Author Topic: Wes Malott=Choker?? (Read 11618 times)

tonybowls · « **on:** December 09, 2007, 10:13:18 PM »

For all you Chris Barnes haters I have a question. Is Wes Malott a choker? 2-6 lifetime in TV Finals. 15 times made TV and only 2 titles. So I'm wondering why he doesn't take some heat for not winning more. Maybe some of you bowling guru's can fill me in on this.

BuzzsawCrazy · « **Reply #16 on:** December 10, 2007, 10:47:45 AM »

Wes Malott is a beast. He is one of the best power bowlers on the tour. As of right now he has the second highest average on the tour only behind WRW. He has made a few telecasts this year as well. He had a hard time carrying because the four bowlers at the beginning of the show had 50 minutes of practice and with four guys the track area on the lane disappears and the shot starts to get spotty. I think it was a matter of carrying the hits. None of the bowlers are chokers.
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ccrider · « **Reply #17 on:** December 10, 2007, 11:19:23 AM »

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For all you who think any of those guys are chokers how many PBA titles do you have.
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First, let me say that I like Wes and thinks that ultimately he will be one of the best bowlers on tour.

You do not have to be a professional bowler or have won a title to know a person that chokes under pressure. The best figures out a way to overcome the pressure and stress and does what it takes to win, whether it be football, baseball, bowling, pool, etc. It does not matter.

Wes chokes --- time after time.

This is not to say that he will always choke. After time, he may figure out what it takes to overcome his nerves and capture the moment. I think that he will. I have watched him and its like you can see the uncertainty in sense that for now he "lacks the ability to close the deal". The ultimate choker.

Based on yesterday's performance, Wes is definitely not a choker.

He had to deal with tremendous transition.

He was, after all, the last right-handed bowler standing, and that left lane became very hard to hit. Had he struck on that lane more often (left a couple of 2-8 spares by not finishing enough, since he had to move deeper in order not to go through the beak), I think the outcome might've (might have) been different.

Patrick didn't have to deal with his side changing too much, he was still able to play near the ditch, and although he had to make a couple of small moves to get the necessary reaction out his his bowling balls, the changes were not nearly as radical as Wes's. (By the way, I am not descrediting Patrick-he bowled great.)

So, no, I do not believe Wes choked. Bowling adjustments don't always work out as we intend them to.
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Excuses are monuments of nothing building bridges that lead to nowhere.

They all bowled on the same lanes. Noone had there hands tied behind their back. If Wes is making the same excuses that you and others seem to be making for him, that is a big part of his proble. He should call it straight up, he did not perform in the end, he did not close, and it is not the lanes fault.

By definition (my definition anyway), choking is the failure to throw the best shot when it matters. Wes did not do it and has not done it on TV -- Period.

You just started bowling in 2007, and can already make the statement that a shot is a shot no matter what.

Hmmmmm.

Learn a little about the game, and then decide.

The adjustments Wes had to make were way more difficult than Patrick's, since his moves required larger chunks of real estate.

One day, perhaps, you'll understand.
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O.k. There are no chokers out there. Some of the pros are just lucky and some are unlucky. And the one that wins stars just happened to be lined up as they shoot the crucial shot. GET REAL.

Yes, I just started bowling in 2007. I do not claim to be a pro, or even to be good. However, I am adept enough to respond to and attack illogical arguments or assertions, rather than turning to personal attacks when my argument is too weak to carry the day, unlike the wolf guy above.

The fact that I am not a pro, or have only bowled for about a year, does not mean that I do not understand the game, or the impact of lane conditions. I venture to say that I have probably read and studied the game more in the last 8 months then most have the last ten years, although my bowling experience is really beside the point.

They are all pros. They are all good. However, there is something that separates the best from the rest --- the ability to finish. It does not matter what the sport, task or challenge in life is. Some have it, some don't. Whether Wes has it, but has not found it within is yet to be seen.

EboKnight · « **Reply #18 on:** December 10, 2007, 11:22:51 AM »

Wes doesnt choke.

the last 2 shows he stones a ten and the other the right side is a squirrelly as it gets.

if he had the same shot that PA did this week he would have won outright.
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Dan Belcher · « **Reply #19 on:** December 10, 2007, 11:25:41 AM »

In my opinion, to truly "choke," you need to make a pretty terrible shot. Coming in light on the left lane where he never had a consistent ball reaction is not choking. Leaving a ringing 10 pin is not choking. Completely missing it at the bottom of the swing and leaving the Big Four or the bucket in the 10th frame would be an example of choking to me.

