Post by: Reality Check on October 19, 2008, 10:01:20 PM
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Reality Is.......Working out how to carry the 10, only to start leaving the 7.
Post by: cheech on October 20, 2008, 09:10:15 AM
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HG:300x2(SR300 both)289(sawblade)280(SR300)
HS:792(SR300)778(SR300)778(SR300/Dr.Jekyll)
bowling for 14years
18 years old
2004 NYSPHSAA team champions
2007 NYSPHSAA individual high game(300) and series(1411-6 games)
current arsenal:
rival, arch rival, dead flush,scout,
blue vibe
SR300, RXS300 maxim
on the way maybe.....the sauce, momentum swing,resurgence, or demension.
p.s. go leftys
Post by: Phoneman on October 20, 2008, 09:15:53 AM
Post by: Necromancer on October 20, 2008, 10:08:24 AM
quote:
robby Revs are not allowed on the tour.
LOL, not at you but at the idea of them being allowed. I don't think anything on the bowling arm or wrist should be allowed. That is a big part of the game. If you can't keep your wrist/arm/elbow/etc steady or whatever, hit the gym, or don't even bowl. I don't use anything in my league. Some others have a whole mechanical arm on their bowling arm. It is ridiculous. All you basically gotta do is swing your arm back and then forward and let go. For the ones that cup your wrist automatically, where is the skill involved? LOL!
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Brunswick Fury
Columbia 300 EPX T1
Storm X-Factor Vertigo
Hammer Black Widow
Lane #1 Cobalt Bomb Solid
Brunswick Quantum Helix
Brunswick Quantum Double Helix
Storm Recharge
Columbia 300 SuperBeast
Storm Hit Blue Pearl
Brunswick Target Spare Zone
Ebonite 14 Fun Ball
Averages: Fall/Winter Sub 2007 213.000 Fall/Winter Season 2006 206.467 2006-07 Year 213.067 2007 Tourney 178.029
2006-07 League Champions
2007-08 League Champions
2008-09 Three-Peat???
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6'0" and ~210lbs @10% BF
Post by: LuckyLefty on October 20, 2008, 10:12:45 AM
I am a fan of them....and if one thinks they are an advantage ....why wouldn't a person use them under the allowable rules?
REgards,
Luckylefty
PS lately I have not used one!
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Open the door...see what's possible...and just walk right on through...that's how easy success feels..
Post by: Phoneman on October 20, 2008, 10:14:15 AM
Ps I did take mine off last week to try without it agian no change in scores but wrist was hurting again. Back on it goes this week.
Edited on 10/20/2008 10:15 AM
Post by: Dan Belcher on October 20, 2008, 10:20:18 AM
quote:You mean where's the skill in repeating your shots, hitting your target, maintaining ball speed, releasing the ball the same each time, playing the lanes correctly, choosing the right ball, making your spares, keeping a strong mental game, etc. etc.? Oh yeah, wrist braces completely take the skill out of the game...quote:
robby Revs are not allowed on the tour.
LOL, not at you but at the idea of them being allowed. I don't think anything on the bowling arm or wrist should be allowed. That is a big part of the game. If you can't keep your wrist/arm/elbow/etc steady or whatever, hit the gym, or don't even bowl. I don't use anything in my league. Some others have a whole mechanical arm on their bowling arm. It is ridiculous. All you basically gotta do is swing your arm back and then forward and let go. For the ones that cup your wrist automatically, where is the skill involved? LOL!
They keep your wrist in place. That doesn't make your game necessarily better or worse. They limit your options in how you can release the ball. The best, most powerful releases involve uncupping the wrist at the release point, which is impossible to do when wearing a brace, for example. Some people are simply too weak-wristed (no matter how much we try to improve our strength) to not have their wrist break back without a brace. Not to mention those who NEED to wear a wrist brace because bowling without one causes significant pain. They are also good at preventing future injury since it takes quite a bit of strain off an easily-damaged part of your body.
How about trying worrying more about your own game and less about others?
Post by: Necromancer on October 20, 2008, 10:24:20 AM
quote:
Well....they have always been allowed!
I am a fan of them....and if one thinks they are an advantage ....why wouldn't a person use them under the allowable rules?
REgards,
Luckylefty
PS lately I have not used one!
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Open the door...see what's possible...and just walk right on through...that's how easy success feels..
It's only an advantage to the person that can't control their wrist or have a weak wrist. I have neither. Therefore it would not be an advantage for me to use one. I'm just sick of people having the full mechanical wrist + elbow support + tape over their index finger to hook more or they say + all this other stuff.
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Brunswick Fury
Columbia 300 EPX T1
Storm X-Factor Vertigo
Hammer Black Widow
Lane #1 Cobalt Bomb Solid
Brunswick Quantum Helix
Brunswick Quantum Double Helix
Storm Recharge
Columbia 300 SuperBeast
Storm Hit Blue Pearl
Brunswick Target Spare Zone
Ebonite 14 Fun Ball
Averages: Fall/Winter Sub 2007 213.000 Fall/Winter Season 2006 206.467 2006-07 Year 213.067 2007 Tourney 178.029
2006-07 League Champions
2007-08 League Champions
2008-09 Three-Peat???
