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General Category => PBA => Topic started by: charlest on March 31, 2013, 09:40:18 PM
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I do not know why this happened, but ever since the bottle incidents, I had this bad feeling about Belmonte. I didn't like him; I thought what he did was bad. I thought he did it intentionally no matter what he said to the contrary.
Lately, I'm not sure why but the more I see him, the less I feel positive about Rash.
It reached a culmination today when I watched the TOC. I don't know why but today Rash seemed the ultimate sack of sh*t and Belmonte seemed more like a human being with feelings who was trying to .. do the right thing?
Probably just an emotion, with no real truth to the matter.
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i can see why u might feel that way or things seem like rash is being a jerk
but i kinda thought he looked like he is just DONE with belmo, sick of seeing him
sick of all the accolades he gets because rash feels hes a cheater. and i agree wity ya charlest i think belmo did it on purpose and personally on the show i felt BELMO
was being a jerk with that jackass lookin smirk on his face with every strike he threw. just my 2 cents
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"Professional" wrestling has thrived on the scripted heel versus face drama... who's to say that the PBA hasn't quietly pushed the same type of roles on well recognized bowlers to keep the public talking about the PBA?
Bad publicity is still publicity after all...
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i can see why u might feel that way or things seem like rash is being a jerk
but i kinda thought he looked like he is just DONE with belmo, sick of seeing him
sick of all the accolades he gets because rash feels hes a cheater. and i agree wity ya charlest i think belmo did it on purpose and personally on the show i felt rash was being a jerk with that jackass lookin smirk on his face with every strike he threw. just my 2 cents
Did you mean to say that Belmonte looked like a jackass with the smirk on his face? I completely agree with this if you were referring to Belmonte.
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yes i edited it , i meant to say BELMO lol
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i mean it almost seemed like belmo thought he had the whole tourney rapped up
like he found a shot sooo good that no one had a chance, i realize thats reading into it
or speculating but thats what it really looked like to me
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+1 for Belmo from me. He was relaxed, confident, and ready to let his game do the talking, as did PDW later.
I'm sure there are different points of view, but for me, more positive about Belmo now and less on Rash...
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For awhile, I disliked Belmonte due to all the possibly shady things he was doing to win. However, lately I had been watching some of the IABowling videos on youtube and he seemed like a good guy. But today seeing him with the smirk on his face really turned me back to not liking the guy. Just looked way to cocky. I know he has said that he smiles because he is trying to enjoy bowling on tv and not worrying as much. But it didn't look like a "i'm having a great time" smile. It looked like a "i'm the f'ing man and the guy i'm bowling has no shot" type of smile.
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totally agree bowlallthetime with the smile comment.
thats exactly what i thought as well. and i loved seeing pdw kick his 2 handed ass!
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One person's confidence is another person's cockyness.
You're playing the TOC, you have front 5, and the other guy can't seem to find the hole and strike, wouldn't you be a bit confident, maybe even with a smirk bubbling over?
But all that said, doesn't matter. Weber came out and dominated.
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Belmo did say a few weeks ago that he bowls much better when he's relaxed and having fun. Maybe his "smirk" was just a way to reinforce positive thoughts or keep him relaxed?
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Belmo did say a few weeks ago that he bowls much better when he's relaxed and having fun. Maybe his "smirk" was just a way to reinforce positive thoughts or keep him relaxed?
I agree with Strider, and Belmo stated in his post game interview, that he was just trying to have fun and to releive the stress by thinking of hiw wife and daughter. This way he was able to keep the negative demons out of his mind while he was bowling. While there is no love lost between Belmo and Rash, I think they both showed a great deal of professionalism, expecially the polite handshake at the end of the match. On a side note, I was very proud of Weber this match. His only ire was directed at the pins and he showed great spotsmanship when Belmo picked up the 4-10 split. He was humble and grateful in his post game interview. He did it all right this time.
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Did anyone notice that Jason had a bottle while bowling Sean?
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Did anyone notice that Jason had a bottle while bowling Sean?
