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R.I.P. PBA - You Have Become A Complete Joke
« on: December 03, 2008, 04:48:12 AM »
Ok, I have had about enough of the PBA this season.  It is clearly going completely the wrong way in everyway.  Before flaming me and saying FIGJAM and whatever or 'stop watching then' or 'stfu moron' or 'you suck', read on because I know everyone with any type of brain or history of bowling has the same feelings.

Where to begin?  So many complaints and BS!!!

1. Ok Denny dropped them and they got Lumber Liquidators to sponsor them.  (this is the least of their problems LOL)

2. They grant Jason Belmonte a 2 tournament exemption from the Commissioner.  Just ask the other bowlers on tour and in TQR's how they feel to understand this issue.  International reasons my azz!

3. Ultimate Scoring championship.  Total disaster.  Nothing was ultimate on the telecast and only set back bowling overall in the public eye.  Nice going PBA planners!  

4. Not only that, they release the results on PBA.com and then expect people to watch the following Sunday a taped show where every interested bowling fan already knows what happens?

5. Exempt Tour

6. Stupid 5 Christmas Tree Oil Patterns that are all derivatives of the Christmas Tree Pattern

7. Stupid fines for balking!

and now (drum-roll) as it only gets worse!!>......

8. Robert Mushtare, the self-proclaimed king of 900 series!  He gets a free ride to this week's tournament and embarrasses himself and the PBA with a dazzling 179 average and only 1 200 game!  For someone that bowls 900's in his sleep, he can only manage 1 on the Tour's EASIEST PATTERN.  Yeah I SAID EASY because it is nothing more than a harder THS.  And Easy in that it isn't hard to bowl 200.  Yet Mr. 900 can only bowl 1 200 game out of 7 tries.

157     2
183     3
169     4
182     5
148     6
194     7
220  
Total
1253

Nice going PBA!  Good to hype him up.  It is like hyping up Lebron from HS only to see he can't even dunk on an NBA rim.  

PBA you are running out of lives.  Let's only hope you can somehow show a legit Plastic Ball Tournament later this season like you all say you are.

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Re: R.I.P. PBA - You Have Become A Complete Joke
« Reply #16 on: December 03, 2008, 01:32:50 PM »
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On the PBA patterns I find that I have to slow the ball down a lot.  Not sure how fast you bowl, but for me I usually drop to around 14-15 mph.  Basically I try to release it as slow as possible.  It gets awkward since I am a cranker, but it usually works.  When all else fails I stand in the middle and throw directly to the pocket hehe.
I'm usually in the 17mph range according to the Qubica system, so probably about 18-19 off the hand.  I actually could keep it in that range on the other shots.  For reference, I averaged right around 190 on all the named patterns, plus the 50 foot ToC pattern and the PBA World Championships pattern.  I only averaged about 170 on the Cheetah.  The year before, the Cheetah was by far my best pattern, and I averaged around 200 on it.  So things definately weren't the same this time around!


I wish I could bowl on either the ToC or US Open pattern every week.  Those separate those that know how to bowl from those that don't.  It will eliminate many of the phonies in my league at least.  Last week in my Wed THS league, they put a little more oil on the lane and all the guys were crying about how their ball didn't reach the pocket.  The 3 pin was getting hurt all night long hehe
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You honestly should check yourself at the door! Your complaining about lots of things that it seems you know little to nothing about.  Rudy Revs, Tim Mack, some of the best or well-known TQR guys struggled on this pattern.  I'm not defending Mushtare or anyone else that averaged 175 on it.  Its not the same pattern anymore and is definitely one of the hardest for the guys on tour.  Look at the scores from not only the TQR, but the regular qualifying and you will notice them being lower.  It seems like you should think before you speak about all the phonies in your league complaining, when you average 215 on THS every year and then smoke up the lanes with 170 averages in Tourneys. Probably should keep your thoughts to yourself from no on.



