Post by: chitown on March 14, 2008, 03:55:59 AM
I for one would pay the xtra 3 dollars just too help bring the PBA to where it should be.
How many USBC members are there? How much money would be raised with my idea?
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Post by: pianoman1226 on March 14, 2008, 12:04:14 PM
and the opportunity for my children and grandchildren to be
able to see the best bowlers in the world on TV. I think 3 bucks a
year is defiantly not to much to ask!
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Post by: chitown on March 14, 2008, 12:12:42 PM
Post by: JOE FALCO on March 14, 2008, 12:14:24 PM
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USBC had 2,608,279 members during the 2006/07 season. Membership for the 2005/06 season was 2,728,590.
If my figures are right .. you're suggesting an additional 7.8 million a year to support the PBA .. are you kidding? I thought the USBC was having money problems????
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Post by: chitown on March 14, 2008, 12:14:39 PM
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No. I will not subsidize the PBA. I have nothing to gain. Why would you want to contribute to a prize fund you cannot win? If think a subsidy will return the PBA to its former heyday, you are sadly mistaken.
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Prize money is what will bring the PBA up! Why do you think Texas Hold'em Poker is popular? It's because of the huge money payouts for the tournements! Thats' the ONLY reason poker is on TV!
Post by: justdale on March 14, 2008, 12:15:06 PM
I Can't see how Joe Bowler that bowls once a week with his wife should have to help subsidise the PBA.
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Post by: chitown on March 14, 2008, 12:17:01 PM
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USBC had 2,608,279 members during the 2006/07 season. Membership for the 2005/06 season was 2,728,590.
If my figures are right .. you're suggesting an additional 7.8 million a year to support the PBA .. are you kidding? I thought the USBC was having money problems????
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To go to the prize fund period! This would draw more attention to the sport and increase interest! Another thing the PBA has to do is not brodcast on Sunday's! They can't compete with the NFL or NASCAR!
The bottom line for you would be 3 dollars! I really don't think that 3 dollars per year is going to break anyone.
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Post by: chitown on March 14, 2008, 12:23:19 PM
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Make it 5 dollars and take the 10 million and invest. This should give you plenty of cash flow for decent payouts.
I would chip in 5 dollars a year for that! Your right, if invested properly and safely they could keep the flow of money going for the prize payouts.
Post by: Joeyd on March 14, 2008, 12:23:52 PM
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Wow I didn't realize that 3 dollars a year was such a big deal to you guys? Are you guys USBC members? Do you guys complain when the USBC increases it's yearly dues? Do you sit back and say what's the USBC done for ME?
If I had to guess, I'd say that it isn't the 3 dollars that's a big deal at all. It's the principle of the matter. As for asking what the USBC has done for me, no I don't do that. However, that's only because I'm on the smaller scale trying to figure out if my local association is ever going to do anything for the bowlers..
For the record, you can't use poker as an example. The PPA (Poker Players Association) doesn't put money into these big events because their members are playing. The prize funds come directly from entries. I'm sure poker players wouldn't subsidize something that they have no chance at winning. I believe that's called -EV (negative expected value) on the poker side of the fence.
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Post by: chitown on March 14, 2008, 12:25:31 PM
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3 bucks a memeber, 24 stops, adds 325000 to the prize fund, If every tourney had a top prize of at least 125k the pba would be a whole lot bigger then it is and "should" trickle down to increased usbc membership. Although for your contribution, I think the pba at that point should cease with the licensing of their patterns to houses, and let any league that is contributing to the continued support of the pba, use those patterns freely. I have always been a fan of the usbc helping support the pba. But the pba would need to do away with the exempt plan before I would buy into such a merger
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That sounds like a good idea!
Post by: Pinbuster on March 14, 2008, 12:35:34 PM
If the USBC would take over the PBA that would be another thing and I would be willing to pay for that.
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Post by: triggerman on March 14, 2008, 01:02:51 PM
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Why on earth would you donate to a for profit company with no return in goods or services? Let the owners build the business and sink money into it like all the rest of us business owners have to do!
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Post by: Joeyd on March 14, 2008, 01:09:21 PM
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Post by: DON DRAPER on March 14, 2008, 02:07:15 PM
Post by: BAPSBill on March 14, 2008, 02:49:08 PM
I didn't like the idea of the USBC supporting the WPBA
and the PBA is no different. They are "professional"
organizations, we are amuters...why should we pay the PRO's way!
They need better sponsorship, but I don't know how they are going to get it.
It's likie the Senior Tour was 10-12 years ago. Can't get the "big bucks" for TV and Sponsorship so it'll dwindle down to almost non-existence.
