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PBA League adding 2 Women's teams
« on: June 23, 2020, 12:30:42 PM »
https://www.pba.com/articles/Two-Womens-Professional-Bowling-Teams-Join-the-2020-PBA-League-Elias-Cup

This will be interesting to see how things go.

I'd like to see a team headlined with

Shannon O'Keefe
Jordan Richard
Liz Kuhlkin

I feel like those 3 together could move in and hook it some.

 

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Re: PBA League adding 2 Women's teams
« Reply #1 on: June 23, 2020, 12:51:45 PM »
https://www.pba.com/articles/Two-Womens-Professional-Bowling-Teams-Join-the-2020-PBA-League-Elias-Cup

This will be interesting to see how things go.

I'd like to see a team headlined with

Shannon O'Keefe
Jordan Richard
Liz Kuhlkin

I feel like those 3 together could move in and hook it some.

I'd throw Daria Pajak into that mix, and round it off with Aumi Guerra.

For that second team, I'd put in Dasha, Zavy, GG, Verity, and round it off with, especially for the intimidation factor for the likes of Rhino and Mallott, Liz Johnson.

I'd love to see the likes of them put a whoopin' on the boys.

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Re: PBA League adding 2 Women's teams
« Reply #2 on: June 23, 2020, 01:14:43 PM »
None of these women will strike enough the with men when you start covering real estate on the lane. Cute idea though.
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Re: PBA League adding 2 Women's teams
« Reply #3 on: June 23, 2020, 01:36:24 PM »
Require two women on each team and at least one has to be in the active line up. Then increase the number of teams by two.

Problem solved.
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« Reply #4 on: June 23, 2020, 03:40:38 PM »
Require two women on each team and at least one has to be in the active line up. Then increase the number of teams by two.

Problem solved.

Or, implement 2 women’s teams and watch them flat 10 the whole show.
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Re: PBA League adding 2 Women's teams
« Reply #5 on: June 23, 2020, 03:48:09 PM »
Require two women on each team and at least one has to be in the active line up. Then increase the number of teams by two.

Problem solved.

Or, implement 2 women’s teams and watch them flat 10 the whole show.

In a short format, I think the top women can stay with the men. Just there just aren't enough top women.

Makes me wonder how they will set up the patterns.
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Re: PBA League adding 2 Women's teams
« Reply #6 on: June 23, 2020, 05:13:32 PM »
The only chance the women would have is if they could field a team of lefties.  But I don't think there are enough.

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Re: PBA League adding 2 Women's teams
« Reply #7 on: June 23, 2020, 10:30:55 PM »
None of these women will strike enough the with men when you start covering real estate on the lane. Cute idea though.

Respectfully even if you eind up being right that is an assumption on your part.
Danielle McEwan    held her own in the PBA clash.event a couple weeks ago. Going out in round 5.

Although a little past her bowling prime.Kelly Kulick is a past TOC winner.

Also add in the fact the oil will change as the match rolls on you never know what can happen.

You may very well wind up being right, but you shouldn't be making that assumption.

Yes generally speaking the guys have a higher rev rate which helps

But the margin between a top male pro and a top female pro is thin. I would bet the mm anagers will do their homework, and only the 10 female bowlers with the best chance of being at least competetive with the men will be selected. Female bowlers tend to also be more technically sound with their form. So best to assume nothing till the tournament begins.

I also bet the PBA will want the woman to at least be able to hang tough the PBA is not going to want the women there just for show. The 10 women that get selected will be very strategically for the event.

Personally I would rather watch the women. Then Butturff and his damn duck walk down the lane.

Or Kyle Troup with his goofy outfits, and that annoying routine he does with the hair pick.

 
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Re: PBA League adding 2 Women's teams
« Reply #8 on: June 23, 2020, 11:49:49 PM »
Yes, I would have thought just adding a woman's slot to each team would have been a way to get them involved.

We don't have to guess how much better the men are, just look at scores in the double event.

I think at this point it has been proven however, that the absolute top women bowlers can compete on PBA level. By that, meaning they are competitive within the field. I believe 4 times women have made PBA telecasts, Liz Johnson twice, Kelly Kulick and the other I think was maria jose rodriguez made a show on Cheetah pattern (may be wrong). So sure, the two best women bowler's of last 20 years each got a PBA title. But at no point after they let women in PBA, so I believe you saw any large number of women enter and be competitive.

But then to get two teams of women to go against the men. I love women's bowling, but I also know that the field isn't super deep either. Also, when bowling against men, the lanes will break down faster and differently. It may be a bit of a learning curve?

Anyway, I love women's bowling and hope this works out well. Short events, or a baker style game on TV, and should be no problem.

