Author Topic: Rash (Read 10448 times)

mainzer · « **on:** February 12, 2012, 05:17:43 AM »

Can't wait to see Rash go Ape shit today

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DP3 · « **Reply #46 on:** February 24, 2012, 09:07:33 PM »

huge difference between

a) choking

b) missing a spare

c) missing a spare for 50k and your livelyhood

most guys will squeeze it for 50 bucks. under tv lights and a hundred people theres only 50 or so guys in the world who have room to talk

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just another never was

Sunshine n Lollipops · « **Reply #47 on:** February 24, 2012, 09:29:21 PM »

Again, I have no idea where you're coming from on this. Who cares about 95% of the tournament we don't see? By your own admission, the pressure isn't there because the lights, camera, and the title aren't on the line. 5 board moves to make a 10 pin? How many did the move to make a seven? What does it matter how many boards they move? A straight ball is a straight ball. Keep your mechanics the same, keep the muscle out of the swing, don't speed up the shot, break the wrist back or take the ring finger out of the ball or throw plastic and even a current player like Rash, Palermo, Belmonte can make a ten pin when it counts. Fundamentals are fundamentals no matter what era, especially when trying not to hook the ball.

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mainzer · « **Reply #48 on:** February 24, 2012, 11:57:20 PM »

Well Sunshine the other 95% of the tournement they are making spares the same way they are trying to make them on t.v.that is where I am coming from. They are making them, more than you or I could but you think you know more than they do? Gimmie a break dude.

You are basing all of what you see on three games bowled on t.v. every Sunday? Diddn't Osku win a Major this season? He Rips it at spares. Have you considered that the mechanics in their swings allow them to throw that hard with out muscling it? I know mine does if I free my swing up and break my wrist I can throw it quite a bit harder without forcing it. Times have changed.

I know this will not sway you are to old and set in your ways to understand. Part of the reason the sport is down the crapper is because guys like you like to tell younger guys how stupid their method of the game is and how "back in my day I used a yellow dot or blah blah."

I respect the Sport and respect guys that have bowled before me but I also understand that the sport is NOT what it was 20 years ago it has changed like everything does. I mean no offence in my words just stating my opinion and feelings as I see them.

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Mbosco · « **Reply #49 on:** February 25, 2012, 02:25:21 AM »

I don't think technique is why the quality of spare shooting is going down on the telecasts. I think it's the short formats. But either way, it's definitely going down, and if you don't believe it let me pose some questions. Remember when PA missed that nine pin? Or how about when Belmo missed the 10? Or Rash missed the 10? Or Wodka whiffed the rail completely? Or Osku converted the rail from the left side? Twice in one match? That's a lot of poor spare shots in a short amount of time to talk about. Even 5-6 years ago it wasn't NEARLY like this, so I don't think it's the generation, equipment, or style. I think it's the format of the WSOB, where you have a crap shoot to see who's going to do really really well for just a couple games, and then you make the cut for tv, that's doing it.

My favorite to rag on, though, is the Major you mentioned that Osku never should have won. Gets up in the tenth of the first match and throws such a poor shot at the ten pin that the breeze practically did as much work on the pin as the ball did. Not the money shot you want under pressure, that's for sure.

Sunshine n Lollipops · « **Reply #50 on:** February 25, 2012, 07:39:42 AM »

"I know mine does if I free up my swing". There you have it. Says everything I had guessed about your game and now you confirmed it. You don't want to listen to anybody and you don't want to believe what you see with your own eyes.

"I'm what's wrong with bowling"? I can rev it up when I need to, I can tone it down when I need to. I can hook it twenty boards and I can throw it dead straight. I can even back the ball up. I can change my axis tilt at will. I do some coaching at the high school level. What do you do? Here's what you do.....you roll into your local house with your eight ball totes. Instead of trying to figure out what the pattern on the lanes are, you just stand on twenty and start firing balls at a break point at the five board until you find a ball that will make the turn and get to the pocket. You'll spend so much time worrying if you have the right ball in your hand you won't even notice when the lanes break down. You'll just shell up or shell down and curse the fact that can't carry the corner pins. When you miss the ten pin due to your "fail safe" method of changing your delivery, you'll blame the lane man for putting down a shot that "nobody" can score on. "Man, if I hadn't a left that one ball out of my "arsenal" at home, I'd have won today."

Yeah, you're the future of bowling and everything that is going to "save" the sport, all right. I take the money out of the pocket of guys like you in league, tourney's, and pot games.

Your ego won't even let you admit that the phenomenon of shooting straight at single pins only began about twenty years ago. What was the reason for doing that? Oh, that's right, it was to take lane conditions out of the equation when converting those spares. A ball that is rolling with 0 axis tilt and 0 axis of rotation will go straight no matter how "many boards it is crossing", thereby negating your modern conditions argument. Physics are physics and it's the younger bowlers ignorance of them that is turning the modern game into a joke.

So summing it up, you're wrong. History shows you're wrong, physics shows you're wrong, and current results shows you're wrong.

mainzer wrote on 2/25/2012 0:57 AM:
Well Sunshine the other 95% of the tournement they are making spares the same way they are trying to make them on t.v.that is where I am coming from. They are making them, more than you or I could but you think you know more than they do? Gimmie a break dude.

You are basing all of what you see on three games bowled on t.v. every Sunday? Diddn't Osku win a Major this season? He Rips it at spares. Have you considered that the mechanics in their swings allow them to throw that hard with out muscling it? I know mine does if I free my swing up and break my wrist I can throw it quite a bit harder without forcing it. Times have changed.