Well the thing that separates me from many other bowlers is that I am straight up with everything.  I don't make ficticious scores.  Who else proudly displays their 170 averages on here hehe?  I am the real deal and try in tournaments and that is why so many on this site like me
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Re: R.I.P. PBA - You Have Become A Complete Joke
« Reply #17 on: December 03, 2008, 01:35:46 PM »
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I'm with you on everything besides 1,2,7 and 8. I think you miss the point on Mushtare. What a perfect way to point out to the non serious bowler (assuming they give a damn) that the league pattern they bowl on (assuming they have a clue) isn't in the same ballpark as the PBA patterns by having the guy with two perfect series embarrass himself. They can draw a clear line in the sand by saying the PBA is sport while the rest is recreation.
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Hopefully they can use his scores to the PBA's advantage since the whole Ultimate Scoring thing was a failure.  They can mention in the broadcast or something how a guy with 2 900 series in a THS only averaged 179 on the PBA shot.  It will put some distance between the PBA and the average bowler.  I have many theories on how the 900's occurred and they don't involve simply typing in the scores but that is for another discussion on a day where I actually care LOL.
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Re: R.I.P. PBA - You Have Become A Complete Joke
« Reply #18 on: December 03, 2008, 01:43:18 PM »
Nice to see that Bobby Mush can keep up with the big dogs like Rudy "I can't make a cut" Revs.  A whole 9 pins separating both of these greats.

Raise your hand if you're surprised that Bobby Mush failed to make the cut...
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Re: R.I.P. PBA - You Have Become A Complete Joke
« Reply #19 on: December 03, 2008, 01:45:55 PM »
The worst thing the PBA did was naming these patterns. They tweek them all the time, make easy ones hard and hard ones easy.

Last weekend was a shock to me when I saw the scores from the Scorpion tournament. The 2 times we used that pattern in regionals over the summer the cut was -40something. I thought since the new changes that Scorpion was by far the hardest.

The 2 Shark tournaments we had, the cuts were well over +100, that "used" to be an automatic negative number for a cash spot.

When we used Cheetah at 1 regional the cut was -60something. A month later we used Cheetah again and the cut was like +220. I was like WTF?? Come to find out they used the "OLD" Cheetah.

My point is why name and market these patterns and further confuse the already confused PBA fan base. They have these patterns so screwed up now, I don't know how or who could possibly explain them anymore.

I think from now on they should just give the length of the pattern and not a gimmicky name that people assume you have to bowl a certain way on.

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Re: R.I.P. PBA - You Have Become A Complete Joke
« Reply #20 on: December 03, 2008, 01:57:56 PM »
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you're probably bowling on an older version of cheetah


With a house machine that can't strip the lanes properly and leaving the underlying predominant track area to shine through a pattern that can't be applied accurately. "Cheetah" at your local house is an approximation. Even the big boys aren't always shooting phone numbers and the real deal because it acts differently from surface to surface even with the correct lane equipment and maintenance.

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I know everyone with any type of brain or history of bowling has the same feelings.


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« Reply #21 on: December 03, 2008, 02:05:26 PM »
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The worst thing the PBA did was naming these patterns. They tweek them all the time, make easy ones hard and hard ones easy.

Last weekend was a shock to me when I saw the scores from the Scorpion tournament. The 2 times we used that pattern in regionals over the summer the cut was -40something. I thought since the new changes that Scorpion was by far the hardest.

The 2 Shark tournaments we had, the cuts were well over +100, that "used" to be an automatic negative number for a cash spot.

When we used Cheetah at 1 regional the cut was -60something. A month later we used Cheetah again and the cut was like +220. I was like WTF?? Come to find out they used the "OLD" Cheetah.

My point is why name and market these patterns and further confuse the already confused PBA fan base. They have these patterns so screwed up now, I don't know how or who could possibly explain them anymore.

I think from now on they should just give the length of the pattern and not a gimmicky name that people assume you have to bowl a certain way on.