Hall of Fame BR Member Since: April 3, 2001
6'0" and ~210lbs @10% BF
Post by: scotts33 on October 20, 2008, 10:30:06 AM
Deadlift: 450lbs
Squat: 380lbs
Necro,
Make sure you don't use any wrist wraps, knee supports or weight lifting belts when you lift weights either.
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Scott
Post by: Necromancer on October 20, 2008, 10:34:53 AM
quote:
Bench: 250lbs
Deadlift: 450lbs
Squat: 380lbs
Necro,
Make sure you don't use any wrist wraps, knee supports or weight lifting belts when you lift weights either.
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Scott
LOL, well squatting 400lbs is a lot more intensive than rolling a 15lbs ball down a lane 60 ft hehe.
Also I only use knee supports on leg presses because I go up to 800-1000lbs.
Never use belts because my back is wider than a standard door hehe.
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Brunswick Fury
Columbia 300 EPX T1
Storm X-Factor Vertigo
Hammer Black Widow
Lane #1 Cobalt Bomb Solid
Brunswick Quantum Helix
Brunswick Quantum Double Helix
Storm Recharge
Columbia 300 SuperBeast
Storm Hit Blue Pearl
Brunswick Target Spare Zone
Ebonite 14 Fun Ball
Averages: Fall/Winter Sub 2007 213.000 Fall/Winter Season 2006 206.467 2006-07 Year 213.067 2007 Tourney 178.029
2006-07 League Champions
2007-08 League Champions
2008-09 Three-Peat???
Hall of Fame BR Member Since: April 3, 2001
6'0" and ~210lbs @10% BF
In seriousness, I was talking with bowlers in major tournaments or those on the pro tour. League bowlers are welcome to wear whatever they want since nothing major is on the line.
Edited on 10/20/2008 10:36 AM
Post by: scotts33 on October 20, 2008, 10:41:33 AM
quote:Pu$$y!!!
Also I only use knee supports on leg presses because I go up to 800-1000lbs.
quote:
In seriousness, I was talking with bowlers in major tournaments or those on the pro tour. League bowlers are welcome to wear whatever they want since nothing major is on the line.
Then, you'd need to remove about 1/2 of the best female bowlers in the world.
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Scott
Post by: LuckyLefty on October 20, 2008, 10:46:36 AM
You say....too easy with wrist brace then if they have not worked out wrist they should bowl worse.
So to be a bowler one must be a man(as stated by Scott33) and must endeavor to work out his wrist because you do.... In your opinion???
Regards,
Luckylefty
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Open the door...see what's possible...and just walk right on through...that's how easy success feels..
Post by: supernoodle on October 20, 2008, 10:57:18 AM
quote:
I am a fan of them....and if one thinks they are an advantage ....why wouldn't a person use them under the allowable rules?
Exactly! I find that people who whine about the use of wrist braces have usually had their backside handed to them by someone wearing a brace and they try to use that as a reason as to why they were beaten.
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I would have got away with it if it was not for those pesky kids (Behind my lane) and those blasted 10 pins.
Edited on 10/20/2008 10:59 AM
Post by: Necromancer on October 20, 2008, 11:02:31 AM
quote:quote:
I am a fan of them....and if one thinks they are an advantage ....why wouldn't a person use them under the allowable rules?
Exactly! I find that people who whine about the use of wrist braces have usually had their backside handed to them by someone wearing a brace and they try to use that as a reason as to why they were beaten.
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I would have got away with it if it was not for those pesky kids (Behind my lane) and those blasted 10 pins.
Edited on 10/20/2008 10:59 AM
LOL! Kind of heheh. The top substitute in our league average around 230 and uses a mechanical arm with a sick hook.
One of the top bowlers last year had a mechanical arm from hand to elbow and had a nasty hook (not good nasty, just bad nasty). The ball went right up the 2nd arrow and hooked like 2 boards at the end LOL. He wound up bowling the only 300 of the year. He beat the previous high game in the league by your's truly - 290. I don't wear nothing but a tee shirt and jeans but he gets to bring his towel and his mechanical arm and weak hook and take my money!?
Rant.
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Brunswick Fury
Columbia 300 EPX T1
Storm X-Factor Vertigo
Hammer Black Widow
Lane #1 Cobalt Bomb Solid
Brunswick Quantum Helix
Brunswick Quantum Double Helix
Storm Recharge
Columbia 300 SuperBeast
Storm Hit Blue Pearl
Brunswick Target Spare Zone
Ebonite 14 Fun Ball
Averages: Fall/Winter Sub 2007 213.000 Fall/Winter Season 2006 206.467 2006-07 Year 213.067 2007 Tourney 178.029
2006-07 League Champions
2007-08 League Champions
2008-09 Three-Peat???
Hall of Fame BR Member Since: April 3, 2001
6'0" and ~210lbs @10% BF
Post by: rockerbowler18 on October 20, 2008, 11:07:53 AM
quote:quote:quote:
I am a fan of them....and if one thinks they are an advantage ....why wouldn't a person use them under the allowable rules?
Exactly! I find that people who whine about the use of wrist braces have usually had their backside handed to them by someone wearing a brace and they try to use that as a reason as to why they were beaten.
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I would have got away with it if it was not for those pesky kids (Behind my lane) and those blasted 10 pins.
Edited on 10/20/2008 10:59 AM
LOL! Kind of heheh. The top substitute in our league average around 230 and uses a mechanical arm with a sick hook.
