Post by: revTrex on July 31, 2008, 02:35:40 AM
Which non-exempt pros would you want to put money on to do well? Which exempt pros do you think have a shot? And, for a final (fun) question... which pros do you think have little to no chance?
I'll start:
Non-exempt:
1) Jim Pratt
2) Mike Houtz
3) One of the senior guys -- like a Tom Baker, David Ozio, etc.
Exempt (in order):
1) Norm Duke
2) Mike Machuga
3) PDW (though the Cheetah aspect of the event might hurt his chances)
4) WRW (though I personally think his game has benefitted from reactive stuff tremendously)
5) Danny Wiseman
6) SURPRISE: Mike Fagan (for some reason, I can see it happening)
Exempt (who will not do well, also in order):
1) Sean Rash (He's got the hand to carry a ton, but this is a guy whose area on the lanes is largely the result of modern equipment)
2) Ritchie Allen
3) SURPRISE/SHOCK: Chris Barnes or Tommy Jones (just because you know there is going to be a shocking finish for somebody)
Thoughts? Let's make a few predictions...
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Post by: justdale on July 31, 2008, 10:44:01 AM
With as much hand as some of the guys have, I'd say Mallot, Jones, Weber. But guaranteed, it'll be slow speeds that do better
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Post by: revTrex on July 31, 2008, 10:48:21 AM
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Plllleeeeaaassse tell me its not on the Cheeter....I mean the Cheetah.
Sorry to say, it is. Honestly, I (like you) would have liked to see it on a different shot - maybe even Shark or the U.S. Open pattern, to really it make it a test. That, or find an old wood house and put down something similar to pre-urethane conditions. I'm not saying they should be laying down lacquer, but it'd be more interesting that way.
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Post by: n00dlejester on July 31, 2008, 10:55:40 AM
Parker Bohn III
WRW Jr.
PDW
Duke
The older guys, lol. Oh, and Jeff CARTER!!
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Post by: revTrex on July 31, 2008, 10:59:55 AM
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where did u guys find out about this event? I havent seen any info on it or heard anything
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I spoke with Kirk about it in Vegas recently, and he described it as a rumor...that was extremely likely to occur. Since then, it has been confirmed on PBA forums and in person (Bob's trade show in the Chicago-area) by Tour exempt bowlers. The exempt guys got the format list recently, and the new schedule will be featuring some mixed condition tournaments, a house shot tourney, the plastic ball event, and possibly a few other atypical formats.
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Post by: 1MechEng on July 31, 2008, 11:09:23 AM
If it comes down to a splitting a gnat's hairs type of contest, then the super accurate guys should dominate. I like Norm Duke in this case.
I wonder if 15# vs. 16# will have an impact in this type of contest?
Finally, for my long shot pick, I'll take Eugene McCune. He throws a fast, straight ball that should match up well to the straighter plastic game that everyone else might have to adapt to.
Of course, if I could really predict such things with any accuracy, I'd be rich already.
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Post by: Pinbuster on July 31, 2008, 12:18:28 PM
If you used a long pattern the carry down would make the pin deck brutally slick.
Walter Ray, Duke are two obvious picks. Parker, Scroggins, Barnes.
I don't know enough about some of the newer exempt to pick. Someone might have a nitch game that would match up.
A dark horse might be Kretzer, Angelo.
Post by: SVstar34 on July 31, 2008, 12:28:52 PM
I'm gonna put my money on those guys to do really well.
Walter Ray and Parker for there precision.
Fagan for his rev rate and Barnes for his control and consistency
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Post by: NJStroker on July 31, 2008, 12:49:22 PM
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Post by: camel_300 on July 31, 2008, 12:54:09 PM
Norm Duke
Brian voss
Mike Machuga
Walter Ray
Chris Barnes
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Post by: Jesse James on July 31, 2008, 01:29:00 PM
1.Norm Duke
2.WRW
3.Tom Baker
4.Mika
5.Mike Wolf
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Post by: revTrex on July 31, 2008, 02:11:58 PM
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If you'd ever seen Rudy Revs throw a Yellow Dot then you know the answer is Rudy.
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Wouldn't it be amusing to see Rudy win his first PBA title... at the plastic stop? He couldn't beat 'em with reactive equipment, so he has to go use a plastic ball. Would be great to see him make a show, especially if he faced off against somebody completely his opposite, i.e., a Norm Duke. Two former money bowlers going at it...sweet!
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Post by: SVstar34 on July 31, 2008, 02:14:30 PM
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Plllleeeeaaassse tell me its not on the Cheeter....I mean the Cheetah.
Now that they have changed all the patterns, the Cheetah isn't that easy. The new Cheetah doesn't have as much room to the right as there was before. If you play it how you did previous, getting your ball out to the 5 board, you might be seeing no pocket at all unless you have revs
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Watch out for P.D.W.!!!
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Post by: SVstar34 on July 31, 2008, 02:17:02 PM
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Post by: Russell on July 31, 2008, 06:52:29 PM
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I am sure the volume will be adjusted.Therefore everyones ball will hook.It will be like putting these guys in the late 70's.Spares could come into play and the ability to make the ball hit.There will probably be some release changes and some bad habits may be produced by this.Look for a few guys to slump after this event.
I agree with this statement. I bowled as a joke in practice with a plastic ball on a short pattern a while back after a pattern league. I found that when I picked the resin back up I had started "helping" the ball hook at the bottom of my swing a little more.
I think this tournament will be a disaster. The game isn't bowled with resin balls anymore...and an entire generation has learned it without them.
I said in another thread and I'll say it again...noone would watch a PGA event where they had to use persimmon drivers and balata balls on a 7500 yard course....noone wants to watch this either.