Another problem is the way the oil reacts to different surfaces and houses.  Its never gonna be the same even if the pattern was identical. So, when the scorpion was lit up by the pros and in the TQR at Vernon Hills, it just gave them a "look" that was phenominal and the carry at that house is fantastic.  Lots of little things play into oil patterns not just the PBA tweaking them.


You are 100% correct!

Also I talked with a couple of exempts about last week and they thought the PBA "Belmo-dified" the Scorpion to "open" them up a little. I would not be at all surprised if this were true!

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Re: R.I.P. PBA - You Have Become A Complete Joke
« Reply #22 on: December 03, 2008, 02:45:35 PM »
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On the PBA patterns I find that I have to slow the ball down a lot.  Not sure how fast you bowl, but for me I usually drop to around 14-15 mph.  Basically I try to release it as slow as possible.  It gets awkward since I am a cranker, but it usually works.  When all else fails I stand in the middle and throw directly to the pocket hehe.
I'm usually in the 17mph range according to the Qubica system, so probably about 18-19 off the hand.  I actually could keep it in that range on the other shots.  For reference, I averaged right around 190 on all the named patterns, plus the 50 foot ToC pattern and the PBA World Championships pattern.  I only averaged about 170 on the Cheetah.  The year before, the Cheetah was by far my best pattern, and I averaged around 200 on it.  So things definately weren't the same this time around!


I wish I could bowl on either the ToC or US Open pattern every week.  Those separate those that know how to bowl from those that don't.  It will eliminate many of the phonies in my league at least.  Last week in my Wed THS league, they put a little more oil on the lane and all the guys were crying about how their ball didn't reach the pocket.  The 3 pin was getting hurt all night long hehe
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hey necro the us open pattern is one of the tougher patterns ive bowled on. on that 2nd day of bowling last year i was all the way left lofting the gutter with the amf code ended up missing the cut by 35 pins... but your right it really does make you realize if you can handle it out there or not.
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Yeah I know it is tough.  But I believe to really gauge the best of the best you need to put everyone on a level playing field.  I like it because it is flat from gutter to gutter so that gives no real advantage to those that play outside or inside.  Precision is #1 on that shot which is what bowling should be about all along.  Those 5 patterns some high person thought of for the PBA are worthless IMO.  WRW has proved that over his career on those redundant patterns.  Like I said before, I would like to see 4 patterns:

-Flat US Open Pattern
-Christmas Tree
-Reverse Block
-THS

With those 4 you get everything everyone fan wants.  The current 5 animal patterns are all basically 1 pattern if you break it down to basics.
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Re: R.I.P. PBA - You Have Become A Complete Joke
« Reply #23 on: December 03, 2008, 02:57:25 PM »
Mike Rose Jr is a TREMENDOUS bowler and averaged 210. So how easy were they?????

Get real.

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Re: R.I.P. PBA - You Have Become A Complete Joke
« Reply #24 on: December 03, 2008, 03:00:32 PM »
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The current 5 animal patterns are all basically 1 pattern if you break it down to basics.
Does lenth of the pattern mean nothing to you?  I don't know about you, but I get a completely, totally different ball reaction on 44 feet of oil than I do on 36 feet, even if the shape of the shot is similar...

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Re: R.I.P. PBA - You Have Become A Complete Joke
« Reply #25 on: December 03, 2008, 03:09:56 PM »
It's funny.  I knew who started this topic before I even clicked on the link.  I clicked just to verify my assumption.  I was right.

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« Reply #26 on: December 03, 2008, 03:10:17 PM »
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My point is why name and market these patterns and further confuse the already confused PBA fan base.  


so the PBA culd make money off Elite making balls for those pattens

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Re: R.I.P. PBA - You Have Become A Complete Joke
« Reply #27 on: December 03, 2008, 03:13:48 PM »
Now I'll admit that I don't know a ton about bowling and only come of this board for work so I can't address any of your points after the first one. But since both Dennny's and Lumber are my clients and selling sponsorships in sports is what I do I feel safe in saying you don't know WTF you're talking about. What makes you think that Lumber isn't a better Title Sponsor then Denny's? Because you've never heard of them? If you ever watched other sports you would know that Lumber is a huge player in sports advertising and sponsorships, much more then Denny's.