Yes, he did. And so did Pete. They were the stronger plastice bottles that don't krinkle every time you pick them up.
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I am not a huge Belmo fan even though I am a fellow 2 hander. That being said; I think the negative comments about him are a little ridiculous. The guy made a mistake a couple years ago. Big whoop!!! He hasnt repeated it since. He does all this great work off the lanes with Diandra and helping kids with promoting the sport of bowling. He has really tried to personify a positive attitude on the telecasts and yet just because some of us cant get over our personal feelings about what happened with bottlegate, we cant let it go. Who are we to judge about some stupid smirk when half of us have done 10 times worse in a measly $20/week league? At some point we need to get over it. How many of us would have had the attitude he had after losing in the title match of a major? So far he is the only person I have seen that has really acted like that after losing. Personally I think we should give the guy some credit. He smirked in the match against P-Dub. But we only seem to mention the smirking in the match against Rash. Makes no sense.
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Belmo did say a few weeks ago that he bowls much better when he's relaxed and having fun. Maybe his "smirk" was just a way to reinforce positive thoughts or keep him relaxed?
I agree with Strider, and Belmo stated in his post game interview, that he was just trying to have fun and to relieve the stress by thinking of hiw wife and daughter. This way he was able to keep the negative demons out of his mind while he was bowling. While there is no love lost between Belmo and Rash, I think they both showed a great deal of professionalism, especially the polite handshake at the end of the match. On a side note, I was very proud of Weber this match. His only ire was directed at the pins and he showed great sportsmanship when Belmo picked up the 4-10 split. He was humble and grateful in his post game interview. He did it all right this time.
Good points made. I agree with you.
I almost wish Belmonte had a better ball reaction from that Wrecker, to have enabled him to make a better match of the game. I think Weber would have still won. His ball reaction was as perfect as I've ever seen.
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Maybe he was smirking because he knew that he was in Rash's dome. Maybe he knows that Rash is a head case, and he's got the upper hand because Belmo doesn't exhibit any outward aggression towards Rash. I used to find the guys that it was easy to get in their head, and mess with them. It makes it fun, and actually relaxes you. Jerk move, but whatever.
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I am not a huge Belmo fan even though I am a fellow 2 hander. That being said; I think the negative comments about him are a little ridiculous. The guy made a mistake a couple years ago. Big whoop!!! He hasnt repeated it since. He does all this great work off the lanes with Diandra and helping kids with promoting the sport of bowling. He has really tried to personify a positive attitude on the telecasts and yet just because some of us cant get over our personal feelings about what happened with bottlegate, we cant let it go. Who are we to judge about some stupid smirk when half of us have done 10 times worse in a measly $20/week league? At some point we need to get over it. How many of us would have had the attitude he had after losing in the title match of a major? So far he is the only person I have seen that has really acted like that after losing. Personally I think we should give the guy some credit. He smirked in the match against P-Dub. But we only seem to mention the smirking in the match against Rash. Makes no sense.
Yeah, I gotta agree with this post most... & to some point, Doom's.
I think "the smirk" started after Belmonte struck a few & Rash was struggling, Rash decided to "clean the approach" with his foot... I think Belmonte felt that Rash was making an excuse, as I did as well, & maybe was also trying to get into Belmonte's head because that was the same area Belmo was sliding... Just my opion watching it live. Then again, I was looking for anything that looked like "drama" between the 2, LoL!!
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The smirk started with the first ball of the match against rash and yes he also did it vs weber. I already stated that he said he tries to have fun on tv now, which he thinks will help him bowl better. But I just felt it didn't come off as someone having fun. It just made him look like a cocky jerk IMO.
And its more than just the 1 bottle incident vs Angelo. You have the bottle incident vs Rash as well, plus the problem recently w/ Machuga. And there was the other incident vs rash where Rash was on the approach needing a X to make TV and Belmonte stood up and let his chair crash back into the table. Rash stepped off the approach, and when he stepped back up, belmonte was hopping up and down for no apparant reason, other than to possibly distract Rash. This video was on youtube, posted by one of the PBA guys, but it was recently taken down.
