at home.
They are trying to educate the general public but the general public doesn't watch bowling for the most part.
And you can tell by the posts here that few on this board give them the respect they deserve.
Post by: LordWalrus on November 24, 2008, 07:45:32 AM
Two thumbs down to the PBA for this effort.
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Post by: BowlingWolf on November 24, 2008, 08:24:36 AM
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Post by: Pinbuster on November 24, 2008, 08:41:12 AM
The Chameleon pattern was probably still in the memory of the lanes so the pattern might not have been as easy as it was earlier in the week during qualifying.
Post by: Gazoo on November 24, 2008, 08:50:51 AM
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Post by: ScottC on November 24, 2008, 10:52:52 AM
The best part was the interviews, Parker Bohn III, to be exact. He say's "On our patterns, you can't just play outside 5 or 10." Cut to video, PBIII striking, playing where? Outside of 5 or 10.
The whole thing reminds me of golf announcers. When a pro hits a bad shot they always make some comment about the poor lie. An amateur hits the same shot and they just comment on the difference in skill set.
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Post by: on November 24, 2008, 11:16:05 AM
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Nice marketing plan boys! Instead of the "Let's grow our sport attitude" let's go with "We're so much better than you, you can't even contemplate it." I understand why they didn't use the joe bowler ths. They wouldn't have any excuse for the pro's joe house bowler scores. Instead, they're were the constant reminders that this is much more difficult than you're regular house shot. Only a little bit easier than the regular patterns.
The best part was the interviews, Parker Bohn III, to be exact. He say's "On our patterns, you can't just play outside 5 or 10." Cut to video, PBIII striking, playing where? Outside of 5 or 10.
The whole thing reminds me of golf announcers. When a pro hits a bad shot they always make some comment about the poor lie. An amateur hits the same shot and they just comment on the difference in skill set.
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Post by: tdub36tjt on November 24, 2008, 12:52:44 PM
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If you saw the show today you would have heard that they had 18 300 games this week , one guy had 3 and several had 2 , how long does it take for your house to get 18 300 games?
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Post by: BowlingWolf on November 24, 2008, 01:22:18 PM
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a suggestion going forward- how about showing the hour before the pba sport shot tournaments start, when bowlers are throwing 40 grit to kill the oil. better yet, why not throw 2 balls on the pair like college bowling and actually bowl on the pattern being advertised. that would bring some credibility to what we are watching and to the sport in general.
Great idea, but one that will never happen. This would show/prove that some pros have the skill to master fresh pba patterns, not pba patterns that have holes purposely burnt into them, making them considerably easier to shoot on.
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Post by: JS on November 24, 2008, 01:31:50 PM
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a suggestion going forward- how about showing the hour before the pba sport shot tournaments start, when bowlers are throwing 40 grit to kill the oil. better yet, why not throw 2 balls on the pair like college bowling and actually bowl on the pattern being advertised. that would bring some credibility to what we are watching and to the sport in general.
Great idea, but one that will never happen. This would show/prove that some pros have the skill to master fresh pba patterns, not pba patterns that have holes purposely burnt into them, making them considerably easier to shoot on.
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I have been at the last 2 US Open shows and they oiled the lanes about 30 minutes prior to the show starting. I don't think there was even 15 minutes of practice on them before the lights came on.
Post by: BowlingWolf on November 24, 2008, 01:37:16 PM
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a suggestion going forward- how about showing the hour before the pba sport shot tournaments start, when bowlers are throwing 40 grit to kill the oil. better yet, why not throw 2 balls on the pair like college bowling and actually bowl on the pattern being advertised. that would bring some credibility to what we are watching and to the sport in general.
Great idea, but one that will never happen. This would show/prove that some pros have the skill to master fresh pba patterns, not pba patterns that have holes purposely burnt into them, making them considerably easier to shoot on.
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I have been at the last 2 US Open shows and they oiled the lanes about 30 minutes prior to the show starting. I don't think there was even 15 minutes of practice on them before the lights came on.
I'm not suggesting that the pros would not be able to figure out the lanes, even instantly, but for the most part they would not come out of the chute and start stringing strikes at will, if all competitors were only allowed 2 throws on each lane, without the usual at least 15 minutes of practice (even if it's 4 bowlers shooting for 15 minutes, which is at least one game's worth) as you've indicated above.
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Post by: Necromancer on November 24, 2008, 01:53:17 PM
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I was hoping to see a walled-up strike fest. Why didn't they give them the lights out 10/10 bumper shot? It looked like it was over/under hell on TV.
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Agreed. Another disaster for the PBA. If they are going to be legit and say it is a High Scoring Championship THS pattern, then put up a walled shot. That shot they were playing was obviously not walled since nearly no one played coast-to-coast - like one would if it was walled. I don't understand the PBA anymore.
I bet the plastic ball championship will be something else. I can't even predict how it will be messed up, but if I see teh averages are at the 220-230's, then something will be fishy.
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