One of the top bowlers last year had a mechanical arm from hand to elbow and had a nasty hook (not good nasty, just bad nasty). The ball went right up the 2nd arrow and hooked like 2 boards at the end LOL. He wound up bowling the only 300 of the year. He beat the previous high game in the league by your's truly - 290. I don't wear nothing but a tee shirt and jeans but he gets to bring his towel and his mechanical arm and weak hook and take my money!?
Rant.
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Current Arsenal (http://"http://s132.photobucket.com/albums/q21/mikecart1/Bowling%20Arsenal/")
Brunswick Fury
Columbia 300 EPX T1
Storm X-Factor Vertigo
Hammer Black Widow
Lane #1 Cobalt Bomb Solid
Brunswick Quantum Helix
Brunswick Quantum Double Helix
Storm Recharge
Columbia 300 SuperBeast
Storm Hit Blue Pearl
Brunswick Target Spare Zone
Ebonite 14 Fun Ball
Averages: Fall/Winter Sub 2007 213.000 Fall/Winter Season 2006 206.467 2006-07 Year 213.067 2007 Tourney 178.029
2006-07 League Champions
2007-08 League Champions
2008-09 Three-Peat???
Hall of Fame BR Member Since: April 3, 2001
6'0" and ~210lbs @10% BF
I'm actually going to have to take Necromancer's side on this one. I don't complain about it or anything, but I think the only real reason to use one is if it's medically impossible for you to do it without one.
These complete robo arms, where you can instantly with the click of a button or flip of a switch, create more area, more/less hook, more/less tilt, more/less turn, etc. are kind of ridiculous. I have nothing against a wrist SUPPORT for someone who needs it, but a robo arm that does all of the work in wrist action for you is kind of over the top. Managing to keep the same wrist position shot after shot is a VERY tough skill to master, and I don't think $50 should be able to master it for you.
That being said, I do believe there are disadvantages to using them as well, and I certainly do not complain about this rule. There are many, many other rules that are higher on my list of ridiculous rules than this one.
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Rev Rate: 400-450 Speed: 16-17 mph
Current Average: 236
Post by: mmcfarland300 on October 20, 2008, 11:13:59 AM
quote:quote:
Bench: 250lbs
Deadlift: 450lbs
Squat: 380lbs
Necro,
Make sure you don't use any wrist wraps, knee supports or weight lifting belts when you lift weights either.
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Scott
LOL, well squatting 400lbs is a lot more intensive than rolling a 15lbs ball down a lane 60 ft hehe.
Also I only use knee supports on leg presses because I go up to 800-1000lbs.
Never use belts because my back is wider than a standard door hehe.
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Current Arsenal (http://"http://s132.photobucket.com/albums/q21/mikecart1/Bowling%20Arsenal/")
Brunswick Fury
Columbia 300 EPX T1
Storm X-Factor Vertigo
Hammer Black Widow
Lane #1 Cobalt Bomb Solid
Brunswick Quantum Helix
Brunswick Quantum Double Helix
Storm Recharge
Columbia 300 SuperBeast
Storm Hit Blue Pearl
Brunswick Target Spare Zone
Ebonite 14 Fun Ball
Averages: Fall/Winter Sub 2007 213.000 Fall/Winter Season 2006 206.467 2006-07 Year 213.067 2007 Tourney 178.029
2006-07 League Champions
2007-08 League Champions
2008-09 Three-Peat???
Hall of Fame BR Member Since: April 3, 2001
6'0" and ~210lbs @10% BF
In seriousness, I was talking with bowlers in major tournaments or those on the pro tour. League bowlers are welcome to wear whatever they want since nothing major is on the line.
Edited on 10/20/2008 10:36 AM
Last I checked 6'0 210 isn't wider than a standard door. Before you make such claims you should make sure that the pictures that are attached to you bowling arsenal are in private albums.
Post by: Necromancer on October 20, 2008, 11:21:34 AM
quote:quote:quote:
Bench: 250lbs
Deadlift: 450lbs
Squat: 380lbs
Necro,
Make sure you don't use any wrist wraps, knee supports or weight lifting belts when you lift weights either.
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Scott
LOL, well squatting 400lbs is a lot more intensive than rolling a 15lbs ball down a lane 60 ft hehe.
Also I only use knee supports on leg presses because I go up to 800-1000lbs.
Never use belts because my back is wider than a standard door hehe.
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Current Arsenal (http://"http://s132.photobucket.com/albums/q21/mikecart1/Bowling%20Arsenal/")
Brunswick Fury
Columbia 300 EPX T1
Storm X-Factor Vertigo
Hammer Black Widow
Lane #1 Cobalt Bomb Solid
Brunswick Quantum Helix
Brunswick Quantum Double Helix
Storm Recharge
Columbia 300 SuperBeast
Storm Hit Blue Pearl
Brunswick Target Spare Zone
Ebonite 14 Fun Ball
Averages: Fall/Winter Sub 2007 213.000 Fall/Winter Season 2006 206.467 2006-07 Year 213.067 2007 Tourney 178.029
2006-07 League Champions
2007-08 League Champions
2008-09 Three-Peat???
Hall of Fame BR Member Since: April 3, 2001
6'0" and ~210lbs @10% BF
In seriousness, I was talking with bowlers in major tournaments or those on the pro tour. League bowlers are welcome to wear whatever they want since nothing major is on the line.