I'm sorry to say this, but it going that way.
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Post by: chitown on March 14, 2008, 08:04:40 PM
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I would pay. Also, would pay another $3.00 to get the women back on tour. Unfortunately you are finding just how cheap many bowlers are and how they don't begin to understand how much the pros help our sport.
I agree with you one that. I think it's a shame we don't want to support the PBA. As a bowler that really likes this sport I would donate a small amount to increase the prize fund because I think that alone would draw sponsership! Money brings interest!
Tell me if you guys think i'm wrong about this: If the PBA all of a sudden came into a lot of cash for the prize fund, and gave out 250,000 for first place in their regular tourney's and 500,000 for first in a major, do you think interest of the sport would increase? What about 1 million for first for a major? What if they did that with the prize fund along with putting the TV finals on another day or night other than Sunday?
Money talks in this world and sparks interest!
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the PBA?
the USBC National Open...increase the payout at the OPEN...
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Post by: jd1319 on March 15, 2008, 07:31:09 AM
Now take those 3 bucks, and give 100% of it back to local associations for the strict purpose of developing, and building strong youth leagues to rebuild a weak base, would be the way to go. To save bowling the sport, we must get kids and teens to think bowling leagues are cool, and worth the time investment over playstation, and all the other entertainment options available to them. Generate a greater interest amoung kids, would lead to greater viewship of the PBA, and sponsors willing to pony up the dough. The ABC, USBC, and PBA have all dropped the ball and failed to focus on the youth, with has resulted in several generations with little competative interest in bowling.
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Post by: actsbowler21 on March 17, 2008, 12:11:36 PM
$3 goes far if every bowler did it, but people complain about a $2 increase in dues just to gain a membership, why would they want to spend $3 to fund an organization that they watch on TV. Just because I play basketball does not mean I should give a dollar to the NBA just to keep it around. Same philosophy goes to the PBA.. I didn't get the PBA into it's current predicament, so why should I be responsible for helping them dig themselves out of it.
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Post by: triggerman on March 17, 2008, 12:24:00 PM
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Why doesn't USBC take $1 of our $10 every year, tighten their own belts and give it to the PBA?
I agree with this as well
dont let the USBC fool you, the finacial report is on their site, 28+ million in reservss, things arent all that bad
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Post by: dpunky on March 17, 2008, 01:07:03 PM
I think the PBA needs to re-evaluate their finances and operating expenses to find areas in which their spending is not generating lucrative returns. Then I would develop ways to get corporations from all industries to invest in the PBA, and sponsor tournaments. PBA should find ways to sell airtime to corporations so they can build more revenue. I would redo the licensing fees to make it affordable for all bowling companies to participate in the PBA, and have their equipment approved for use throughout the entire tournament. I would also allow PBA players to independently search for sponsors, allow players to wear patches displaying their personal sponsors.
If after doing all this, the PBA still needs more funds to increase PBA prize funds, then they should negotiate a deal with USBC to have the USBC invest in the PBA.
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Post by: Joeyd on March 17, 2008, 01:11:43 PM
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Thats the problem most bowlers are cheap, $3.00 is chump change to the amt you pay the proprietors that run the lanes to bowl on them each week at league. As far as I'm concerned helping out something you love to watch and do for it to survive sounds like a pretty good idea to me. Making the titles worth more money would help the sport tremendously, you will have more people sign up to try their luck at winning/cashing. Look how many people forked over $10,000 to try and play with the pros and win the WSOP, and the prize funds have become ridiculous. Making the prize funds better would gain interest in kids trying to become future stars of the sport. Their not going to strive to become the greatest bowler on the planet if they don't see the money backing up the hard work. Bottom line, money drives kids these days, their not dumb and naive, they will have interest in things that look profitable. If you want the youth leagues to flourish, we need to help out the prize fund and to all that say you would not pay it... how many of you smoke? drink? one less beer a year/one half a pack less/anything worth $3.00 less???? I don't get your ideas for not wanting to help. Just think of it as helping your health by not smoking that extra half pack or 1 beer!!
Can we PLEASE back away from this poker v. bowling comparison?!?! When has sponsor money (or any other outside money) been thrown into the prize funds in poker?? Never! It's an apples to oranges comparison.. People forked over $10,000 to play in the main event at the WSOP because they saw an amateur win and feel like they can do it too. Also, many people who are at the main event aren't forking over the $10k because they've won satellite tournaments (either online or at casinos) to pay their way in.
Helping out the PBA prize funds will make youth leagues flourish.. I can't for even one second see how that statement can be true.