I know this will not sway you are to old and set in your ways to understand. Part of the reason the sport is down the crapper is because guys like you like to tell younger guys how stupid their method of the game is and how "back in my day I used a yellow dot or blah blah."

I respect the Sport and respect guys that have bowled before me but I also understand that the sport is NOT what it was 20 years ago it has changed like everything does. I mean no offence in my words just stating my opinion and feelings as I see them.

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completebowler · « **Reply #51 on:** February 27, 2012, 03:48:25 AM »

I think the reason for poor spare shooting is the increased strike percentage we see in todays game. Most bowlers see much higher pocket carry % these days and so the skill of spare shooting has declined. When they miss, it is quite often a 6-7 count from the monster angles and drive the equipment produces.

When some of us older guys came up it wasn't uncommon to bowl a game where you left 5-6 ten pins in a row. I drilled a Taboo spare recently and even it carries better than the Gold Angle I began with.

I think what we see from Rash/Belmo and other young PBA stars is just that. Also, I think it contributes to their lack of titles. Old school bowlers know how to manipulate roll better. They still think they can just step left and hit it harder to change their carry woes.....lol. Or change balls.

Also I think one of the dumbest comments on here is about how much Rash has to move to shoot a 10 pin. His strike line is usually 3-4-5 arrow...center of the lane. When guys of the older generation played it was a much bigger move to shoot across the lane then it is for him.

And I agree with SNL about the speed thing. There is no need to throw the ball that hard at single pin spares except to act cool. Anything that is more than 2-3 MPH higher than your "natural speed" is muscled at the bottom of the swing and increases errors. It isn't "free and loose" if you are accelerating through the downswing.

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makpa · « **Reply #52 on:** February 27, 2012, 05:31:55 AM »

There is several ways to make spares. I dont think any of them is better than the other.

Throwing straight with 30 mph works for one (Rash, Osku etc.) they might miss a spare once a while

Look at Duke he use his strikeball at any spare but dont increase speed but i just saw him miss a 10 pin on xtraframe.

Some will use a plastic ball and normal release (PDW, Mika, Belmonte etc.) but i think most of us saw Mika miss that 10 pin in last years US open.

In my opinion there is no right way to do it.

I my self carry a 210 average on sport and on the EBT tour which i go to several times a year.

I only carry 4-6 balls depending on driving or flying and none of them is a plastic ball. I adapted my game to this and shoot straight and hard on almost any spare for me this is the most comfort.

Edited by makpa on 27-02-2012 at 6:33 AM

mainzer · « **Reply #53 on:** February 27, 2012, 07:10:27 AM »

makpa wrote on 2/27/2012 6:31 AM: There is several ways to make spares. I dont think any of them is better than the other.
Throwing straight with 30 mph works for one (Rash, Osku etc.) they might miss a spare once a while
Look at Duke he use his strikeball at any spare but dont increase speed but i just saw him miss a 10 pin on xtraframe.
Some will use a plastic ball and normal release (PDW, Mika, Belmonte etc.) but i think most of us saw Mika miss that 10 pin in last years US open.

In my opinion there is no right way to do it.

I my self carry a 210 average on sport and on the EBT tour which i go to several times a year.
I only carry 4-6 balls depending on driving or flying and none of them is a plastic ball. I adapted my game to this and shoot straight and hard on almost any spare for me this is the most comfort.

Edited by makpa on 27-02-2012 at 6:33 AM

Pete Weber missed a spare throwing it about 5 mph with a plastic ball on Sunday.

Barnes is supposed to have the best game on tour he has missed spares

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completebowler · « **Reply #54 on:** February 27, 2012, 12:27:46 PM »

You guys are missing the point about spare shooting by citing your examples. Everyone is going to miss from time to time. Even the pro's.

The point is that ramping up to throw it harder opens the door to more misses. Especially in crunch time. When that happens, especially on national television, it opens the door for people to question your approach at said spare.

I can't throw a baseball like Justin Verlander. But having some knowledge of the game, I can question when he gets in the occasional funk and tries over-throwing the ball. If you are a fan of his and watch him, it is really the only time he is hitable. His mechanics get rushed, his MPH goes up, and his fastball flattens out.

We have fans and commentators analyizing athletes on a daily basis in every sport...it is only here that I see idiots talk about how much more talented these guys are and that we have no business questioning what they are doing out there.

And, at the end of the day, I have more chance of beating any one of the touring pro's then I do in a MLB, NBA, NHL, NFL playing field. So why shouldn't I be able to comment on what a guy does or doesn't do on a PBA telecast?

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Sunshine n Lollipops · « **Reply #55 on:** February 27, 2012, 05:07:37 PM »

You beat me to it, complete. You're absolutely correct, it's not about whether people will miss spares or not, they will. It's all about not doing something to increase the chances you'll miss them.

completebowler wrote on 2/27/2012 1:27 PM:You guys are missing the point about spare shooting by citing your examples. Everyone is going to miss from time to time. Even the pro's.

The point is that ramping up to throw it harder opens the door to more misses. Especially in crunch time. When that happens, especially on national television, it opens the door for people to question your approach at said spare.

I can't throw a baseball like Justin Verlander. But having some knowledge of the game, I can question when he gets in the occasional funk and tries over-throwing the ball. If you are a fan of his and watch him, it is really the only time he is hitable. His mechanics get rushed, his MPH goes up, and his fastball flattens out.

We have fans and commentators analyizing athletes on a daily basis in every sport...it is only here that I see idiots talk about how much more talented these guys are and that we have no business questioning what they are doing out there.

And, at the end of the day, I have more chance of beating any one of the touring pro's then I do in a MLB, NBA, NHL, NFL playing field. So why shouldn't I be able to comment on what a guy does or doesn't do on a PBA telecast?

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