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Re: PBA League adding 2 Women's teams
« Reply #9 on: June 27, 2020, 01:30:03 PM »
Lots of ways to look at this.  Transition is a big difference between the men's and women's games, and transition could make the shows interesting because it's not just going to affect the women, they're going to create some different transition for the men too.  I actually think that's why Daria had a down year, she's building more of a power game and I just don't think that's terribly useful or necessary on the PWBA where you're not dealing with the kind of transition that's going to put you in a situation where that's more advantageous. 

I actually was able to have Verity as a guest for a video yesterday to discuss this, it'll be up on my channel tomorrow morning, I'll share it here at some point tomorrow.
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« Reply #10 on: June 29, 2020, 12:19:22 PM »
Yes, I would have thought just adding a woman's slot to each team would have been a way to get them involved.

We don't have to guess how much better the men are, just look at scores in the double event.

I think at this point it has been proven however, that the absolute top women bowlers can compete on PBA level. By that, meaning they are competitive within the field. I believe 4 times women have made PBA telecasts, Liz Johnson twice, Kelly Kulick and the other I think was maria jose rodriguez made a show on Cheetah pattern (may be wrong). So sure, the two best women bowler's of last 20 years each got a PBA title. But at no point after they let women in PBA, so I believe you saw any large number of women enter and be competitive.

But then to get two teams of women to go against the men. I love women's bowling, but I also know that the field isn't super deep either. Also, when bowling against men, the lanes will break down faster and differently. It may be a bit of a learning curve?

Anyway, I love women's bowling and hope this works out well. Short events, or a baker style game on TV, and should be no problem.

Close. It was Clara. She needed a strike and count in the 10th to beat Mallott. Left a ringing 10 on a really good shot. Wes lucked out on that one, as he left the opening there for her to walk through and beat him.

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Re: PBA League adding 2 Women's teams
« Reply #11 on: June 29, 2020, 02:45:18 PM »
There is no lane pattern that will let top women pros stay with the men over anything but a very short format.  Seniors with lower rev rates  have the same problem.  You can shoot big numbers on a pattern, but put the power players out there, and it drops scoring  for the lower rev players a lot as the lanes transition

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« Reply #12 on: June 30, 2020, 09:42:13 AM »
I think the women have a decent chance to compete for several reasons.  First reason is that it is not a carry contest where you have to shoot 250 to win every game.  There have been plenty of times the men have shot below 210.  Secondly, there are several women who have won titles on their respective tour playing inside 3rd arrow. Another reason is that there are plenty of women with enough rev rate to hang with the guys.  When Kulick won the TOC, it wasnt like she was playing outside second arrow.  Memory serves me correctly, she was playing 3rd arrow if not close to 4th arrow in the title match and waxed Barnes 265 - 195.   A 7-10 split cost her a chance at perfection on the biggest stage.  So it is definitely possible for the woman to hang with the men and with the short format, anything can happen.
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« Reply #13 on: June 30, 2020, 12:37:17 PM »
I think the women have a decent chance to compete for several reasons.  First reason is that it is not a carry contest where you have to shoot 250 to win every game.  There have been plenty of times the men have shot below 210.  Secondly, there are several women who have won titles on their respective tour playing inside 3rd arrow. Another reason is that there are plenty of women with enough rev rate to hang with the guys.  When Kulick won the TOC, it wasnt like she was playing outside second arrow.  Memory serves me correctly, she was playing 3rd arrow if not close to 4th arrow in the title match and waxed Barnes 265 - 195.   A 7-10 split cost her a chance at perfection on the biggest stage.  So it is definitely possible for the woman to hang with the men and with the short format, anything can happen.

This is the exact reason I mentioned the ladies I mentioned. We know Kelly can wheel. Aumi, Daria, Zavy, GG, and Verity all can as well, with Daria, GG, and Verity all having rev rates that can match the guys. Hell, Verity has Tammy Turner written all over her.

Liz can wheel as well, but she'll do it when the shot calls for it. At the last 2 Sacramento Opens, the lanes were torched so badly she was playing 5th arrow for the last 3 games of the squad, then bowled the pro-am, which was right after that shift.

So I  have no doubt they could hang with the guys. In fact, seeing the intimidation factor that Mika, Wes, Rhino, and a few others have, I'd almost argue the opposite; can the guys hang with them.

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So no doubt they can play inside, and they all

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Re: PBA League adding 2 Women's teams
« Reply #14 on: July 01, 2020, 01:04:14 PM »
A lot depends on the format.  Its not that the gals can't move in.  They cant get as deep as the guys when the pattern blows up