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General Category => PBA => Topic started by: mainzer on February 08, 2015, 12:29:37 PM
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What is with the Halo pose? Trying to recharge his sheilds or what?
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what a whiner..embarrassing to say the least.
while there is no denying the mans talent, come on..really, now we have towel-gate
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It's all about money... I really get the impression that the PBA does some of this stuff just to get people talking about bowling. The drama always seems to involve Belmo and someone else...
In "wrestling" you have the heel and the face... how was the show today any different?
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What did I miss?
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The PBA better not try to make anything out of this "towelgate", that would be even more embarrassing...
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What did I miss?
Belmonte committed the "sin" of putting his tiny shammy towel on the ball rack (Even Pederson, Weber's good buddy, said it was a tiny towel). Pete kept telling the officials to tell Belmonte not to do that. PBA custom is for them not to put rosin bags or towels on ball racks, but it is not a rule. Belmonte was not putting his towel on Pete's bowling balls.
Pete was sticking on the right lane on strikes and slipping on spares; they should have cleaned the approach as others (like DeVaney) had a similar problem. PbA officials seemed to make no effort to clean the approach while I could see; maybe they cleaned it during the commercial break. The sticky approach caused Weber to leave a 2-10.
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What did I miss?
Belmonte committed the "sin" of putting his tiny shammy towel on the ball rack (Even Pederson, Weber's good buddy, said it was a tiny towel). Pete kept telling the officials to tell Belmonte not to do that. PBA custom is for them not to put rosin bags or towels on ball racks, but it is not a rule. Belmonte was not putting his towel on Pete's bowling balls.
Are you sure Belmo didn't put his towel directly on top of one of PDWs Optimus'? They showed a shot of a towel (or shammy) on top of an Optimus and PDW said afterwards that he does not use a towel so it could not have been his. Unless Belmo had an Optimus on the rack.
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Weber's behavior today was an embarrassment. Belmo was not breaking any rules. Randy stated that the players are asked to keep their rosin and towels off the ball rack, but there is no specific rule against it. Weber told the tournament director he didn't want Belmo's towel touching his ball, and didn't want whatever may be on Belmo's towel on his ball.
Out of habit, Belmo put his towel on the rack. Weber would pick the towel up and toss it on the floor like a spoiled child. Weber, in the 10th frame of the match, stood there and pointed to Belmo's towel and Belmo reacted like a scolded child to remove it. That was ridiculous for Weber to make Belmo feel like he was doing something wrong.
First Weber was bothered by the approaches (which the announcers said were cleaned during commercial), then bothered by the towel. Weber was definitely playing mind games with himself today and it did not make him come off very well at all for viewers at home.
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Ima PDW fan but he should of not let that towel get to him. He just needed to show up like the u.s open wen he was distracted but still pull the clutch move on mike fagan. Although belmo is a lil rude for not listening to the great pdw he still bowled great. I had a feeling if either or made it aj Johnson gonna hand them the title.
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Ima PDW fan but he should of not let that towel get to him. He just needed to show up like the u.s open wen he was distracted but still pull the clutch move on mike fagan. Although belmo is a lil rude for not listening to the great pdw he still bowled great. I had a feeling if either or made it aj Johnson gonna hand them the title.
Belmo doesn't have to listen to PDW. Belmo only has to answer to the tournament director. If anything, Weber owes Belmo an apology for insinuating the towel had anything at all to do with his poor performance.
PDW needs to curb his sense of entitlement and realize he should expect the same treatment as bowlers bowling their first tournament or their 1,000th tournament.
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PDW seems to get distracted too easily and complains about the most petty stuff in some of these tournaments. I didn't see anything that Belmo was doing wrong as long as he wasn't placing the towel on top of Pete's ball. But PDW should have handled himself better than that. Like Randy Peterson said, it's just a consistent rountine that some of those bowlers do when placing their towel at a certain spot, drinking their water bottle or just even a pre-routine action right before they throw the ball.
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i feel it was more of what belmo said in the locker area about bowling webber and beating him. Belmo talked the talk and backed it up
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What did I miss?
Belmonte committed the "sin" of putting his tiny shammy towel on the ball rack (Even Pederson, Weber's good buddy, said it was a tiny towel). Pete kept telling the officials to tell Belmonte not to do that. PBA custom is for them not to put rosin bags or towels on ball racks, but it is not a rule. Belmonte was not putting his towel on Pete's bowling balls.
Are you sure Belmo didn't put his towel directly on top of one of PDWs Optimus'? They showed a shot of a towel (or shammy) on top of an Optimus and PDW said afterwards that he does not use a towel so it could not have been his. Unless Belmo had an Optimus on the rack.