Edited on 10/20/2008 10:36 AM
Last I checked 6'0 210 isn't wider than a standard door. Before you make such claims you should make sure that the pictures that are attached to you bowling arsenal are in private albums.
Don't take everything so serious. People like you will do nothing but cut others down because of your own insecurities
Anyways,
http://filebox.vt.edu/users/micarter/Unrestricted/1464522.gif
U MAD?
BTW, that was when I was 175lbs LOL. I got over 30lbs of muscle now.
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Current Arsenal (http://"http://s132.photobucket.com/albums/q21/mikecart1/Bowling%20Arsenal/")
Brunswick Fury
Columbia 300 EPX T1
Storm X-Factor Vertigo
Hammer Black Widow
Lane #1 Cobalt Bomb Solid
Brunswick Quantum Helix
Brunswick Quantum Double Helix
Storm Recharge
Columbia 300 SuperBeast
Storm Hit Blue Pearl
Brunswick Target Spare Zone
Ebonite 14 Fun Ball
Averages: Fall/Winter Sub 2007 213.000 Fall/Winter Season 2006 206.467 2006-07 Year 213.067 2007 Tourney 178.029
2006-07 League Champions
2007-08 League Champions
2008-09 Three-Peat???
Hall of Fame BR Member Since: April 3, 2001
6'0" and ~210lbs @10% BF
Post by: supernoodle on October 20, 2008, 11:57:16 AM
I mean how far do you want to go? Due to financial/health constraints I can neither bowl that often or afford much equipment. I use two balls (both other peoples cast off's) which do exactly the same thing and are condition specific (Smokin inferno & Exception).
Should I therfore throw a wobbly (Tantrum) because I am beaten by an inferior bowler who can afford loads of balls,lots of practice and a pair of shoes with interchangeable soles,which according to your logic should also be banned?
No,I just bowl and get on with it.I may not like the advantage that others get but its not their fault I'm poor and they are playing within the rules,and that my friends is the key.
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I would have got away with it if it was not for those pesky kids (Behind my lane) and those blasted 10 pins.
Post by: Medichal on October 20, 2008, 12:08:55 PM
Post by: BowlingWolf on October 20, 2008, 12:57:57 PM
It has nothing to do with strength or power.
While I am a smaller person than Necro, and much older, when I lifted weights on a regular basis (from about 15 to 30 years of age), I steadily weighed between 155 to 160 lbs and for a 5'9" frame, I topped off at bench pressing 300 lbs for 2 reps clean (without lifting the arse off the bench), dead-lifted 475 lbs, and squatted 450 lbs. Was also able to lift heavy in other exercises, such as curls, shoulder presses, clean and jerk, etc., which means that my wrists are pretty strong. However, when it comes to bowling, I've always felt tinges of pain in the back of my hand/wrist, and while I can bowl very well without the aid of a wrist support, I prefer to use one, because I don't want to suffer wrist ligament damage, which, needless to say, would severely hamper my ability to bowl.
So, in conclusion, wearing a wrist support does not make one less manly, and those that knock the use of such devices often do so because of pre-conceived prejudices.
Short story, a few years back while I was practicing one afternoon, a local bowler and his friends were watching from the snack bar as I was stringing high scoring games. Then, as I putting my gear away, these guys approached me and said that while what they had just witnessed was impressive, they all mentioned that the reason I must've bowled so well was because I was wearing a wrist device, and that if I wasn't wearing one I wouldn't come close to shooting what I had just shot.
They were pressing me to concede, saying that I probably just averaged about 250 or so for 5 games, and that there would be no way that I could come close to that without the "ringer" wrist device I was wearing.
I asked if they were willing to put their money where their mouth was, and they all hollered "hell, yeah!â€
They said to me, "if you can bowl 250 average or better without your wrist device, right here, right now, in front of us, we'll each give you $100.00, but if you're unable, you'll have to pay the 4 of us $100.00 each.â€
I asked them to show me their money first, which they did. I then said I'd agree provided they handed their money to the desk clerk, and if so, I'd take out some money out of the center's ATM, and let the same clerk hold my $400.00.
They easily agreed, thinking this was gonna be easy pickins for them. I proceeded to bowl 5 games without the wrist device, and lo and behold, what these clowns didn't know, is that without a wrist device I am able to stand on a particular spot longer, which makes me more accurate. While my ball doesn't belly as much without a wrist device on, it still has the same backend motion, which is where one optimally wants to see his ball move, and I proceed to shoot 1,335 over 5 games, easily eclipsing the mark necessary to "prove" my bowling prowess to those clowns, and calmly collected my money without any incident, giving Bill (the desk clerk) a $50.00 for being the "banker".
So, for those of you that doubt the "natural" ability of people who wear wrist braces, think twice before you make foregone conclusions, for they can be costly.
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Regards,
BowlingWolf
Post by: Steven on October 20, 2008, 01:04:39 PM
quote:
robby Revs are not allowed on the tour.
I think you're mistaken. This is from approved equipment on the PBA.com website:
" Ebonite
Full Registration: Balls, Apparel and Accessories - includes Robby's"
Post by: Necromancer on October 20, 2008, 01:14:49 PM
quote:
The use of a wrist support provides one with the ability to bowl without incurring wrist pain.
