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Walking E

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PBA Oklahoma Open / Bear Pattern
« on: June 25, 2014, 12:43:46 AM »
OK, first off - no, I am not on tour. Shut up.

1. Why can't everyone figure out by now that the right lane's approach has a sticky spot when shooting crosslane at 10 pins? How many times in these telecasts have we seen somebody stick on the right lane when shooting at a 10-pin? Don't they practice sliding in that area before the show? It baffled me each and every time I saw somebody stick at the line and whiff the 10-pin, then look down at the approach as if to say "Well, I wasn't expecting that." Seriously?

2. The blue oil is still stupid and useless, no matter how many times Randy tries to pump it up as a great innovation.

3. Those Bear pattern lanes were TOUGH! Question: When it gets to the point where if you miss a hair left it runs away Brooklyn, but you miss a hair right and you leave 2-8-10 or super washout - then why are these guys still aiming for the 1-3 pocket? Wouldn't it be better to, say, launch urethanes (or something similarly non-aggressive) straight at the 1-2 pocket and go for Brooklyn strikes? As somebody with a "grinder" background, I can assure you that this tactic works pretty good on a reverse block condition (which is what those lanes turned into after a game or two). Is it just a pride thing? Do they really think that they will suddenly find some stable hold if they keep moving left?

Anyway, those are just my thoughts after watching the telecast.
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Re: PBA Oklahoma Open / Bear Pattern
« Reply #31 on: June 28, 2014, 07:54:28 PM »
Quote from: northface28 on June 27, 2014, 09:24:24 PM
I guess in your haste to Monday Morning Quarterback you didn't see the part where I mentioned you use angle to create hold on a flat pattern? Can you grasp this concept? Should I explain further?

All of the rest of this aside, I would like an explanation.  I heard Randy mention this on the telecast and it confused me.  I know the power players get way inside to find remaining head oil, but since the balls constantly suck up the oil I don't know how this create hold.
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avabob

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Re: PBA Oklahoma Open / Bear Pattern
« Reply #32 on: June 28, 2014, 08:55:12 PM »
Despite what Randy said you are not rally creating hold by playing so deep on the Bear.  You are trying to find some decent head oil to get the ball to project  and retain some rotational energy when you do come off the end of the oil. 

What really kills good players on very flat patterns are the transitions.  Look at the guys who came out of the gate striking, but couldn't stay lined in as they got a bit of carrydown and burn in the heads.  Personally I think a 40 foot flat patterns is the toughest.  Shorter, and you can get lined up on the back end.  Longer, and you can play the fronts.   
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Re: PBA Oklahoma Open / Bear Pattern
« Reply #33 on: July 01, 2014, 12:46:38 PM »
Quote from: avabob on June 28, 2014, 08:55:12 PM
Despite what Randy said you are not rally creating hold by playing so deep on the Bear.  You are trying to find some decent head oil to get the ball to project  and retain some rotational energy when you do come off the end of the oil. 

What really kills good players on very flat patterns are the transitions.  Look at the guys who came out of the gate striking, but couldn't stay lined in as they got a bit of carrydown and burn in the heads.  Personally I think a 40 foot flat patterns is the toughest.  Shorter, and you can get lined up on the back end.  Longer, and you can play the fronts.   

So, was the oil in the heads gone from the 2 board to the 20 board, or was there some other reason for playing far left?
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Re: PBA Oklahoma Open / Bear Pattern
« Reply #34 on: July 01, 2014, 12:53:27 PM »
Quote from: northface28 on June 28, 2014, 07:06:50 PM
Quote from: ccrider on June 28, 2014, 04:48:52 PM
More dribble.  Write clear and you will not have two hope the reader reads between the lines into your imagination.

I have made no statement about what the bowlers considered. You did. The question posed is whether a different choice would have yielded a better result.

Continue in your belief that the pros are infallible.

More "dribble"? Did you mean drivel? "You will not have two hope" did you mean not have TO hope? In addition to expert analysis on what professionals should do, you also know the difference between TWO and TO when preparing a written response. Nice.

Northface, you are smarter than me. You know more about bowing than me.

Now, I hope that helps you to make it through the day and to cope with the stressors that life is undoubtedly throwing at you.

It would be nice if you would use a small portion of your immense knowledge and genius, to respond to the questions posed.