I didn't see that picture; must have blinked. Pederson said Bemonte was putting it on the rack. I accepted that statement.
As someone else said, I think Weber was looking to "get under Belmonte's skin" for throwing those 2 Brooklyns.
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Ima PDW fan but he should of not let that towel get to him. He just needed to show up like the u.s open wen he was distracted but still pull the clutch move on mike fagan. Although belmo is a lil rude for not listening to the great pdw he still bowled great. I had a feeling if either or made it aj Johnson gonna hand them the title.
Belmo doesn't have to listen to PDW. Belmo only has to answer to the tournament director. If anything, Weber owes Belmo an apology for insinuating the towel had anything at all to do with his poor performance.
PDW needs to curb his sense of entitlement and realize he should expect the same treatment as bowlers bowling their first tournament or their 1,000th tournament.
I know belmo doesn't have to listen but he should of listened to pdw request after all its Pete!! The legend that smack belmonte on TOC show him some respect as a fellow storm memeber and senpaii
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Rumor has it Belmo's ball was under inflated
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little girl :o
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Whatever the case may be, and I'm not a huge fan of two handed yet, butBelmo just got his third if I'm not mistaken. IMO, that's a bad man! Congrats to him. PDW will be PDW, still a GOAT level...
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Player of the year three peat???
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I thought yesterday's show was great. There was a lot of drama throughout most of the matches, and it was fun to see some non-regulars on the show in A.J. Johnson and Devaney.
In regard to the PDW-Belmo controversy (if you can can it that), I think it'll just add fuel to the fire for people who don't like either one of them. The PDW haters will claim that he was being childish/unprofessional for getting so bent out of shape about the towel and the approaches, and the Belmo haters will say that this is more proof that Belmo tries to mess with people (first bottle-gate, now towel-gate).
In the end, I don't think that any of it really matters. Belmo made great shots when he needed them in order to take Pete down, so he deserved the win. Was he doing the towel thing on purpose to get under PDW's skin (something that isn't all that hard to do)? I'm sure he'd deny it, but I don't think anyone can say for sure. Was PDW a bit childish for letting it bother him so much? Sure he was; he even basically said as much during the post-match interview. Then again, I happen to think Pete is the type of guy who bowls even better when he's ticked off, so sometimes he manufactures things to get upset about in order to light himself up. Personally, I can't believe he missed the pocket on the first hit in the 10th. Between his approach concerns and the way the right lane was reacting, I didn't think he'd strike out to force the tie, but I figured a 10-pin or a 4-pin would get him.
In any event, like I said, I thought it was a great show, and Belmo deserved to win it.
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Quite honestly, I thought that 39-foot pattern played right into Jason Belmonte's wheel house. Now if you want to talk conspiracy, I think that's where it lies. I've heard a couple of stories in recent months from guys who have competed out there on the national tour, and have made the show, whereby they suspect the PBA was, and has been, putting out shots to create stars out of certain bowlers. And Jason Belmonte may be one of the biggest benefactors. Kinda like WWE.
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That stuff has been going on since long before Jason Belmonte started bowling. The PBA giveth and the PBA taketh away.
But the fact is he is just better than everyone else right now and can do things no one else can. He'd be even more dominant if the tournament formats were longer like they were in the past.
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I have to agree with Itsalladoutme. The Pba has been hand picking winners for decades .I've heard this from many former Pba'ers and figure is like any other sport
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Conspiracy theory in PBA bowling, LOLOLOLOLOL. Any current or former PBA player that may have ever said that is just being a baby. Apparently the flat 40' US Open pattern was created just for PDW since he's won that 5 times...
Even if you could create a lane condition to give one player an advantage, that player would still need to execute.
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First off I wish they would go back to holding the Masters at the Nationals site and would use the nationals pattern.
Belmo was luck to survive Pete. He carried two crossovers, missed a ten pin, and threw another ball thru the nose that got a 6 count but could have easily been a greek church or worse.
But Pete did what he normally does if he is on TV long enough. He gets perturb at something, carry, another player, a TV crewman, and starts making suspect shots.
I understand what Randy was saying about habits. But if you are asked not to do something a couple of times and continue to do it it is intentional.
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Let's call a spade a spade: That rag couldn't be more square on PDW's Optimus. Belmo just played another masterful mind game. It is what it is.
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ImBackInTheGame,
If you don't think their are people smart enough to condition lanes to favor a certain style you are being naive. Especially back when the balls didn't blow up the pattern in a game and there was manual labor involved in the process.
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Well probably added fuel to the fire so to speak was the fact that Belmo had 4 strikes in a row of which 2 of them were brooklyns. I actually think Pete bowled better but didn't get the win, it happens and all of us do get upset over the same kind of stuff.