LuckyLefty · « **Reply #20 on:** December 10, 2007, 11:28:21 AM »

I believe there are "chokers" out there and in every sport.

Randy Peterson says it very well every week. If you have bad ball reaction in practice it is tough to be real confident in the real match! I believe sometimes the "choker" can be one of the best bowlers in the world who simply has a BAD ball reaction that day and can't find the fix!

I believe the reason Wes Malott is not viewed as a choker is that when called on to strike to win he has frequently annhilated the hole but been tapped.

On the other hand Chris Barnes that great bowler has often thrown splits in matches when needing to strike and often these are caused by bad throws(often down into the lane that render his ball....inevitably to be headed to splitsville).

REgards,

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Fluff E Bunnie · « **Reply #21 on:** December 10, 2007, 11:29:30 AM »

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In my opinion, to truly "choke," you need to make a pretty terrible shot. Coming in light on the left lane where he never had a consistent ball reaction is not choking. Leaving a ringing 10 pin is not choking.

That's my take on it as well...

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Wolfe even made the comment that the lanes were bad. I can't recall exactly what he said though.

I just heard it on the replay this afternoon... He said something like good job on the pair guys or something like that. Then Randy came on to explain that you had 8 guys with extra practice breaking down the lanes.

Fluff E Bunnie · « **Reply #22 on:** December 10, 2007, 11:30:56 AM »

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On the other hand Chris Barnes that great bowler has often thrown splits in matches when needing to strike and often these are caused by bad throws(often down into the lane that render his ball....inevitably to be headed to splitsville).

I think recently in a match this year he needed 8/ or something to win the match and he missed to the right by a couple boards and actually left 3 pins. I could be wrong on those numbers but I remember something like that.

ccrider · « **Reply #23 on:** December 10, 2007, 11:38:23 AM »

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I believe there are "chokers" out there and in every sport.

Randy Peterson says it very well every week. If you have bad ball reaction in practice it is tough to be real confident in the real match! I believe sometimes the "choker" can be one of the best bowlers in the world who simply has a BAD ball reaction that day and can't find the fix!

I believe the reason Wes Malott is not viewed as a choker is that when called on to strike to win he has frequently annhilated the hole but been tapped.

On the other hand Chris Barnes that great bowler has often thrown splits in matches when needing to strike and often these are caused by bad throws(often down into the lane that render his ball....inevitably to be headed to splitsville).

REgards,

Luckylefty

You may be correct, but I must ask, if the ball is thrown correctly, will it strike. Or, is there some unknown force that will stop a properly thrown ball from striking. I know men are not machines. But, I was under the impression that if the ball is thrown correctly to the pocket, all of the pins will fall, and if they don't fall, there was a problem with how the ball was thrown. The problem could be speed, angle to the pocket,etc.

Asked a different way, what percentage of balls strike when being shot by a robot? Do they habitually leave ringing 10's or eight pins?
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Borincano · « **Reply #24 on:** December 10, 2007, 11:40:47 AM »

He did what we all do. Over think his shot and he tried to over power the spot that he thought was puddled with oil. Just one simple move to his right and he will have been on target. It happens to all of us. If the ball is not coming back as you want it to do and rolling to the right. Then move to your right. Moves to much to the left. Then move to the left. That is why he left to may 4 8's standing. He is not a choker. Just a blank moment in his thinking process.

BowlingWolf · « **Reply #25 on:** December 10, 2007, 11:45:18 AM »

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I believe there are "chokers" out there and in every sport.

Randy Peterson says it very well every week. If you have bad ball reaction in practice it is tough to be real confident in the real match! I believe sometimes the "choker" can be one of the best bowlers in the world who simply has a BAD ball reaction that day and can't find the fix!

I believe the reason Wes Malott is not viewed as a choker is that when called on to strike to win he has frequently annhilated the hole but been tapped.

On the other hand Chris Barnes that great bowler has often thrown splits in matches when needing to strike and often these are caused by bad throws(often down into the lane that render his ball....inevitably to be headed to splitsville).