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itsallaboutme

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Re: PBA Oklahoma Open / Bear Pattern
« Reply #35 on: July 01, 2014, 01:01:40 PM »
You argue that the lanes are not being played properly then you ask why they are playing the lanes the way they are.  Maybe you should ask why before you show your ignorance and somebody might answer your question. 
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Re: PBA Oklahoma Open / Bear Pattern
« Reply #36 on: July 01, 2014, 01:34:02 PM »
Quote from: itsallaboutme on July 01, 2014, 01:01:40 PM
You argue that the lanes are not being played properly then you ask why they are playing the lanes the way they are.  Maybe you should ask why before you show your ignorance and somebody might answer your question. 

Where did I make that argument? 
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itsallaboutme

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Re: PBA Oklahoma Open / Bear Pattern
« Reply #37 on: July 01, 2014, 01:40:22 PM »
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ccrider

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Re: PBA Oklahoma Open / Bear Pattern
« Reply #38 on: July 01, 2014, 02:23:11 PM »
Quote from: itsallaboutme on July 01, 2014, 01:40:22 PM
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Nope. I disagreed with the overbroad statement that throwing urethane up 1 or 2 is not grinding it out. Could be, depends on who is doing it and why.

I suggested the possibility of playing the lanes differently and whether that could have led to better results.

I don't know the answer, so I would not attempt to say one way or the other. I did say that I watched the show and based on what I saw, the pros were not "puring every shot." I stick by that. Some of the guys looked totally uncomfortable attempting to loft the gutter cap. The week prior, the guy that played Oniel did what was necessary to win and get to the finals, but I would not say that he was anywhere close to "puring every shot."

Again, I would not attemtp to say that he played the lanes correctly or incorrectly. I don't hesitate to question whether the players could have made different decisions about how they played, that may have led to more positive outcomes.

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itsallaboutme

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Re: PBA Oklahoma Open / Bear Pattern
« Reply #39 on: July 01, 2014, 02:31:33 PM »
Chucking urethane AT the 1-2, not up 1 or 2.  Read the original post.

Now you're in full retreat and it's obvious that you don't know half of what you think you know.
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Re: PBA Oklahoma Open / Bear Pattern
« Reply #40 on: July 01, 2014, 03:08:38 PM »
Itsa,

You are delusional if you think I am retreating. I took at 1 to 2 as interned to communicate playing up 1 or 2. Granted, throwing at the 2 board May not be the same as throwing up the two board.

I set forth what I previously stated, nothing different. Read into it what you please. I am through debating with simple minded people with reading and comprehension deficits that think they know it all.
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Re: PBA Oklahoma Open / Bear Pattern
« Reply #41 on: July 01, 2014, 03:12:30 PM »
The original post is about throwing straight at the 1-2 pocket. It has nothing to do with the 1 or 2 board. How can you try to debate something when you don't even know what the post said?


Quote from: ccrider on July 01, 2014, 03:08:38 PM
Itsa,

You are delusional if you think I am retreating. I took at 1 to 2 as interned to communicate playing up 1 or 2. Granted, throwing at the 2 board May not be the same as throwing up the two board.

I set forth what I previously stated, nothing different. Read into it what you please. I am through debating with simple minded people with reading and comprehension deficits that think they know it all.

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Re: PBA Oklahoma Open / Bear Pattern
« Reply #42 on: July 01, 2014, 03:59:02 PM »
I'm simple minded with a reading and comprehension deficit and you can't read and understand the original post.

Please stop and concede the fact that you actually know very little about bowling and absolutely nothing about bowling at the professional level.
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Re: PBA Oklahoma Open / Bear Pattern
« Reply #43 on: July 01, 2014, 08:26:38 PM »
Quote from: itsallaboutme on July 01, 2014, 03:59:02 PM
I'm simple minded with a reading and comprehension deficit and you can't read and understand the original post.

Please stop and concede the fact that you actually know very little about bowling and absolutely nothing about bowling at the professional level.

That's putting it nicely.
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Re: PBA Oklahoma Open / Bear Pattern
« Reply #44 on: July 02, 2014, 11:08:54 AM »
I fire urethane at the 1-2 on a house shot. I suck and I know it.
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Re: PBA Oklahoma Open / Bear Pattern
« Reply #45 on: July 02, 2014, 01:28:29 PM »
I understand playing deep to find head oil, but I'd still like an explanation as to how it creates hold on a flat pattern.
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