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Title: Really? No talk of the Masters? *SPOILERS INSIDE!*
Post by: Strider on February 25, 2014, 12:29:14 PM
I though it was the best show in quite some time.  You had power guys (Belmo + Tackett), a lefty (Ciminelli), a tweener (Smallwood), and a straight guy (Haugen).  Old guys, young guys, guys on a hot streak, a young gun looking for his first title, tons of different equipment, drama in every match, what else could you ask for?

Ciminelli just couldn't get his ball to read the right lane for some reason.  If he had he might have had a great chance of winning since the right side got chopped up pretty bad.  Smallwood's reaction looked good, but he just couldn't repeat or make a spare.  Haugen threw one bad shot and his carry just wasn't good enough.  Tackett took a little too long getting comfortable on the lanes but this young guy is good!

Belmo was interesting.  He looked too comfortable to start with - a little too much show boating after making the two splits.  But after looking lost during the match with Smallwood he became very serious.  He still never looked overly comfortable, but grinded out win after win.  He was a world beater through ~7 frames each game and then the wheels would come off.  Maybe he took his foot off the gas a little early after starting with big leads?  Also, he used his 2 re-racks very early each game and always on the left lane.  Was anyone there to see if the racks were off spot a little?  Like him or hate him it was a great win for Belmo.  He used every trick he had to get his ball to read the lane correctly.  Averaging 221 for 4 games with a so-so ball reaction on the Masters pattern is impressive in my book.
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Post by: Boss_Hog on February 25, 2014, 12:54:56 PM
Good show. Taped as usual.

I went to the PBA website to check the start time a little after 1 Eastern and the (actual) live scoring was halfway through the first match.

Knew the results before the "LIVE" telecast even began.



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Post by: RadioActive on February 25, 2014, 01:39:48 PM
I went to the PBA site , saw who was bowling and didn't watch it or tape it. I don't want to spend two hours listening to Randy and his love match with Blowhole, the bottle biotch.
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Post by: St. Croix on February 25, 2014, 01:41:30 PM
I attended the Saturday rounds at Carolier Lanes in New Brunswick and really enjoyed it. Dom Barrett and Belmo were fighting for the #5 seed in the final game before the televised stepladder. Barrett needed a mark in the 10th frame to close out Belmo but hit the nose and left The Big Four split. Belmo struggled throughout the last series and had several splits---most of which he converted. Belmonte's spare shooting and split conversion accuracy has improved over the last year or so---a frightening thought for the rest of the touring bowlers.
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Post by: NHLfan88 on February 25, 2014, 02:43:42 PM
Belmonte bowled like dogcrap and won.  All he did all day was roll 2-8-10s and breakup 7-10's.  Even when he had a chance to throw a strike and end the match, he should have left the 4-10. 

Even when Dom left the door open in qualifying Belmo made an awful shot and tripped out the bucket. 
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Post by: bowlingman817 on February 25, 2014, 02:56:58 PM
yeah its really starting to get boring seeing  the same guy win every week . I mean I'm not a hater or anything but Belmo had a horseshoe up his behind the whole show. oh well when you're hot everything goes right.
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Post by: Strider on February 25, 2014, 03:20:47 PM
True, Belmo couldn't do wrong at times, but that's the way it works on the short term.  I remember Tommy Jones doing the same thing a few years ago when he was POY (back when he was the high rev guy).  It seems that when you're doing things well, all the breaks go your way.  But breaks or not, I really didn't see anyone outperform him on Sunday.  Haugen perhaps, but as we keep learning, the more speed and revs you have, the wider the pocket.  Haugen (and possibly Tackett) very well could have beaten Belmo on a 3 game set, but strange things happen in one.  Aren't the tournament leaders just under .500 at the Masters?  Something like 17-19?
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Post by: MrNickRo on February 26, 2014, 11:18:03 AM
I thought the show was good as well.  How can it be boring when there is drama in every match?  Belmo struggled, but he still beat the other guys in close matches.

I hope he keeps winning because I think it's fun to watch.  Dude is averaging in the 230s almost every tournament.

Haugen really annoys me...
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Post by: northface28 on February 26, 2014, 11:36:51 AM
Belmonte bowled like dogcrap and won.  All he did all day was roll 2-8-10s and breakup 7-10's.  Even when he had a chance to throw a strike and end the match, he should have left the 4-10. 