It has nothing to do with strength or power.
While I am a smaller person than Necro, and much older, when I lifted weights on a regular basis (from about 15 to 30 years of age), I steadily weighed between 155 to 160 lbs and for a 5'9" frame, I topped off at bench pressing 300 lbs for 2 reps clean (without lifting the arse off the bench), dead-lifted 475 lbs, and squatted 450 lbs. Was also able to lift heavy in other exercises, such as curls, shoulder presses, clean and jerk, etc., which means that my wrists are pretty strong. However, when it comes to bowling, I've always felt tinges of pain in the back of my hand/wrist, and while I can bowl very well without the aid of a wrist support, I prefer to use one, because I don't want to suffer wrist ligament damage, which, needless to say, would severely hamper my ability to bowl.
So, in conclusion, wearing a wrist support does not make one less manly, and those that knock the use of such devices often do so because of pre-conceived prejudices.
Short story, a few years back while I was practicing one afternoon, a local bowler and his friends were watching from the snack bar as I was stringing high scoring games. Then, as I putting my gear away, these guys approached me and said that while what they had just witnessed was impressive, they all mentioned that the reason I must've bowled so well was because I was wearing a wrist device, and that if I wasn't wearing one I wouldn't come close to shooting what I had just shot.
They were pressing me to concede, saying that I probably just averaged about 250 or so for 5 games, and that there would be no way that I could come close to that without the "ringer" wrist device I was wearing.
I asked if they were willing to put their money where their mouth was, and they all hollered "hell, yeah!â€
They said to me, "if you can bowl 250 average or better without your wrist device, right here, right now, in front of us, we'll each give you $100.00, but if you're unable, you'll have to pay the 4 of us $100.00 each.â€
I asked them to show me their money first, which they did. I then said I'd agree provided they handed their money to the desk clerk, and if so, I'd take out some money out of the center's ATM, and let the same clerk hold my $400.00.
They easily agreed, thinking this was gonna be easy pickins for them. I proceeded to bowl 5 games without the wrist device, and lo and behold, what these clowns didn't know, is that without a wrist device I am able to stand on a particular spot longer, which makes me more accurate. While my ball doesn't belly as much without a wrist device on, it still has the same backend motion, which is where one optimally wants to see his ball move, and I proceed to shoot 1,335 over 5 games, easily eclipsing the mark necessary to "prove" my bowling prowess to those clowns, and calmly collected my money without any incident, giving Bill (the desk clerk) a $50.00 for being the "banker".
So, for those of you that doubt the "natural" ability of people who wear wrist braces, think twice before you make foregone conclusions, for they can be costly.
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Regards,
BowlingWolf
LOL, that sounds like something to be made in a movie or something. Not doubting you. I can believe it just because I have been around it for about 20 years and know that the majority of those outside of bowling have no damn clue of what it takes to be good at bowling.
Good stuff though, although I am still against wrist supports for pros and tournament hehe
.BTW, awesome bench.
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Current Arsenal (http://"http://s132.photobucket.com/albums/q21/mikecart1/Bowling%20Arsenal/")
Brunswick Fury
Columbia 300 EPX T1
Storm X-Factor Vertigo
Hammer Black Widow
Lane #1 Cobalt Bomb Solid
Brunswick Quantum Helix
Brunswick Quantum Double Helix
Storm Recharge
Columbia 300 SuperBeast
Storm Hit Blue Pearl
Brunswick Target Spare Zone
Ebonite 14 Fun Ball
Averages: Fall/Winter Sub 2007 213.000 Fall/Winter Season 2006 206.467 2006-07 Year 213.067 2007 Tourney 178.029
2006-07 League Champions
2007-08 League Champions
2008-09 Three-Peat???
Hall of Fame BR Member Since: April 3, 2001
6'0" and ~210lbs @10% BF
Post by: BowlingWolf on October 20, 2008, 01:17:54 PM
quote:quote:
robby Revs are not allowed on the tour.
I think you're mistaken. This is from approved equipment on the PBA.com website:
" Ebonite
Full Registration: Balls, Apparel and Accessories - includes Robby's"
Yep, and here's the link to PBA Approved Equipment/Accessories (http://"http://www.pba.com/resources/equipmentSponsors.asp?Type=1").
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Regards,
BowlingWolf
Post by: Dan Belcher on October 20, 2008, 01:20:01 PM
quote:Again, everybody has access to them, and if they actually make that big a difference and magically make your game better, why aren't you wearing one? Honestly, they create almost as many problems as they solve. Hell, I would actually prefer to bowl without one, but I'm not strong enough and it puts too much strain on my wrist and over a long set causes pain. But if I beat you, I'm sure it's because I have the wrist brace and not just because I just flat out bowled better than you, right? Grow up and find better things to complain about, or better yet, go work on improving your game so you don't get beaten by those "cheaters" who use wrist braces!
Good stuff though, although I am still against wrist supports for pros and tournament hehe
Post by: scotts33 on October 20, 2008, 01:24:20 PM
quote:
Grow up and find better things to complain about, or better yet, go work on improving your game so you don't get beaten by those "cheaters" who use wrist braces!
Nothing to say about "cheater" bowling balls? Everybody has access to them also. <---- that was meant towards Necro not Dan B.