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Pdw is the biggest douche ever and I was so glad belmo handled his butt...it was ok for pdw to do the gun show thing and super man punch the floor and scream at the other players and just act like a jackass in generally but belmo puts his towel on his ball and he loses his mind? Wha wha wha cry me a river pete
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It's obvious that you don't like Weber, Suhoney24, and that is your right; however, I don't know if your comparison is apples to apples. Trash talk - which I'm not really a fan of by the way - is one thing, but touching someone else's equipment is another. Now, I'm not trying to say that putting that towel there actually did anything to Weber, his equipment, or his ball reaction that helped Belmo win. Belmo won because he threw great shots when he had to have them. Personally, I think that PDW was over-thinking that one; however, as others have said, if it's clearly stated that you aren't supposed to keep your towel there, then Belmo should've been made to remove it. Again, not saying that it truly had any bearing on the outcome of the match. I'm simply saying that if you tell players to do something (or not do it), make them follow those guidelines.
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As a bowler, the only reason I would not want someone else's towel on my bowling ball would be if the bowler was using some type of slippery or tacky powder and there was a possibility of any of it getting onto my ball or inside the gripping holes. Probably why the PBA requested that all towels be kept off of the ball return rack.
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I understand what Randy was saying about habits. But if you are asked not to do something a couple of times and continue to do it it is intentional.
Jason said he's been doing that in every match that he as ever bowled. It's ingrained in his pre-shot routine. If he has to consciously think about putting his towel somewhere else, he could very well lose the match over it. I think he'd rather annoy Pete than risk losing the match because his pre-shot routine is disrupted. HOWEVER, I do think he should avoid laying his towel directly on an opponent's ball. That is just unacceptable. I I were Pete I would (and like Randy said) grab the towel and toss it 6 lanes over.
I did find it interesting, and never noticed, that Pete does not wipe off his ball.
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Conspiracy theory in PBA bowling, LOLOLOLOLOL. Any current or former PBA player that may have ever said that is just being a baby. Apparently the flat 40' US Open pattern was created just for PDW since he's won that 5 times...
Even if you could create a lane condition to give one player an advantage, that player would still need to execute.
We are talking about the best bowlers with the knowledge, experience and skill to execute, no?
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What is the halo pose mentioned by the OP?
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Conspiracy theory in PBA bowling, LOLOLOLOLOL. Any current or former PBA player that may have ever said that is just being a baby. Apparently the flat 40' US Open pattern was created just for PDW since he's won that 5 times...
Even if you could create a lane condition to give one player an advantage, that player would still need to execute.
We are talking about the best bowlers with the knowledge, experience and skill to execute, no?
They do still affect which styles (or hand) have an easier time being successful with changes to the oil. I recall a telecast around the 07-08 time period where Randy said they had changed the amount of oil in the heads which was why so many more power players were making the show that season compared to previous seasons.
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In regards to the conspiracy theory story, I remember reading somewhere (BJI?) about the early history of the PBA when they first hired fulltime lanemen, that there were weeks when the finals were being dominated by LHs who were a small minority of the field. They tried to adjust the patterns and effectively shut out the LHs except for Earl Anthony who kept finding some way to compete. So, yes, the lanemen can help some bowling types or hurt others.
Have to go bowl now.
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What is the halo pose mentioned by the OP?
In the video game Halo the character can lock and recharge his armor, when he does this he gets into the pose PDW was in punching the approach at the end of game 1
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Okay, the lanes can be manipulated to help certain styles I get that, but individual bowlers no. If it were the case that the Masters was set up for Belmo's style, we would not have had such a variety of styles on the show for the Masters. We had Larsen playing the outside with urethane, PDW doing what PDW does slow looping the lane with his massive amounts of axis rotation, with DeVaney and AJ having somewhat similar styles, and then Belmo lofting the cap.
If Belmo's style was to be amplified we would have seen the likes of EJ tackett, Valenta, Robert Smith, etc on the show with all of them lofting the cap. I stick to my point of still needing to execute shots and adjust.
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What is the halo pose mentioned by the OP?
In the video game Halo the character can lock and recharge his armor, when he does this he gets into the pose PDW was in punching the approach at the end of game 1
Ok, thanks, never played Halo so was unaware.
I saw him do that but did not get the reference. Thought Thor hitting his hammer on the ground.
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Okay, the lanes can be manipulated to help certain styles I get that, but individual bowlers no. If it were the case that the Masters was set up for Belmo's style, we would not have had such a variety of styles on the show for the Masters. We had Larsen playing the outside with urethane, PDW doing what PDW does slow looping the lane with his massive amounts of axis rotation, with DeVaney and AJ having somewhat similar styles, and then Belmo lofting the cap.