So to say it was 1 incident is completely false. Once or twice could be a coincidence. But 4 incidents?
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Hey bowlalltime, are you Sean Rash...? :D :P
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Hey bowlalltime, are you Sean Rash...? :D :P
haha, no. Not a fan of either. I just see it like it is.
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Hey bowlalltime, are you Sean Rash...? :D :P
haha, no. Not a fan of either. I just see it like it is.
I'm not either, though I lean to Storm... And I see it like it is too... guess we don't see the same things... LoL!!
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A smirk? No, doesn't anyone remember the Masters? It wasn't that long ago. Belmo said "I'm going to smile at the world and hope it smiles back" He was just doing everything he did when he won the Masters.
Jeez, the guy is happy and smiling and people look all kinds of ways into it.
I attended an IAB Bootcamp and got a chance to sit down and talk to him, he's a very down to earth guy.
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I can't believe this. You guys are whining because of the way Belmo looked after throwing shots. You guys are a bunch of Wuuusssies.
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I don't know about you guys, but I'd be smiling pretty big if I made it on T.V. Iunno, I'm a glass half full kinda guy, though.
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I saw it as a smirk too, but he started to smirk more when Rash kept cutting in front of him after his 2nd shots; Belmo stayed back and let Rash do that. Reminded me of the outrage when A-Fraud cut across the mound and Dallas Braden called him out on it. I took the smile on Belmo's face after that to mean he knew he was living rent free in Rash's head. That smile was much less evident in the title match, partly due to PDW getting ahead quick, partly due to the stakes being higher I'm sure.
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If someone called me a bitch on national TV, I'd smile in his face every time I destroyed him on the lanes too. Passive aggressiveness won again.
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If someone called me a bitch on national TV, I'd smile in his face every time I destroyed him on the lanes too. Passive aggressiveness won again.
LoL!! Well said, DP3.
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he kept smiling cuz he was having fun waxing the floor with rash i mean this rivalry is one sided rash hates and wants to beats belmo so bad he tries to hard and ends up bowling like shit and thats what has happened everytime since there little incident it is clearly affecting rash and not belmo
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You guys go ahead and jump behind Belmo and believe every word he says in the interview....I mean if Belmo was being a complete douche do you think he would admit to it in an interview.
Interesting that Sara Rash had a very different take on Belmo's words on Facebook today....remember there are 2 sides.
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I'm with Russell... to a point. Rash is honest, but still, from what I know of him, kind of a overinflated douche. Such is the attitude of some pros. Belmonte may be playing us all for suckers with his accent and smile. Who knows. It makes for good tv. Like I care.
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I'm with Russell... to a point. Rash is honest, but still, from what I know of him, kind of a overinflated douche. Such is the attitude of some pros. Belmonte may be playing us all for suckers with his accent and smile. Who knows. It makes for good tv. Like I care.
Yes you do, care... othawise you no post here. And you played both sides here... "Rash is honest...", "Rash is overinflated douche..." Nice. And I'm PDW...
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Belmo can't do much re the accent comment , seriously the guy is from Australia.. His accent will come across different..
Now I am more curious what Sara Rash said about Belmo??? U gotta love good drama!! Anyone know about this..
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This is what Sara Rash posted on her facebook:
After watching yesterday's telecast back, I find it humorous and quite annoying that Jason believes he has gone to the "extreme" to mend his relationship with Sean. Friendships are not based on one's terms and agreements. Try accepting his apology that he has given to you personally, one on one, and stop throwing him under the bus every chance you get.
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This is what Sara Rash posted on her facebook:
After watching yesterday's telecast back, I find it humorous and quite annoying that Jason believes he has gone to the "extreme" to mend his relationship with Sean. Friendships are not based on one's terms and agreements. Try accepting his apology that he has given to you personally, one on one, and stop throwing him under the bus every chance you get.