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Scott
Edited on 10/20/2008 1:24 PM
Post by: BowlingWolf on October 20, 2008, 01:29:08 PM
Thanks for the accolade.
Incidentally, I stopped lifting weights because I do love bowling so much.
Weight lifting was making me too tight, even with lots of stretching. So now I just do lots of calisthenics (push-ups, pull-ups, sit-ups, lots of heavy bag hitting, and religious elliptical bike work).
To be more specific, I stopped lifting because of what you mentioned about your back: lats getting wider from exercise. Developing such a shape prevents/hampers a good back swing (effectively shortens it). The upside to a short back swing though, is increased accuracy, so I don’t mind the still visible trade-off after all of these years.
As for you not liking to see pros or high-ranking amateurs wearing a wrist brace, that’s your thing, but I respectfully disagree for the aforementioned “health†reasons.
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Regards,
BowlingWolf
Post by: Necromancer on October 20, 2008, 01:29:32 PM
quote:quote:Again, everybody has access to them, and if they actually make that big a difference and magically make your game better, why aren't you wearing one? Honestly, they create almost as many problems as they solve. Hell, I would actually prefer to bowl without one, but I'm not strong enough and it puts too much strain on my wrist and over a long set causes pain. But if I beat you, I'm sure it's because I have the wrist brace and not just because I just flat out bowled better than you, right? Grow up and find better things to complain about, or better yet, go work on improving your game so you don't get beaten by those "cheaters" who use wrist braces!
Good stuff though, although I am still against wrist supports for pros and tournament hehe
I used to use them until I saw they only weaken my wrist and makes me neglect form. Then I moved to just the strap over the wrist itself. But after awhile that was a waste too. Now I am free to cup the ball and let it go and watch it snap back for strike after strike. I don't use one for the same reason why I don't use a weight lifting belt - it makes you weaker.
If you beat me, then its all good. I never said I was the best, I just said I was good and would not get dominated by anyone on here.
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Post by: Phoneman on October 20, 2008, 01:32:55 PM
quote:quote:
robby Revs are not allowed on the tour.
I think you're mistaken. This is from approved equipment on the PBA.com website:
" Ebonite
Full Registration: Balls, Apparel and Accessories - includes Robby's"
Post by: Necromancer on October 20, 2008, 01:33:48 PM
quote:
Necro,
Thanks for the accolade.
Incidentally, I stopped lifting weights because I do love bowling so much.
Weight lifting was making me too tight, even with lots of stretching. So now I just do lots of calisthenics (push-ups, pull-ups, sit-ups, lots of heavy bag hitting, and religious elliptical bike work).
To be more specific, I stopped lifting because of what you mentioned about your back: lats getting wider from exercise. Developing such a shape prevents/hampers a good back swing (effectively shortens it). The upside to a short back swing though, is increased accuracy, so I don’t mind the still visible trade-off after all of these years.
As for you not liking to see pros or high-ranking amateurs wearing a wrist brace, that’s your thing, but I respectfully disagree for the aforementioned “health†reasons.
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BowlingWolf
LOL, me and you are the same except I have decided on the opposite choice. I have distanced myself from bowling and just do it for fun while I focus on getting bigger and training. I gotta keep my workouts 2 days apart from Wed league because of the reasons you said. If my back or shoulders are too tight, then I bowl pretty crappy or it just feels like hell releasing the ball. And yeah the wider I have gotten, the less fluid my whole form has become. It is the choice I made and have accepted that I won't get much better the bigger I get just because my mechanics are going more and more off.
I didn't think of the backswing issue haha. Maybe that is why I keep feeling more uncomfortable during my swing and release. All I know is to not deadlift the night before bowling night LOL!
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Post by: scotts33 on October 20, 2008, 01:37:10 PM
quote:
If you beat me, then its all good. I never said I was the best, I just said I was good and would not get dominated by anyone on here.
Me thinks there are many on BR.com who could dominate you Necro....just think that Jeff Carter posts here reularily as well as riggs, Steve Richter and a host of other great bowlers who have the game and the records to show they could take most of us including you to the cleaners. Wrist support or none.
BTW....I'd put Kim Adler up against you with her wrist support any day of the week. She used to post here regularily before the Ladies Tour went down.
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Post by: rvmark on October 20, 2008, 01:38:37 PM
quote:quote:
Grow up and find better things to complain about, or better yet, go work on improving your game so you don't get beaten by those "cheaters" who use wrist braces!
Nothing to say about "cheater" bowling balls? Everybody has access to them also. <---- that was meant towards Necro not Dan B.
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Scott
Edited on 10/20/2008 1:24 PM
I was thinking the same thing Scott, I have actually been LMAO with this thread.
Mark
Post by: bowlerdawg on October 20, 2008, 01:39:38 PM
UNLIKE OTHER PEOPLE WHO THINK THEY HAVE NO PLACE IN BOWLING I HAD A SEVERE WRIST INJURY AND I NEED TO USE ONE IN ORDER TO BOWL, AND IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH STRENGTH.
SO FOR ALL YOU PEOPLE WHO HAVE NEVER EXPERIENCED PHYSCIAL TRAMA IN YOUR LIFE SHUT UP, CAUSE SOME OF US HAVE.