Even when Dom left the door open in qualifying Belmo made an awful shot and tripped out the bucket. 

Yep, pure luck. Only player, all week, who got these "breaks". He should return the check and trophy.
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Post by: ccrider on February 26, 2014, 11:52:02 AM
You guys claiming that Belmo won because he is lucky can't be serious. He threw every shot. Some were marginal, but good enough to carry. I call that bowling.

IF Haugen had carried some marginal light hits, Peterson would have been saying, hit em thin and watchem spin. Some call high shots "high flush." Fact is, no bowler throws it perfect every time. Those that find ways to throw it to maximize margin of error and carry usually win. I fault the other players for catching him on an off day and not figuring out a way to beat him. On his good days, they don't have a chance, and he has more good days than off days.

I don't even like Belmo, but he is bowling better than anyone right now. He is throwing the ball great, and his form is impressive. I hope it changes, but for now, he deserves his props.
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Post by: MrNickRo on February 26, 2014, 11:56:18 AM
Yeah, when he posts his shots, it's very pretty.  Some of the best mechanics in the game today.

I don't think it matters how many hands he bowls with.  I would imagine he would have had success if he learned with one hand.

I guy bowling with three hands probably couldn't beat him!
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Post by: ccrider on February 26, 2014, 12:00:54 PM
I don't like his style and feel that 2 handed bowling should be banned. Either bowl with your left hand, your right hand, or nudge it off the stand with your head.
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Post by: MrNickRo on February 26, 2014, 12:11:15 PM
Why should it be banned? If the bowling ball is legal and he is behind the foul line, I don't think it should matter how the ball gets down-lane.

Sport evolves.
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Post by: ccrider on February 26, 2014, 12:15:51 PM
Why can't you throw it half of a game with your right and, then half with your left?
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Post by: MrNickRo on February 26, 2014, 12:27:27 PM
Throwing it two handed can still be left or right handed.  The hand on the ball is only used for support.  99% of people use two hands at the start of their approach.
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Post by: Coach Bonesaw on February 26, 2014, 12:41:10 PM
I watched the show. I was pulling for Tackett, but I'm glad Belmo won. He's the best in the world right now.
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Post by: NHLfan88 on February 26, 2014, 12:44:19 PM
I can not wait for the day when the rule states.  During your takeback you can only have one hand on the ball.  Get all of these clowns out of the game.

They can take their two handed bowling and belly putters and go away.
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Post by: Coach Bonesaw on February 26, 2014, 12:45:58 PM
I don't understand the two-hander criticism. I used to dislike the style, but now, it seems obvious that there's nothing wrong with it.
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Post by: MrNattyBoh on February 26, 2014, 01:18:16 PM
the criticism stems from the folks who are jealous that they don't roll the half as well or carry as good. I see these guys all the time while bowling at my center.......these guys don't even try to better their own game, just go out and buy the newest ball and hope it carries better. The two handed and no thumbers I have absolutely no problem.......I have a problem with the guys who criticize  everyone else.
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Post by: Good Times Good Times on February 26, 2014, 02:04:09 PM
Repeating shots > style points   ;)
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Post by: Spider Ball Bowler on February 26, 2014, 02:20:01 PM
I can not wait for the day when the rule states.  During your takeback you can only have one hand on the ball.  Get all of these clowns out of the game.

They can take their two handed bowling and belly putters and go away.

I highly doubt they will ever ban two handed bowling.  Personally, I don't like it, but hey if you can create more speed and more revs, and still be able to run the ball from 6th arrow to to the 5 board consistently, you're doing something right.

Yes he got away with some excellent breaks, but when he didn't and split..he still made the spares.  The other guys had a shot to beat him, they just didn't execute.

As far as the belly putters go, well that's a different animal.  Have you ever golfed?  I could use a pool stick and still not make putts, so I don't see the issues with the belly putters either.

With time comes change.  Me personally, I would have a 3 year bowling career if I tried to go two handed.  Not to mention a 160 average.
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Post by: ccrider on February 26, 2014, 05:34:04 PM
the criticism stems from the folks who are jealous that they don't roll the half as well or carry as good. I see these guys all the time while bowling at my center.......these guys don't even try to better their own game, just go out and buy the newest ball and hope it carries better. The two handed and no thumbers I have absolutely no problem.......I have a problem with the guys who criticize  everyone else.