If Belmo's style was to be amplified we would have seen the likes of EJ tackett, Valenta, Robert Smith, etc on the show with all of them lofting the cap. I stick to my point of still needing to execute shots and adjust.
I feel ya I don't believe this theory non semse . the pro player gonna have to excite that good shot to get them strikes. Their gonna have to adjust in order to keep striking. Even if the PBA were helping players doesn't mean john doe can't shoot off the sheets and win.
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Belmonte's a punk and always has been. Be gracious and admit you got lucky with two crossover strikes. Be a man and apologize for breaking the rules or code all the other players abide by when it comes to towels. So far he seems incapable of doing either so far in his career.
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That's the point: Lay your towel on your spare ball - not your opponent's primary ball.
I understand what Randy was saying about habits. But if you are asked not to do something a couple of times and continue to do it it is intentional.
Jason said he's been doing that in every match that he as ever bowled. It's ingrained in his pre-shot routine. If he has to consciously think about putting his towel somewhere else, he could very well lose the match over it. I think he'd rather annoy Pete than risk losing the match because his pre-shot routine is disrupted. HOWEVER, I do think he should avoid laying his towel directly on an opponent's ball. That is just unacceptable. I I were Pete I would (and like Randy said) grab the towel and toss it 6 lanes over.
I did find it interesting, and never noticed, that Pete does not wipe off his ball.
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One time it was directly on Pete's ball (that one may have been intentional if it were after Pete complained the first time?), every other time he flipped it between the balls, just like I remember nearly all other bowlers on almost every telecast doing. I'm not sure if there is an actual rule, but if the tournament director did ask him to stop and he didn't, he could have been subject to whatever penalty the TD (not Pete or anyone else) wanted.
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Qualifiers : 1) I am a Pete Weber fan, always have been
2) I don't like or dislike Belmonte, but enjoy watching him bowl.
As for the match, my observation was that Pete's first ball in the last frame was simply a very poor shot. He had moved right and finally flushed the right lane in the 8th and then his brain did not allow him to trust the shot in the 10th. I was rooting for Pete, but Belmonte deserved to win.
As bowlers many of us don't enjoy the "antics" on the lanes but for the sake of the PBA tour, I am pretty sure that ESPN will do whatever it can to promote Pete while he still bowls because the general public has very little face recognition when it comes to bowling.
Can't some multi-mega millionaire who loves bowling get the U.S. Open back on the schedule ? How can you have a "tour" without a U.S. Open ?
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If you took notice....ESPN debuted a new "This is......Sportscenter" commercial during the telecast, featuring Pete Weber. So I think it shows that even ESPN thinks he has some crossover appeal.
My take on the first ball in the tenth is the same as ozs', he had moved right in the 8th and threw a great shot. He tugged the ball in the tenth...it was nowhere near as far right as the one in the eighth. But it was where he had played the lanes for most of the day so far. PDW is human, and he made a mistake. The only difference is, with Belmo's RPM's, his mistakes go brooklyn and turn into strikes, while Weber's go through the nose.
And Oz, a couple of multi-millionaires already own the tour, they are ex-Microsoft guys. Problem is, most anyone who becomes a multi-millionaires does so with business intellect. And that means not throwing money away, and without sponsors, that is what you have to do to run the PBA right now. They have curbed that outflow with things like the WSOB, and other costs savings ideas...but unless someone comes along to sponsor the tour....it is always going to be like it is today, living on the edge.
Qualifiers : 1) I am a Pete Weber fan, always have been
2) I don't like or dislike Belmonte, but enjoy watching him bowl.
As for the match, my observation was that Pete's first ball in the last frame was simply a very poor shot. He had moved right and finally flushed the right lane in the 8th and then his brain did not allow him to trust the shot in the 10th. I was rooting for Pete, but Belmonte deserved to win.
As bowlers many of us don't enjoy the "antics" on the lanes but for the sake of the PBA tour, I am pretty sure that ESPN will do whatever it can to promote Pete while he still bowls because the general public has very little face recognition when it comes to bowling.
Can't some multi-mega millionaire who loves bowling get the U.S. Open back on the schedule ? How can you have a "tour" without a U.S. Open ?
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a commercial with Belmo would be better to draw in the younger folks.
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Can't some multi-mega millionaire who loves bowling get the U.S. Open back on the schedule ? How can you have a "tour" without a U.S. Open ?
You didn't hear that its back on the schedule?
The 2015 U.S. Open will take place in November following the Professional Bowlers Association World Series of Bowling. The timing will allow competitors, including those who travel from foreign countries, another opportunity to take part in a major event.