Post by: ralphiejantz on April 03, 2010, 08:40:25 AM
really hoping to see big Wes climb the ladder
sad to say we have to watch Scroggins again in a championship match and that he now has a change to win POY
Post by: ozsweet on April 03, 2010, 05:33:51 PM
oh, well, should be a pretty good show.
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Post by: nocarey on April 03, 2010, 06:30:31 PM
match 1-
Malott vs. Angelo
match 2-
winner of match 1 vs. Barnes
match 3-
winner of match 2 vs. Weber
title match-
winner of match 3 vs. Scroggins
Post by: KMUMPS on April 03, 2010, 07:03:45 PM
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sad to say we have to watch Scroggins again in a championship match and that he now has a change to win POY
Why would you say that this is sad to see Scroggins do well. Just because Scroggins is not swinging the lane or because he doesn't have 500 revs does not mean that the guy hasn't earned it. Trust me if you would have been there watching him bowl all week you would change your mind. It may not be pretty but this guy doesn't miss.
Post by: urbanshaft on April 03, 2010, 07:07:04 PM
be very good last show thx too last year
Post by: Laybzz74 on April 03, 2010, 07:53:48 PM
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Post by: RaginCajun on April 03, 2010, 07:57:04 PM
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Post by: kidlost2000 on April 03, 2010, 07:59:36 PM
Don't care about revs or anything else. It's just not fun to watch him bowl. I've heard that from a lot of people. He still has to work and make money though.
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Post by: Marc822 on April 03, 2010, 08:38:26 PM
Edited on 4/3/2010 8:39 PM
Post by: MrPerfect on April 03, 2010, 08:48:56 PM
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Scrogs is a great bowler, I just hate watching him bowl. I'm guessing that is what the other guy is trying to say.
Don't care about revs or anything else. It's just not fun to watch him bowl. I've heard that from a lot of people. He still has to work and make money though.
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+1, it's all in the marketing, and that guy as awesome of a bowler as he is doesn't help the tour being on television. He does seem to be growing on people finally, because he is a great guy and a really good bowler.
Post by: shelley on April 03, 2010, 11:41:32 PM
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great to see 53 games of effort get decided by 1 game......... that's like taking the top 5 golfers after Saturday, starting them even and having them play a few holes..........
Unfortunately, it's always gonna be like that. It's always been like that. There are very few PBA tournaments that are simply total-pins-wins. Some of the early BPAA All Stars were like that, but it's just not how it is now.
SH
Post by: bighook69 on April 03, 2010, 11:45:46 PM
Post by: ralphiejantz on April 04, 2010, 09:16:44 AM
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sad to say we have to watch Scroggins again in a championship match and that he now has a change to win POY
Why would you say that this is sad to see Scroggins do well. Just because Scroggins is not swinging the lane or because he doesn't have 500 revs does not mean that the guy hasn't earned it. Trust me if you would have been there watching him bowl all week you would change your mind. It may not be pretty but this guy doesn't miss.
Because I would rather watch paint dry than watch Scroggins bowl
dont care about watching people swing the lane or throwing 500 revs I watch that every time I throw the ball,
He is a good bowler and he has proved that even more so this year but I really just dont see anything entertaining about watching him on TV his style is boring
also its not really that hard to miss or not repeat when there are minimal movements in your game and you puck it down 5 which is exactly what Scroggins does
Post by: abrown on April 04, 2010, 09:24:41 AM
Post by: Dyno-Joe on April 04, 2010, 09:47:05 AM
Post by: Track_Fanatic on April 04, 2010, 10:15:44 AM
Post by: charlest on April 04, 2010, 10:39:49 AM
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I'm sorry but I don't like the fact Scroggins can get POY. He would be 3rd high in end of the points, earnings, and championship round appearances. He is 5th in average, 14th in cashes, and 9th in matchplay appearances. To me that doesn't spell POY. It has been a GREAT year for him so far, please don't think I am taking credit from him. I just think the point system based off the telecasts has a weakness. Don't get me wrong, titles are important but for him to have 3 regular titles and no majors doesn't deserve POY status I feel. How he throws the ball doesn't have an affect on me, just not feeling that great about him possibly being named POY when I feel Walter had the better year. Again, Scroggins had a GREAT year but not a POY season in my book.
While I respect your right to disagree with the way the pBA has set the standards for determining the POY, I think you might reconsider the factors that you think might have more imporance than where/when a player finished in the top 5 spots for all the tournaments.
Realize that average, number of cashes, and match play appearances really have a small reflection on how high he finishes in any one tournament. And the PBA, by only setting points for the top 5, has set the bar high.
Please also realize that Scroggins has made the most of his cashes, match play appearances and average, by "finishing the job" in most cases. By that I mean, he has used his high appearance ratio to the maximum advantage, even more than Walter Ray. While I admire WRW, his game and his never-say-die attitude, he has not "finished the job" as often or as well as Scroggy has. Remember this is no longer a popularity contest. If it were, I'd vote for WRW and maybe Bill O'Neil who has been more impressive in people's minds, for the most part, than the "un-pretty" Scroggins.
Scroggy has just done more with what he has than anyone else, apparently.
Also I think the PBA doesn't want the POY to be a statistical game. Not sure if you remember, but back in the late 80 or early 90s, I think Marshall Holman won POY when he didn't win one tournament. Others who had won one but di dnot win POY were pretty annoyed at the PBA.
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Post by: dark_rising76 on April 04, 2010, 10:48:24 AM
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Post by: ralphiejantz on April 04, 2010, 11:48:47 AM
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also its not really that hard to miss or not repeat when there are minimal movements in your game and you puck it down 5 which is exactly what Scroggins does
If that is true then why ain't you, and many others, out there on tour making a living. If it is so easy why isin't the other pros doing the same thing to get a check. Don't diminish Scroggins talents. It may not be pretty but it is effective and you can't be serious when you sat it's really not that hard.
I just honestly cant bowl that way, I dont bowl on enough volume of oil that these guys do
and I dont want to go out on tour I make more money a year than anyone out on tour does and work less days a week and a month than they do for the most part
and I like being home with my family
When I was younger I really did want to go out on tour, when I got older and saw the reality of it
the tour is just not appealing for me personally
but I do like to watch it on TV
Post by: Dyno-Joe on April 04, 2010, 11:49:25 AM