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Post by: Joeyd on March 17, 2008, 02:05:08 PM
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People forked over $10,000 to try and win a huge prize. Most people never even heard of it before ESPN started televising it, then it became huge. Regardless money brought swarms of people. There are a lot of amateurs that bowl a lot that cant/wont quit their day job to take a pay cut to go out on tour. There are plenty of players that win tons of side money bowling megabucks and other big scratch tourneys, but if they tried to go on tour it wouldnt even be close to worth it. More prize money would help a lot of dreams come true to go out on tour and bowl with the best. Let's be honest, prize funds overseas are better and we claim that these guys are the best in the world... don't they deserve the best back? We could make a simple contribution and save bowling then the Budweiser's and Miller Lite's would hop on board and the USBC can eliminate our extra fees.
How can the statement of a bigger prize fund would help youth leagues flourish not be true? If you dont think every kid in America/World would like to be like Tiger Woods or any other superstar in the bigger sports that make a lot of money your nuts... Not many kids these days strive to throw it like the best PBA stars, because they don't gravitate to ohhhh he throws it well. They gravitate towards money and contracts and big prize purses... once again kids are not stupid, internet is everywhere and they know what the profitable sports are and aren't. If the prize funds were bigger, more kids would want to be like Tommy Jones/WRW/Duke, and would bowl in more leagues and parents would sign their kids up for more leagues because all that time and effort could payoff if they use their talents...
I'm going to go slow this time to make sure that we understand each other here.. People forked over $10k to play in the WSOP. Yes, that's correct. Now, when said people drop their $10k into the proverbial bucket they're playing for prize funds made ENTIRELY of their entry fees!!! There's no sponsor money or anything else being thrown that pot. At this precise point, the bowling v. poker argument is dead. Plain and simple.
Would higher prize funds draw more people? Yes, most likely. Are people not becoming bowlers solely because there's no money in it?? Highly unlikely.. Kids bowl because they like to bowl, think it's cool, etc.. do they not? As for kids not being able to use their talents, perhaps I can introduce you to the growing number of collegiate programs that are offering scholarships..
I don't see for a second what bigger prize funds would do for youth leagues. It's not like the youths are bowling for any of that money. They're bowling for scholarships, for competition, for friendships, etc.
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Post by: Krakken on March 17, 2008, 04:12:49 PM
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I'm really surprised that some of you wouldn't want to help keep the PBA going in the right direction. It's 3 lousy dollars!
take it out on the people , wow here in New Jersey we would call you
John Corzine.
let the pba tighten their belts , and make cuts from within.
instead of pumping money into a broken machine.
It's always take from the consumer, maybe because its easy to.
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Here in Chicago, we'd call you cheap! PBA has tightened their belts, prize fund is not even close to what it was a couple of years ago. Grow up and contribute 3 bucks to a good cause, its not like its 20, people donate money all the time to more worthless things...
They didn't tighten their belts they tightened the belts of the players. Cutting the prize fund should always be the LAST option.
Bottom line is I am not cheap but I am not going to pay $3 more dollars to the USBC. They keep cutting what I get every year but increasing my fees. Now we are going to go to one award in a liftime? What does my sanction money get me? The chance to spend more money and bowl in the 3 or 4 USBC Certified tourneys a year? Not worth the money alreeady in my opinion. Hell the only real benefit to having your league sanctioned is the USBC insures your money if your league officers steal it. Oh and the guy that wants the league secretary to donate their fees has never been league secretary. That is a pain in the butt job that doesn't pay enough.
Face it fellas, barring a miracle like a Billionare that loves bowling donating money to the PBA, the PBA will die out in less than 5 years. Then the exempt guys will start bowling regionals.
Post by: bowlingnut2008 on March 17, 2008, 05:29:08 PM
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They keep cutting what I get every year but increasing my fees. Now we are going to go to one award in a liftime?
I know its not much but...
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Regionals are just extensions of the PBA, are they not? Correct me if I'm wrong. If PBA on the national level crashes then the regions would also.
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Then the exempt guys will start bowling regionals.
Regionals are just extensions of the PBA, are they not? Correct me if I'm wrong. If PBA on the national level crashes then the regions would also.
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Regionals are part of the PBA but they are much cheaper to run, so I think they would survive. Just the main PBA National toruneys would die out I think.
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Post by: ThongPrincess on March 18, 2008, 11:50:45 AM
Yes I would pay the increase, but I would also expect something to be done to include increasing the Women's events from the 4 stops this year. If Joe's calculations are correct 7.8 million could allow both men and women professionals to benefit. Just my opinion.