Really. And I guess you don't classify your post as being critical.

We are in the United States of America, not some third world country. Everyone has a right to their opinion, even if they make no sense.

As far two handed bowling, some are traditionalist, some are not. It clearly is allowed by the present rules. Maybe the rules will evolve to make it illegal, maybe not.
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Post by: J_Mac on February 26, 2014, 05:44:01 PM
I went to the PBA site , saw who was bowling and didn't watch it or tape it. I don't want to spend two hours listening to Randy and his love match with Blowhole, the bottle biotch.

I think this is the primary reason I loath Belmo... I get so tired of Randy's love affair with him
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Post by: bowlingman817 on February 26, 2014, 05:58:40 PM
Their all part of the storm/roto family of course he going to root for belmo.
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Post by: Coach Bonesaw on February 26, 2014, 08:01:10 PM
C'mon, people. Don't take it so personally. Is it wrong to be enthusiastic about the best bowler in the world? One of the most unique bowlers in the world? It's ridiculous to suggest that a color commentator shouldn't voice his/her enthusiasm over an individual. Try watching the NBA and complain when the commentator spends time talking about Lebron James.
It comes down to the Belmo haters disliking his popularity and non-traditional style, rather than a legitimate reason for dislike.
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Post by: DP3 on February 26, 2014, 09:50:43 PM
Every style at the snapshot of the release point will show the same thing, thumb out/fingers rotate ball off the hand.

Some of us will have the mechanics to generate more tilt/higher revrate than others, but at the end of the day how does someone who keeps a "guide hand" on the ball for two steps later than someone else classify as cheating?

Rev envy generates about 99% of the hate in the bowling industry.
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Post by: northface28 on February 26, 2014, 11:34:45 PM
Every style at the snapshot of the release point will show the same thing, thumb out/fingers rotate ball off the hand.

Some of us will have the mechanics to generate more tilt/higher revrate than others, but at the end of the day how does someone who keeps a "guide hand" on the ball for two steps later than someone else classify as cheating?

Rev envy generates about 99% of the hate in the bowling industry.

+Infinity. When WRW was jamming "the red ball up 10" these same dudes were choking down his dong, now that's its someone else, there's a problem.
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Post by: northface28 on February 27, 2014, 10:13:29 AM
http://www.11thframe.com/news/article/6452
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Post by: Impending Doom on February 27, 2014, 10:23:27 AM
Jealous much? All of us are talentless hacks compared to the guys that are out on tour. They would tear your behind up and leave you for dead while you complained about SOMETHING.

The guy can play straight, he can hook it, adjust tilt, speed, loft, shoot spares without his thumb (A feat to be awed at on it's own) and he can post shots while doing it. He's killing not just the hooking patterns, but the super tough major patterns. Won the TOC, Masters (twice), the Bear open, and he's not talented?

As for Randy and his love affair with Jason, it can get to be a bit much, as I don't know how much of that is really the fact that they're both Utah guys, or that Tom Clark is breathing down Randy's neck to hype his meal ticket. Who knows.
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Post by: MrNickRo on February 27, 2014, 10:28:53 AM
I think the Belmonte haters are in the minority, so I'm not too worried.  That article is a great one.  You can't argue the numbers.
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Post by: Cornerpin on February 27, 2014, 10:34:28 AM
Every style at the snapshot of the release point will show the same thing, thumb out/fingers rotate ball off the hand.

Some of us will have the mechanics to generate more tilt/higher revrate than others, but at the end of the day how does someone who keeps a "guide hand" on the ball for two steps later than someone else classify as cheating?

Rev envy generates about 99% of the hate in the bowling industry.

+Infinity. When WRW was jamming "the red ball up 10" these same dudes were choking down his dong, now that's its someone else, there's a problem.

So true.  I hated how WRW threw the ball and was dominating the tour but I didn't wish for the weak, straight style to be made illegal.
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Post by: itsallaboutme on February 27, 2014, 10:51:09 AM
What he has done with the limited schedule the PBA now is what makes it even more remarkable. 

The way he is bowling if there were still 35 tournaments a year and they bowled 42 games every week he would probably make 20 shows.