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AllStar23

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What was Brad Angelo throwing?
« on: February 01, 2004, 01:21:50 AM »
What was Brad Angelo throwing? Was it a groove?
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Re: What was Brad Angelo throwing?
« Reply #1 on: February 01, 2004, 04:30:58 PM »
Yea it does..I think i saw the red writing on the ball too..For a low end ball it hit pretty well.
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Re: What was Brad Angelo throwing?
« Reply #2 on: February 01, 2004, 05:04:50 PM »
lol..
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Re: What was Brad Angelo throwing?
« Reply #3 on: February 01, 2004, 05:27:35 PM »
I thought it was a fuze igniter
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Re: What was Brad Angelo throwing?
« Reply #4 on: February 01, 2004, 06:04:12 PM »
Chrome/Yellow Power Groove.  Must have had it drilled really tame too.  Those Power Grooves aren't supposed to hook much, but they're a BEAST on a house shot.  They'll flat out skid in oil, hook on dry, period.  The lack of core dynamics really help it save energy, because the thing flat out doesn't rev at ALL.  Nothing was really snappy today though, even Weber's Reloaded was pretty smooth.
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Re: What was Brad Angelo throwing?
« Reply #5 on: February 01, 2004, 06:07:24 PM »
I would expect the FUZE IGNITER to have more BLUE in the coloring .. I couldn't see any labels on the ball at all .. in color it looked like the GROOVE ..
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Re: What was Brad Angelo throwing?
« Reply #6 on: February 01, 2004, 06:20:31 PM »
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Chrome/Yellow Power Groove.  Must have had it drilled really tame too.  Those Power Grooves aren't supposed to hook much, but they're a BEAST on a house shot.  They'll flat out skid in oil, hook on dry, period.  The lack of core dynamics really help it save energy, ."


Hamster,

Check the specs again, please. Lack of dynamics? You gotta be kididng me.
.041" of Rg Differential translates in to 4-6" of flare. That's a whole hell of a lot of "dynamics".
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the PK 17 coverstock is not exactly weak or mild.
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Re: What was Brad Angelo throwing?
« Reply #7 on: February 01, 2004, 10:21:17 PM »
brad angelo also used an inferno in the championship match against mika.

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Re: What was Brad Angelo throwing?
« Reply #8 on: February 01, 2004, 10:38:40 PM »
Don't underestimate those power grooves!  I have both the pro-active and the pearl re-active, and they will hit, it just usually takes someone with a little extra hand to make the pearl work (except in the dirt) well.  Watching him throw it, it is obvious he has PLENTY of hand to make ANYTHING hook and hit, as long as there is anything on the backends.

  Notice also that in the last game, you saw the weakness in the power groove pearl--CARRYDOWN!  I think that change in his line confused him and that was what caused his demise in the finals.  I also experience the same thing in league, after about a game and a half I have to adjust to a tighter lins cause the carrydown takes some of the backend(finish) out of my pearl.

  The pk17 coverstock is good, just a little sensitive to the carrydown, especially with the high r.g. rating it gets squirty after a while!
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Re: What was Brad Angelo throwing?
« Reply #9 on: February 01, 2004, 11:03:49 PM »
According to Brunswick's charts, they're not supposed to hook much.  The hook rating is 70, and the backend rating is 75.  They all hook more than the Blazing does, and the hook rating on it is 110 with a backend rating of 90.  YEAH RIGHT.  My Ice Blue will outhook, outbackend, and outcarry the Blazing, plus the fact it's more predictable and consistent.  

As far as core dynamics, I was referring to the ball's inability to rev.  It flares nicely, but you can have a flare monster that won't do jack squat.  PK 17 is a strong cover, but being pearlized makes its reaction in oil virtually zero.  It has an extremely high rg, characteristic of skid/flip balls.  Meaning that if you hit some carrydown, instead of hitting light, or maybe leaving a 2 pin, you'll be leaving a washout.  But when you have fresh backends, this thing will be one awesome ball.  

Get my point now?  There's no way it's a 70.  I'll believe the 155 for length, but not the hook or backend ratings, cause they're off.  That and the ball doesn't rev, two pretty simple points.
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Re: What was Brad Angelo throwing?
« Reply #10 on: February 02, 2004, 08:36:51 AM »
I would also rather use the PK 17 coverstock as a goto from the Inferno-type coverstock, but that is just my preference.

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As far as core dynamics, I was referring to the ball's inability to rev.


But that is not the prime meaning of core dynamics, AFAIK. The RG rating is only one aspect of the core; and the ability of the ball to rev is a combination of many factors not just the RG rating. Bowler's delivery, oil pattern, drilling and surface all enter into this picture.

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 It flares nicely, but you can have a flare monster that won't do jack squat.  PK 17 is a strong cover, but being pearlized makes its reaction in oil virtually zero.


That is not true for many bowlers. Heavy oil, yes; medium-heavy, yes. But those are not the conditions for which the ball was intended. Actually, there was not the huge difference between the pearlized and the solid PK 17 and PK 18 surfaces with the same core that there is in many other coverstocks. The pearlized PK 17 will react quite nicely form medium-light thru medium oil conditions.

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It has an extremely high rg, characteristic of skid/flip balls.


But you just said,
"My Ice Blue will outhook, outbackend, and outcarry the Blazing, plus the fact it's more predictable and consistent. "
To be that different from the Blazing, FOR YOU, the Power Groove can't be that much of a skid/flip ball. Yes, I understand that you said "more".

Your description of the Blazing Inferno sounds more like what I have seen of the SlayR, and extremely mild ball meant for dry to medium-light oil patterns.

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Get my point now?  There's no way it's a 70.  I'll believe the 155 for length, but not the hook or backend ratings, cause they're off.  That and the ball doesn't rev, two pretty simple points.


I understand the apparent differences you have seen between the two balls, but your initial description was confusing and not accurate, as I have indicated. I have not seen the huge differences between the Power Groove and the Blazing Inferno that you have seen. It's hard to generalize our personal experiences to that of everyone else who may use a ball without taking into many factors.



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Re: What was Brad Angelo throwing?
« Reply #11 on: February 02, 2004, 11:00:00 AM »
You make sensible points, once again.  However, I've seen enough of the Power Groove and Blazing to be able to come to a reasonable conclusion.  I have a friend with both, and he's had 3 300's and 3 800's (high of 837) with his Power Groove, and absolutely cannot stand his Blazing.  They're both drilled the same.  Polished or sanded, the Blazing flat out sucks.  There's another guy that has a Blazing, he uses it for a spare ball.  

Of course, many people absolutely love their Infernos, and maybe they work well somewhere else, but not here.  They burn their energy before 35 feet, try to hook too early, hit flat and leave 10's.  Anyway, as badly as I may have explained it, I was mainly referring to the fact that because of its ability to retain energy combined with the coverstock, it's a lot better ball than I think it was intended to be.  From Brunswick's own description, I believe it was meant to be like a Scout, just with a little stronger coverstock.  Here in town, they're all skid/snap monsters.
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Re: What was Brad Angelo throwing?
« Reply #12 on: February 02, 2004, 11:05:32 AM »
Hamster,

Thanks, and understood. Hope it continues to work well for you. Comparing balls with people who understand (Yes, this means you.) provides a wealth of knowledge to everyone.
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