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Post by: chitown on March 18, 2008, 03:09:04 PM
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I find it interesting that when the WIBC bought the rights to the PWBA just before the merger many called foul. The cry was why should my money go to support the women when they couldn't get the sponsorship and manage their funds. Now that the PBA is in trouble let's support them and raise our dues.
Yes I would pay the increase, but I would also expect something to be done to include increasing the Women's events from the 4 stops this year. If Joe's calculations are correct 7.8 million could allow both men and women professionals to benefit. Just my opinion.
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I would think that a 3 dollar increase to go towards the PBA could also be used to bring back the Womens tour or to add more events. That's a lot of money to add to the prize fund!
I'm actually shocked that bowlers on this site, who love the game, would not pay an xtra 3 dollars a year to breath life into the PBA and Womens tour. This would have a huge trickle down effect! This proposal would just benefit the sport!
How many kids know the PBA players names? I started bowling at age 10. I didn't bowl on a league but used to rent a lane every Sunday morning for 2 hours. I could bowl as many games as I wanted for those two hours. Even though I didn't bowl on a league I still knew who some of the PBA players were. I used to watch them on Sat TV. My favorite bowler back then was Earl Anthony. I remember they were bowling for something like 17,000 for first place. I think that's the amount. It's very sad that there only bowling for 25,000 some 27 years later!
Post by: Timotheus on March 18, 2008, 03:26:52 PM
At least with the PBA prize funds, everyone has a chance to compete to qualify in tournaments.
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Post by: actsbowler21 on March 18, 2008, 05:04:43 PM
Believe me I love watching the PBA on sunday, but I won't be too sad if it were gone if it made way for someone who actually gave a damn about the bowlers to start a tour that would promote the sport of bowling better than the "exclusive" PBA does.
Bowling exist internationally and we don't get much of a view of those bowlers unless they are beating up on one "our" PBA stars. Why don't we as an organization focus on making bowling, both domestically and internationally, more appealing. Why should we line the funds for 64 bowlers every week when we can focus on the world of competitive bowling as a whole.
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Post by: jd1319 on March 18, 2008, 06:43:45 PM
The only way for the PBA to thrive is the restoration of league bowling to prior states. Giving money to the PBA is like putting a bandaid on a severed limb. There is no magical quick answer. The only real answer is long term targeted efforts to establish school bowling programs to create youth bowlers.
Post by: tenpin on March 18, 2008, 07:32:56 PM
First of all I would not mind paying an extra 3.00 for the PBA as long as they open up the National tournaments to everyone and drop the exempt. If they want more bowlers they need to open it up to more than 50 some bowlers and only 10 bowlers out of 100 make the top 64 brackets. They would also have to open up to bowlers getting there own sponsorships and drop the License fee for bowling companies to get the equipment on tour.
On second thought I do have a problem with the 3.00 going to the PBA as I have the thought of what do they do for us. The USBC cannot even take control of problems that they have in their own organization. Plenty of centers cannot even oil their lanes to meet specifications. USBC couldn't even afford to put our averages on the cards this year due to the postage would of cost more if they made it personal.
This is just a brief rant on the subject for me. I could go either way if the right changes would be made.
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Post by: Atochabsh on March 18, 2008, 11:27:44 PM
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Since there are so many for the idea and so many against the idea to add $3 a year why don't they do it like the tax forms we fill out have a box on the sanctioning card where you have a choice to donate $3 extra a year , at least that way you have a choice those that feel strongly let them donate. Also have it that every pro has to donate$100 extra every year , they are the ones benefiting from it anyway
Good idea, but most of the secretaries already have a hard enough time balancing their books and getting their leagues sanctioned. You want to them now to deal with an optional $3 donation. Not going to happen. Secretaries already have to deal with local only, state and local only or state, local and National fes. for most secretaries its already too confusing.
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Post by: chitown on March 19, 2008, 09:16:33 AM
Some of you guys that have replied don't think this would spark an interest in the PBA. I just can't see how that wouldn't create more of an interest in the PBA at all levels! I could almost garuntee you would see the younger generation show more interest in the PBA and sport of bowling!
I also agree the exempt status should be dropped if there was an increase in prize money! Only allow PBA members to enter the each tourney.
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Post by: jd1319 on March 19, 2008, 12:14:06 PM
Money to the PBA is a tax the poor and give to the rich scheme.
Post by: chitown on March 19, 2008, 12:55:40 PM
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A million bucks for a major might slightly increase the interest in bowling in the event, but it won't increase viewship, it's not going to improve TV ratings, and that is the heart of the problem. You think by throwing money at the problem, it will solve itself, but the problem is, those who care about the bowling prize fund, already watch the PBA. The problem is how to get kids to think about bowling instead of playstation, little league, etc... Is a Million dollar prize fund going to get a Bears fan to watch bowling instead? LMAO, it will never happen. What would it take to get those football fans to tune into bowling during the offseason? Bowling is not an excititng TV sport, unless your a diehard bowling fan. Unfortunately, our numbers are woefully lacking.