You might have bowled in Baltimore but your game isn't where you want it? You talk trash about how PBA bowlers bowled every week. But they are out there every week, not just when they're happy with their game. I'll be in Baltimore (Since it's the Lumber Liquidators Classic), I would LOVE to see you bowl to see how you do. Hell, I might even consider paying your entry fee just for the entertainment.

At the end of the day stick to talking about bowling because you don't know crap about sponsorship sales.

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Re: R.I.P. PBA - You Have Become A Complete Joke
« Reply #28 on: December 03, 2008, 03:19:20 PM »
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The worst thing the PBA did was naming these patterns. They tweek them all the time, make easy ones hard and hard ones easy.

Last weekend was a shock to me when I saw the scores from the Scorpion tournament. The 2 times we used that pattern in regionals over the summer the cut was -40something. I thought since the new changes that Scorpion was by far the hardest.

The 2 Shark tournaments we had, the cuts were well over +100, that "used" to be an automatic negative number for a cash spot.

When we used Cheetah at 1 regional the cut was -60something. A month later we used Cheetah again and the cut was like +220. I was like WTF?? Come to find out they used the "OLD" Cheetah.

My point is why name and market these patterns and further confuse the already confused PBA fan base. They have these patterns so screwed up now, I don't know how or who could possibly explain them anymore.

I think from now on they should just give the length of the pattern and not a gimmicky name that people assume you have to bowl a certain way on.


Doesn't matter what name is used for any pattern, you're always confused. DONK!

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Re: R.I.P. PBA - You Have Become A Complete Joke
« Reply #29 on: December 03, 2008, 03:34:45 PM »
ok as much as necro may be wrong sometime.. he has hit issues 2,3,4,and 8.. all of those were problems the biggest was belmonte..

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Re: R.I.P. PBA - You Have Become A Complete Joke
« Reply #30 on: December 03, 2008, 03:38:17 PM »
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Yeah I know it is tough. But I believe to really gauge the best of the best you need to put everyone on a level playing field. I like it because it is flat from gutter to gutter so that gives no real advantage to those that play outside or inside. Precision is #1 on that shot which is what bowling should be about all along. Those 5 patterns some high person thought of for the PBA are worthless IMO. WRW has proved that over his career on those redundant patterns. Like I said before, I would like to see 4 patterns:

-Flat US Open Pattern
-Christmas Tree
-Reverse Block
-THS

With those 4 you get everything everyone fan wants. The current 5 animal patterns are all basically 1 pattern if you break it down to basics.



What, no Top Hat?

The PBA has not been the same since ABC dropped its coverage about a decade ago or so.  

It was on TV on Saturdays at 3:00 PM, right before the wildly popular Wide World of Sports, and, thus, had a tremendous, loyal fan base.

The commentators, Chris Schenkel and Bo Burton made a great combo, it was always a 5-man stepladder, and, yes, if someone was on a streak of strikes there would be NO commercial break until the streak finished (and if someone happened to toss a perfecto, they got a $100,000.00 bonus, not the paltry $10,000.00 amount awarded nowadays).  

As for the patterns back then, they changed constantly—sometimes the shot was playing the gutter, sometimes you had to be around the 15th board, and sometimes you had to play the middle of the lane, on tough professional-type conditions (there weren't any named patterns, but the PBA has always tweaked its patterns—this in not a recent phenomenon, as some young bowlers happen to think).

Bowling has not been the same since its unceremonious drop from the national "free" TV exposure on a major network channel, which, consequently has turned the PBA head-honchos into fits of frenzy in order to figure out what to do to keep the professionals' "league" going, which ain't no easy task, as we're seeing.

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