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Weber and the IQ Tour Pearl
« on: March 31, 2013, 09:41:38 PM »
So how did he get a ball like this to roll out at the pocket on almost every shot?

Touch?
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Re: Weber and the IQ Tour Pearl
« Reply #16 on: April 01, 2013, 10:45:42 PM »
If PDW was nervous before the match, and had no look during practice, it sounds like he took a page out of Earl Anthony's playbook: something like "I don't know Bo, I can't hit the pocket, nothing feels right, the lanes are playing different than all week. It'll be a challenge"..then he shoots 250+.  I'm sure Del Ballard had something to do with the adjustments too.  I watched the the show, and that match was something else.
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Re: Weber and the IQ Tour Pearl
« Reply #17 on: April 02, 2013, 08:40:40 AM »
I remember Amleto using that roll out shot all the time.

You have to be pretty precise because if it rolls out too soon it hits like a pumpkin.

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Re: Weber and the IQ Tour Pearl
« Reply #18 on: April 02, 2013, 09:15:06 AM »
My brother and I were having a discussion about who the best is overall, Walter or Pete? I said "All time? Pete. After resin came out, Pete." He was confused by that, and asked why. I said "Walter went nuts from 93-now. Pete revamped his game to work with resin, has done pretty dang well after the revamp, and is stomping on guys 20 years younger than he on a daily basis. Also, I've never heard anyone say "I want to throw it like Walter Ray." Pete > Walter Ray, IMO.

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Re: Weber and the IQ Tour Pearl
« Reply #19 on: April 02, 2013, 10:12:13 PM »
Also, I've never heard anyone say "I want to throw it like Walter Ray." Pete > Walter Ray, IMO.

Well, I am far from a WRW fan but allow meto alter your statement to make it true....

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Re: Weber and the IQ Tour Pearl
« Reply #20 on: April 02, 2013, 11:36:30 PM »
Pete's release is the envy of the industry. I'd take it over anyone's game on tour.  Power can be impressive at times, but "poetry in motion" is so fun to watch. 

Power and revs need head oil, while PDW can get the ball to glide through the area those guys have long vacated.  Norm Duke also comes to mind as one who can finesse it well.  Del Ballard should get more credit for his talents in helping the guys on tour.

PDW has to be one of the most technically sound bowlers that we have ever seen.  Definitely one of the best matches in a long time and his ball motion was a thing of beauty.
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Re: Weber and the IQ Tour Pearl
« Reply #21 on: April 05, 2013, 07:07:51 AM »
The 11th Frame: Pete Weber’s TOC win raises question of why majors don’t matter as much in bowling as golf

http://11thframe.com/page/blog_id_5788

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Re: Weber and the IQ Tour Pearl
« Reply #22 on: April 05, 2013, 07:53:49 AM »
Also, I've never heard anyone say "I want to throw it like Walter Ray." Pete > Walter Ray, IMO.

Well, I am far from a WRW fan but allow meto alter your statement to make it true....

"I've never heard anyone say they want to throw it like Walter, but I have heard plenty say I would love to have the money made by throwing it like Walter."
Not many may want to have thrown it like WRW but I would take his accuracy over anyone's, hands down.

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Re: Weber and the IQ Tour Pearl
« Reply #23 on: April 05, 2013, 09:01:26 AM »
Oh, not debating Walter Ray's results. That would be ignorant of me. What I am saying is no one would want to do it the way Walter does. He defies convention, and wrecks.

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Re: Weber and the IQ Tour Pearl
« Reply #24 on: April 05, 2013, 11:25:43 AM »
The 11th Frame: Pete Weber’s TOC win raises question of why majors don’t matter as much in bowling as golf

http://11thframe.com/page/blog_id_5788


I think majors matter in bowling... It's just that top leaders in them are all bunched together...  Not like golf where you have 2 clear cut leaders.

And after reading your link, Don Carter is getting hosed.  He should be mentioned right up there with the top major leaders... Not sure of his total wins, guess I could google it.

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Re: Weber and the IQ Tour Pearl
« Reply #25 on: April 05, 2013, 11:27:15 AM »
Carter only has like 8 PBA wins but he was pretty much done early in PBA history and he and Weber absolutely owned the early PBA.

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Re: Weber and the IQ Tour Pearl
« Reply #26 on: April 05, 2013, 05:43:39 PM »
Oh, I was talking total wins non-pba & pba, major & non-major as well... 

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Re: Weber and the IQ Tour Pearl
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Re: Weber and the IQ Tour Pearl
« Reply #28 on: April 11, 2013, 07:48:12 AM »
So how did he get a ball like this to roll out at the pocket on almost every shot?

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To me it seemed Pete's ball was hooked out, but certainly not rolled out. It was still hitting crisp. Another benefit of high axis rotation. Simply put, when you have high rotation (and sufficient friction, but we could see that was there) then precession becomes your friend. Precession is the change in rotational force that we bowlers commonly refer to as "facing up".

Pete Weber's ball takes longer to face up and therefore longer to roll out because it needs more lane time to turn the ball from 75° of rotation back to almost 0° of dead roll. And all that precession time means the rev rate is accelerating as the ball speed is slowing. So Pete's beautiful stroke keeps the ball alive, thriving in fact!

And yeah, he is that good too! Jeez, he's Pete Weber! :)

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Re: Weber and the IQ Tour Pearl
« Reply #29 on: June 04, 2013, 04:26:52 PM »
Pete has the most axis rotation of any top player out there.   That can be a blessing and a curse.  A lot of conditions today really favor lower axis rotation.  However when he hits a condition that rewards such a high rotation he is almost unbeatable because of his execution, and the fact nobody else can really match his release.  The young guys are mostly using massive speed to create skid with their low axis rotations and high rev rates.  I think you can be more versatile with such an approach, but there are always going to be conditions that favor something different.