Money to the PBA is a tax the poor and give to the rich scheme.
I agree that increasing the prize fund by itself is not the only answer to their problems. I have said many times before that having the TV finals on Sunday is just plain dumb! The PBA can't compete against the NFL or NASCAR!
I do think the PBA could do much better on Sat mornings or some night during the week.
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Post by: NYC Bowler on April 04, 2008, 12:35:15 AM
Seriously, I am not all to pleased with the current state of affairs at the USBC anyway. I could not even tell you what I get for my national dues, local association dues, and whatever other dues the fine people at the USBC feel like charging me.
I am a huge bowling fan, love bowling my leagues during the week, but I just dont see myself donating 3 additional dollars to the USBC to be utilized by the PBA. And really, its not the money...
Post by: chitown on April 04, 2008, 08:44:45 AM
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Can everyone just send me the 3 dollars??
Seriously, I am not all to pleased with the current state of affairs at the USBC anyway. I could not even tell you what I get for my national dues, local association dues, and whatever other dues the fine people at the USBC feel like charging me.
I am a huge bowling fan, love bowling my leagues during the week, but I just dont see myself donating 3 additional dollars to the USBC to be utilized by the PBA. And really, its not the money...
If it's not the money then what is it?
Post by: Jorge300 on April 04, 2008, 09:09:12 AM
While I think there needs to be some opening of the field, totally open tournaments are not the answer. Look at the replies about some of the amateurs at the US Open. We need to keep a balance between "the best bowlers" and opening the field for everyone. What is the right number or scenario, I don't know, but there has to be a happy medium.
And lastly, I think the PBA tournaments need to be more rotational, minus the majors. While it is nice to be in the same center year after year, once you have the modified exempt format from my paragraph above, the way to bring more people into the tournament would be to move it around an area/region. Come back to a center every 3-4 years, like Nationals in Reno. I'll use my home state as an example: The tour stops in El Paso every year. Instead of that, have it in El Paso this year, Dallas next year, Houston the next year, back to El Paso, back to Dallas, back to Houston, etc. In the NE move a tournament from Baltimore to PA, to DE, etc. This way more people are exposed to it, hopefully bigger crowds throughout the week, and more local entrants for the qualifying rounds which adds an additional few dollars to the prize funds.
Just my .02, flame suit on.
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Post by: Bowlin for Beer on April 04, 2008, 10:19:33 AM
Or maybe they can harrass you in the parking lot as you walk into the grocery store: "hey, come on, gimme $3." "It's only three dollars, you can afford it."
Then, I'd stiff 'em the same way I do the rest of the beggars.
Post by: Rileybowler on April 04, 2008, 11:17:06 AM
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Carl
Post by: jbruno6 on April 04, 2008, 11:21:20 AM
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A half ten is not a great shot. No, you shouldn't have carried it.
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Post by: Rileybowler on April 04, 2008, 11:48:12 AM
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No way I would drop out of being sanctioned. Why should the league bowler pay the wages of the pros. One thing that no one has mentioned is the fact that no one forced anyone to become a pro it is a personal choice the same as the choice anyone makes on their profession, no one is owed a living or a free pass so to speak. How about the pros being charged more for entry fees maybe up it to $1000 then the pot would be larger, also they should be compensated for advertizing for companies such as Vise Grip , Dexter and whoever merchandise that they wear not the league bowler. It is no benefit whatsoever to the league bowler to support the pro tour
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In every other Professional sport the fan/spectator is paying the pro athletes, by paying the outrageous price for tickets and merchandise. I'm pretty sure the establishment their at gets the benefits of ticket sales, so the Pro's are "out" there. If you make the entries fees larger its just more lost for the guys that are the middle of the pack... It's all relative, what would change if people paid 500 or 1000, nothing except for losing bowlers because of the costs involved. It also would increase the amount won for the elite, which is not really the problem. The guys who made $75,000 profit in the 22 weeks shouldn't be complaining and aren't complaining... It's the middle of the pack guys and their losing for the amount of time put forth away from their families half the year.
What's three bucks extra in your life... just do a duty to your sport and help it out, never know what the three bucks this time will do for the sport... If it doesnt help then do away with it next year, but I really think the extra 7.8 MM will spark new interest and new sponsors!
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They also have a choice of to purchase or not purchase a ticket, make it an option on the sanction cards of contributing or not , at least it is fair that way
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Carl