If she is talking about Rash having personally apologized to Belmonte, then it seems more appropriate for Rash to apologize publicly than privately, because he called Belmonte a "b*tch" in a very public forum.
If you "sin" in public, then you "confess" in public.
That said, I wouldn't expect a wife to publicly do anything but back up her husband. This still doesn't put a positive spin on Rash ongoing behavior. Like PDW, some day he'll grow up.
Being the publicly adored stars, as both Belmonte and Rash think they are, I guess I wouldn't expect either one of them to act any different than we have seen they do on TV. Right now, from all outward appearances, Belmonte is "putting on a better show" than Rash is. This may be why I feel slightly more positive towards Belmonte than Rash, but I can't say I really like either one of them very much as of this moment in time, as a fan.
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I now have to say that at this point, this rivalry eclipses any previous rivalry discussed in this sport.
PDW and Williams have always kept things between themselves and the lanes, and even as hotheaded as PDW gets, at least they've kept it professional. Funny as it sounds, they are now the elder statesmen on tour.
Mika-Shafer may have had words about brooklyns, but that was it. Aulby-Ozio was never like this. Roth-Anthony-Hollman was never like this. Weber-Anthony surely wasn't like this, Hell, in the 90s, Handegard-Stus had a nice one going, but the bulk of these were very professional and friendly competition.
To now have Rash's wife try to get into this, not only turns up the heat in this, but is getting kinda .. well... trashy. I mean, we've never seen Tracy or Paige Pennington take shots in their rivalries or jump into it. Hopefully this doesn't turn into PBA crossed with Jerry Springer crossed with WWE, as entertaining as it may be.
However PDW's page at Wikipedia had this to say, shortly after the PBA was sold in the 2000s:
The new tour ownership saw Weber's flashiness as a potential tool for marketing the PBA to a new audience. Pete Remarked:
"The new PBA has told me to be animated, and I was already animated to begin with. The new PBA likes me, likes my antics. They think that's what's going to sell the PBA."
No doubt that the PBA are using this rivalry as the new PDW marketing tool; case in point, we're talking about it. ;)
Regarding Belmo's accent, having lived in Australia for 2 years, I came back to the US with that accent. There's nothing really to hide behind with it. What is he going to do, pull a Nicole Kidman and put on a fake Yank accent while in the country? Like Scott Norton, it isn't fair to Belmo to have to put on an act and pretend to be something he isn't just to appease us. It would be like asking the same thing of Amleto, Ruiz, Guerrero, or Vargas.
But also think about it this way..If Belmo is being honest and sincere and a lot of this is coming from Rash, then the rivalry between Rash and Stu Williams lends validity to the attitude problem (?) that Rash has.
In my dealings with both, It all comes down to sense of humour: Aussies are a bit more lackadaisical and slapstick, where the poms are stiff and more dry. that is also reflected in how each one comes across (perception wise). But get them around a pint of beer, and it's all the same.
BL.
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Oh, I was just saying that his accent will make people believe him more. When you have a pleasant accent, people want to believe you. He's a charmer. Could he be a huge jerk? Could be. But if you had to pick between Jason Belmonte and Sean Rash to date your daughter, which one would you choose?
The charming one.
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Oh, I was just saying that his accent will make people believe him more. When you have a pleasant accent, people want to believe you. He's a charmer. Could he be a huge jerk? Could be. But if you had to pick between Jason Belmonte and Sean Rash to date your daughter, which one would you choose?
The charming one.
Good point, and well played. But also on that note, I have absolutely no doubt that Rash could play the Face as well. He's done it before; I remember him inviting that older Black lady to be down in the front row behind him at the tournament when he won his first title, let alone the child that had that medical condition causing him to have soft, easily breakable bones. Seeing what Rash did for both of them shows how much of a nice guy he really can be.
But I wonder if we are all having a show put on for us. I remember seeing an interview with Jack Jurek, when he stated that the guys on tour are like a big family; they all do look out for eachother, even though they are bowling for their homes, family, and food on their plates. I'm pretty sure that if they were driving to the next town and Rash saw Belmo looking under the hood of his car because it broke down, Rash would stop to help.