OH WAIT I GUESS I COULD NOT USE IT AND INJURE MY WRIST EVEN MORE AND GO TO THE HOSPITAL AND RACK UP THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS IN MEDICAL BILLS ALL FOR THE SAKE OF BEING MACHO
GIVE ME BREAK
P.S. I WILL TAKE YOUR MONEY IF YOU COME TO HIGH POINT LOUD MOUTH
Post by: Necromancer on October 20, 2008, 01:47:50 PM
quote:quote:
If you beat me, then its all good. I never said I was the best, I just said I was good and would not get dominated by anyone on here.
Me thinks there are many on BR.com who could dominate you Necro....just think that Jeff Carter posts here reularily as well as riggs, Steve Richter and a host of other great bowlers who have the game and the records to show they could take most of us including you to the cleaners. Wrist support or none.
BTW....I'd put Kim Adler up against you with her wrist support any day of the week. She used to post here regularily before the Ladies Tour went down.
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Scott
LOL, then the real question then is what is 'domination' defined as? On any given lane, I will give any pro a 279 as a high-extreme average. This assumes they will not put any serious 10-11 strike strings together and will get 9/ sometime during the game. If they are doing that which is possible but unlikely over and over, I will be able to bowl 220-230 consistently. Now maybe that 40-50 pin win is domination to you guys, but it is no different than the games you see on Sunday on ESPN. Rarely are games won by 1-2 pins. Also due to the way bowling is scoring in general, anyone on any given day can beat anyone else.
This isn't bragging, this is reality. Bowling is the only sport that has a limit on score. Because of that, IMO, no 200 average bowler can really dominate any other 200 average bowler.
If anyone disagrees, I can break it down mathematically or statistically. I'm a nuclear engineer afterall!
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Storm Hit Blue Pearl
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Ebonite 14 Fun Ball
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Post by: scotts33 on October 20, 2008, 02:00:40 PM
quote:
LOL, then the real question then is what is 'domination' defined as?
One that gets beat regularily and I'd take any of the bowlers that I mentioned over you. That would being dominated. Semantics.
I could care less if you're Mr. Beefcake or a Nuclear Physicist....you don't have to be Mr. Big Guy on Campus to be a good bowler therefore bowlers with wrist supports can be great bowlers if they have their hearts in the right place.....it's NOT about who has the strongest wrist. Bowling is not power lifting.
It's NOT about I am BIG guy so I should dominate.
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Scott
Post by: AngloBowler on October 21, 2008, 09:34:54 AM
quote:
but I'm not strong enough and it puts too much strain on my wrist and over a long set causes pain. But if I beat you, I'm sure it's because I have the wrist brace and not just because I just flat out bowled better than you, right?
If you're not strong enough without the wrist support, and you beat me, then you have beat me because of the wrist support, no? I'm not saying you shouldn't use it, as the rules currently stand.
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Reporting from England
Post by: Badger856 on October 21, 2008, 10:01:11 AM
I have using a wrist support for many years now due to wrist problems. Oddly enough it was the weight lifting that produced some of the wrist problems. Like Scott33 implied, you don't have to be a big, strong person to avoid wearing a wrist support. I consider myself a strong guy but there is no way I can bowl three games without pain. Bowling isn't about being macho, save that crap for the beach. Bowling is knocking down the most pins and that is all there is to the game.
Post by: Rileybowler on October 21, 2008, 10:09:03 AM
quote:quote:
Well....they have always been allowed!
I am a fan of them....and if one thinks they are an advantage ....why wouldn't a person use them under the allowable rules?
REgards,
Luckylefty
PS lately I have not used one!
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It's only an advantage to the person that can't control their wrist or have a weak wrist. I have neither. Therefore it would not be an advantage for me to use one. I'm just sick of people having the full mechanical wrist + elbow support + tape over their index finger to hook more or they say + all this other stuff.
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If you are going to take away wrist supports how about braces or wraps on legs or knees and how about shoes that you can change soles on and how about rossin and anything else other than a bowling ball
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Post by: Necromancer on October 21, 2008, 10:31:32 AM
1) I was talking about wrist supports in the PBA tour (like Reyes, etc.) and more so the entire mechanical arm. I mean if your wrist, elbow, and everything in between is screwed up, then don't bowl. I will get back to why I say this in a sec.
2) If you got a legitamite issue, they use a wrist strap, or strengthen the wrist with exercise. The majority of those with wrist problems, don't need an entire arm that you can adjust angle and release points. That is not fair and to say it is needed is just ridiculous.
3) Let's compare to basketball. Like bowling, much of the shot in basketball is based on the release. Don't doubt me because I played up to college competitvely. They got wrist supports and release tools for basketball like bowling. They make your shot and release very consistent. Of course like bowling, there are other things involved like jump, body control, coordination, etc., but like bowling, there is a lot of skill in the release which is helped considerably by both wrist support tools.
4) To say why not do away with everything else? Well I am talking about what affects the ball the most. The shoes don't matter because I can throw the same ball at a stop so put me in boots and ice skates and I will still bowl strikes. Rossin is not equal to a mechanical arm. Neither is tape, etc.
5) Overall, if you got wrist problems you got these choices IMO:
-Rehab your wrist (my double pro had surgery to repair all the liagments in his wrist, but still doesn't wear a wrist support at all)
-Get stronger
-Change your style (he used to hook from coast to coast, now he is much smoother)
-Change your bowling hand (i've seen many do this)
-If necessary, just wear a wrist support that keeps the wrist straight. Having a mechanical arm with angle control, etc. is not required to protect your wrist. It is just your decision because you fail to do it naturally without one.