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Post by: charlest on July 31, 2008, 07:35:48 PM
OR
like the old days, will some manufacturer sneak a real core into a bunch of their plastic shells, for their staff players, and call them "Touring Edition II"?
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Post by: SVstar34 on July 31, 2008, 07:41:53 PM
Or a new MoRich plastic ball with the EzRev core.
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Post by: stpwned on July 31, 2008, 10:30:07 PM
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Post by: charlest on July 31, 2008, 10:33:15 PM
- On the Cheetah pattern PLUS plastic balls, I figure the best combination of ball speed, accuracy and revs will knock over the most pins.
- Accuracy without revs is problematic DEPENDING just on how much oil they use.
- Some rumors of the "new" Cheetah can make accuracy worthless, if the ball is without drive when it hits the pocket.
- I'd have to bet on the likes of Tommy Jones and Jason Couch.
- I wonder if anyone still remember the old leverage layouts for pancake cores?
- I wonder if sanding will be allowed?
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Post by: AdrianS on August 01, 2008, 08:03:41 AM
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Post by: djones on August 01, 2008, 04:47:13 PM
What were conditions like in the 70's (when plastic was the ball of choice)? Much higher friction surface (wood) with lower viscosity oil and lower volumes of oil. In the 80's, we saw the virtually the same conditions along with shorter oil to go along with it. Alot of league bowlers continued to use plastic in the 80's due the the free hook for better than half of the lane.
On the other hand, I would assume most pros have used plastic for practice just to work on accuracy and/or release issues. So they do have experience. But where has this experience come? I would guess on burnt out conditions where there is still free hook, even with plastic.
I have enough experience on the old Cheetah to figure that hardly anyone could bank the ditch with plastic, including Smith/Jones/Couch. Now if it is true that the new Cheetah is less forgiving, it's going to be harder to get much hook. If that's the case, I think the key, outside of the accuracy issue, is the ball roll. Based on that, I think there are 2 exempt players that have the ideal roll for success with plastic - Chris Barnes and WRW. Both have that high track and can stay behind the ball to get it into a good early roll. Oh yea, and both are pretty accurate. Between the 2, I would give the advantage to Barnes due to his rev rate.
One other think to remember, the lanes are not going to open up, in fact they are going to get tighter with the carrydown created by plastic.
Post by: Walking E on August 03, 2008, 07:56:10 PM
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According to some exempt pros posting on the pba forum, the bowlers will be given two plastic balls at the beginning of the tournament. All will be manufactured by Ebonite with the PBA logo on it and no manufacturer logo. The tournament will be bowled on Cheetah
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As for every bowler getting the same equipment, wouldn't that cause a nightmare at the ball return trying to figure out which ball(s) is yours each time?
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Post by: Rileybowler on August 03, 2008, 08:11:53 PM
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Post by: lsf_21 on August 03, 2008, 08:21:45 PM
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Walter Ray , Malotte and Jason Belmonte
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Post by: bowlingnut07 on August 04, 2008, 10:37:48 AM
and barnes too. ive seen him throw plastic on 45 foot of oil and string em
too bad bob benoit isnt back, he was the best plastic ball thrower ever
he could hook the ball on ICE.
Post by: SVstar34 on August 04, 2008, 10:42:39 AM
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Walter Ray , Malotte and Jason Belmonte
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Walter Ray , Malotte and Jason Belmonte
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Post by: Dan Belcher on August 04, 2008, 11:07:48 AM
Post by: Kinalyx on August 04, 2008, 11:15:51 AM
After all of his BS of "ban sanded bowling balls" & "lets go back to all plastic", i want him to get his @s$ handed to him on a plastic ball tournament.
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Post by: JessN16 on August 04, 2008, 11:23:36 PM
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not sure if he's still exempt but the guy who was on tv a couple years ago that made it to the finals throwing a plastic ball with no thumb
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Post by: NJStroker on August 05, 2008, 12:24:50 AM
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Im so glad people are brainwashed to think that TRACK sucks. And its even funnier when im carrying with my TRACK ball and they're going flat ten with their BRUNSWICK ball.
Post by: bass on August 09, 2008, 07:20:41 AM
That is different from being an EXEMPT member.
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Post by: laddog54 on August 09, 2008, 07:35:45 AM
Not my favorite bowler but the only one left who has acutally won a PBA title with plastic.
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Post by: Crankenstein300 on August 09, 2008, 01:02:35 PM
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PDW
Not my favorite bowler but the only one left who has acutally won a PBA title with plastic.
WRW Jr and I'm pretty sure Tom Baker have won with plastic.
Post by: laddog54 on August 09, 2008, 03:32:09 PM
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Post by: BrianCRX90 on August 10, 2008, 10:54:01 PM
Other guys I somewhat like to win this:
David Traber
Steve Jaros
Chris Warren
Walter Ray Williams
Ritchie Allen
Post by: lsf_21 on August 10, 2008, 11:00:54 PM
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Post by: ChrispyBrownies on August 11, 2008, 06:20:58 AM
good accuracy, and has the hand to to get the ball back to the pocket. Plus hes a hometown favorite, lol.
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Post by: michelle on August 14, 2008, 07:45:28 AM
The real question will be to see how many new offerings come out with substantial weight blocks...
Post by: Mr Straight Ball on August 20, 2008, 12:06:15 PM
Please don't think the RPM guys cannot be play straight because the "new PBA" forces them to play straight on a regular basis with those busted animal patterns they offend us by calling that bowling.
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Post by: Mr Straight Ball on August 21, 2008, 09:14:07 AM
Not to mention, some of the guys mentioned as plastic winners leave some of the flatest corner pins imaginable with a nuclear bomb in their hand I doubt a ball making less angle will improve their carry.
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