I mean, really.. yes, the plastic bottle thing was a problem (Angelo even had a problem with it), but how much of this is actually being egged on by the PBA, just for the increase in viewers?
BL.
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How long ago was the "plastic bottlegate" again?
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I think it was the manufacturers tournament prior to the 2011-2012 season from memory..
Storm,Brunswick, Global v each other.. It was great, excellent except for the "take that u bottle b*tch" comment...
Well if Sara Rash has continued it, Belmo certainly hasn't been too smart, by getting onto the whole Rash/Belmo controversary by saying that he has tried everything to have a good relationship.. Very unnecessary, and should have been kept to himself, then again the guys 29yr, still learning lots about life and how to speak to people (inc pre title interviews with PBA), and what not to let out..
Love Belmo's bowling, but something kinda sticks in my throat with his disposition on the lanes.. Fake, sincere, gameplay or just plain cheezy?!?!
I know at times I may come across as a hot head, even somewhat feral, but away from the lanes, I am far more relaxed and myself..Very even tempered..then again I am not bowling as my living!
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Not sure if its been mentioned. But go ready Machugas blog about bowling Belmo in the masters.
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Not sure if its been mentioned. But go ready Machugas blog about bowling Belmo in the masters.
Sounds like Machuga's making excuses for losing or "letting Belmo win" as he calls it... LoL!! He struck after Belmo quit talking where he could hear him... then makes excuses because a little girl, Lord forbid, coughed... This is what's partially wrong with people nowadays... They want everything their danged way & if they don't get it, they whine like little girls... Man up.
And here's the link to that blog... http://www.machugabowling.com/blog/ (http://www.machugabowling.com/blog/)
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MP, I think you should read Chug's blog again. If anyone was making excuses it was the "Wonder from Down Under" who seems totally unable to avoid controversy no matter who he bowls against.
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The comical part of this is, consider if it were you in the publics eye and a website has posters commenting on you, personally instead upon performance...also, think of this, merely having the ability to perform a certain athletic activity does not automatically make you personable. How many people despise Tiger Woods because of his indiscresions with his personal life or how he acts either on the course or off, yet do not realize he is prolly the greatest athlete of our time? No one is going to like everyone....and quite honestly, quoting Peter Griffith, 'who the hell cares'...they are bowlers, not someone to look up to as individuals...they are not roll models simply because they can strike or have a higher rev rate...or what accent they have...if they are a jerk off. The lanes, chances are they're an ass on the lanes
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In my dealings with both, It all comes down to sense of humour: Aussies are a bit more lackadaisical and slapstick, where the poms are stiff and more dry. that is also reflected in how each one comes across (perception wise). But get them around a pint of beer, and it's all the same.
BL.
It is not! No self respecting Australian would drink warm beer like an Englishman!!!!!
As for Belmos accent, it is less broad than that of most Australians. If anything, at the moment, it almost has a slight American inflection to it.
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Belmo is a class act. Period. Back in his first season on the PBA... was it 1998? the year that the PBA gave him Commissioner's Exemptions... I spoke to him in person about the fairness of him earning an exemption (remember the exempt tour?) because of the favoritism he received... Jason advised me that had already let the PBA/fellow players know that he would not accept an exemption based on points. He told me he would only accept an exemption if he earned it with a win. Which is exactly what he did.
Regarding Bottlegate -- those new plastic bottles (are they made with plants or something?) -- as soon as you open the lid, and the pressure is released, they crinkle like they're made of tinfoil. And does anyone really believe that Jason Belmonte needs to play head games to beat anyone on the tour?
Rash is a great bowler. A class act he is not. And as for Sara Rash... she is the perfect mate for Sean. Keep it classy Sara.
This whole controversy is because of jealousy. Some fans don't like Belmo because he unfairly uses 2 hands. Get over it. Even worse, some fans don't like him because he isn't American. Get over it.