REgards,

Luckylefty

You may be correct, but I must ask, if the ball is thrown correctly, will it strike. Or, is there some unknown force that will stop a properly thrown ball from striking. I know men are not machines. But, I was under the impression that if the ball is thrown correctly to the pocket, all of the pins will fall, and if they don't fall, there was a problem with how the ball was thrown. The problem could be speed, angle to the pocket,etc.

Asked a different way, what percentage of balls strike when being shot by a robot? Do they habitually leave ringing 10's or eight pins?
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You're a sly one ccrider.

First you say you admire Wes, then you do an about-face and blast him as a choker.

Bowling is a game of guesses, or adjustments if you may.

Some are easier than others.

Being that Wes is a right-hander, his adjustments required more severe figuring out, hence, his hesitation as to how much he should cross on the lane (left lane).

Anytime you have to cross many boards, chances are that your intended result is not going to be accomplished.

THAT DOES NOT MAKE WES A CHOKER.

Patrick's adjustments were smaller, being that he was playing near the ditch, and also, incidentally, playing near the ditch provides an angle that is inherently easier to strike from.
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Dan Belcher · « **Reply #26 on:** December 10, 2007, 11:47:51 AM »

You know, according to your logic, ccrider, everyone who doesn't shoot a 300 every single game is a choker...

ccrider · « **Reply #27 on:** December 10, 2007, 11:54:13 AM »

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You know, according to your logic, ccrider, everyone who doesn't shoot a 300 every single game is a choker...

Wrong again. According to my logic, when one needs 10 to win, and he throws 9 or less, he choked.

Or, if one needs 161 to win, and he bowls 154, he choked. The person that bowls the 161 did what he needed to do to finish.

My allegiance to Wes is not newly founded. There was a post on here months ago and and I stated then that I thought Wes would be the best this year, if he conquered his nerves.

Again, I would like to know whether the robot chokes regularly, or if, as I have read, when one throws the ball right, all ten pins fall.

Dan Belcher · « **Reply #28 on:** December 10, 2007, 12:04:12 PM »

First off, holding a human being to the same standard as a friggin' robot? You don't ask for much, do you??? No human being is going to throw the ball exactly the same every single time like a robot. (And even if you did, that'd get you in trouble -- did you know the Throwbot has never thrown a 300 because it dries out its line too much hitting it exactly the same each time?)

And by the way, do you think Chris Warren choked earlier in the broadcast when he stoned a 9 pin off an absolutely beautiful looking shot and lost by one pin?

I still say if you throw the ball pretty good, it's not a choke. Completely f--- up and leave a huge split, you choked.

pop_1 · « **Reply #29 on:** December 10, 2007, 12:04:13 PM »

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You know, according to your logic, ccrider, everyone who doesn't shoot a 300 every single game is a choker...

Wrong again. According to my logic, when one needs 10 to win, and he throws 9 or less, he choked.

Or, if one needs 161 to win, and he bowls 154, he choked. The person that bowls the 161 did what he needed to do to finish.

My allegiance to Wes is not newly founded. There was a post on here months ago and and I stated then that I thought Wes would be the best this year, if he conquered his nerves.

Again, I would like to know whether the robot chokes regularly, or if, as I have read, when one throws the ball right, all ten pins fall.

But by this theory, it would mean that anyone who loses chokes.

BowlingWolf · « **Reply #30 on:** December 10, 2007, 12:08:30 PM »

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You know, according to your logic, ccrider, everyone who doesn't shoot a 300 every single game is a choker...

Wrong again. According to my logic, when one needs 10 to win, and he throws 9 or less, he choked.

Or, if one needs 161 to win, and he bowls 154, he choked. The person that bowls the 161 did what he needed to do to finish.

My allegiance to Wes is not newly founded. There was a post on here months ago and and I stated then that I thought Wes would be the best this year, if he conquered his nerves.

Again, I would like to know whether the robot chokes regularly, or if, as I have read, when one throws the ball right, all ten pins fall.

1- The score was 161 to 152
2- Even a robot needs a human to line it up, and then they do NOT strike at will
3- Thowing an absolute pure shot in the pocket does not guarantee a strike
4- Not being able to adjust and make an immediate good guess as where to stand and where to throw the ball, then execute it perfectly, does not make one a choker

I think you are the one that needs to get REAL!
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