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Post by: BowlingWolf on October 21, 2008, 10:57:52 AM
quote:
If necessary, just wear a wrist support that keeps the wrist straight. Having a mechanical arm with angle control, etc. is not required to protect your wrist. It is just your decision because you fail to do it naturally without one
Necro,
I am trying to see things your way and give you the benefit of the doubt, but quite frankly, your argument that a "mechanical" arm (not just a wrist support) gives one an unfair advantage because it enables "angle control", which I assume you mean accuracy, doesn't make any horse sense to me. If anything, having gadgets attached top to bottom on the bowling arm will only restrict a free pendulum and impede accuracy.
And, to reiterate, wearing a wrist support has nothing to do with how strong one is—it is worn for the sake of comfort and peace of mind, for it alleviates possible injury.
To say that one shouldn't bowl if they can't/won't roll a bowling ball without wrist support portrays an attitude of superiority, and, invariably, practitioners of such an attitude usually get their just due when they encounter those that they perceive weak.
Let your bowling do the talking and free your mind of prejudices.
And, incidentally, many great keglers, quite a few of them PBA Hall of Famers (including none other than the Great Earl Anthony) have worn wrist supports—would you discredit them as well?
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Regards,
BowlingWolf
Post by: BowlingWolf on October 21, 2008, 11:04:07 AM
quote:
If necessary, just wear a wrist support that keeps the wrist straight. Having a mechanical arm with angle control, etc. is not required to protect your wrist. It is just your decision because you fail to do it naturally without one
Necro,
I am trying to see things your way and give you the benefit of the doubt, but quite frankly, your argument that a "mechanical" arm (not just a wrist support) gives one an unfair advantage because it enables "angle control", which I assume you mean accuracy, doesn't make any horse sense to me. If anything, having gadgets attached top to bottom on the bowling arm will only restrict a free pendulum and impede accuracy.
And, to reiterate, wearing a wrist support has nothing to do with how strong one is—it is worn for the sake of comfort and peace of mind, for it alleviates possible injury.
To say that one shouldn't bowl if they can't/won't roll a bowling ball without wrist support portrays an attitude of superiority, and, invariably, practitioners of such an attitude usually get their just due when they encounter those that they perceive weak.
Let your bowling do the talking and free your mind of prejudices.
And, incidentally, many great keglers, quite a few of them PBA Hall of Famers (including none other than the Great Earl Anthony, and Jim Godman, known on the Tour as "Tarzan", for he was one of the strongest persons to ever have rolled a bowling ball) have worn wrist supports—would you discredit them as well?
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Regards,
BowlingWolf
Edited on 10/21/2008 11:05 AM
Post by: SleepOnIce on October 21, 2008, 12:24:56 PM
I am beginning to develop a serious man-crush.
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BLARGH
Post by: scotts33 on October 21, 2008, 12:27:08 PM
quote:
Necro, please teach me to be you. I mean you are insanely smart (like you said), you played basketball competitively until college. You are a 213 average bowler who can not be dominated by a professional, and you are a bodybuilding machine who is too manly to use anything other than brute force to obtain your goals.
I am beginning to develop a serious man-crush.
Ahhhhhhh, I've got it pchee is back! Can Necro hook the lane and take home all the hot chicks????
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Scott
Post by: SleepOnIce on October 21, 2008, 12:30:30 PM
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BLARGH
Post by: Dan Belcher on October 21, 2008, 12:38:07 PM
quote:I bowled without one for years until it started to really worry me when my wrist would get a little sore, and I didn't want to risk long-term damage. A couple months ago, I took it off just for the hell of it in practice and fired back-to-back 230+ games. My ball roll is different without it on (more tilt, a little lower revs), but I can certainly bowl well without one if I absolutely have to. So if I bowl well, no, it's not because of the wrist support. That's only one small factor of the much bigger equation.
I would also say to Dan:quote:
but I'm not strong enough and it puts too much strain on my wrist and over a long set causes pain. But if I beat you, I'm sure it's because I have the wrist brace and not just because I just flat out bowled better than you, right?
If you're not strong enough without the wrist support, and you beat me, then you have beat me because of the wrist support, no? I'm not saying you shouldn't use it, as the rules currently stand.
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Reporting from England
Post by: BowlingWolf on October 21, 2008, 12:39:51 PM
quote:quote:I bowled without one for years until it started to really worry me when my wrist would get a little sore, and I didn't want to risk long-term damage. A couple months ago, I took it off just for the hell of it in practice and fired back-to-back 230+ games. My ball roll is different without it on (more tilt, a little lower revs), but I can certainly bowl well without one if I absolutely have to. So if I bowl well, no, it's not because of the wrist support. That's only one small factor of the much bigger equation.
I would also say to Dan:quote:
but I'm not strong enough and it puts too much strain on my wrist and over a long set causes pain. But if I beat you, I'm sure it's because I have the wrist brace and not just because I just flat out bowled better than you, right?
If you're not strong enough without the wrist support, and you beat me, then you have beat me because of the wrist support, no? I'm not saying you shouldn't use it, as the rules currently stand.
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Reporting from England
My sentiments exactly!
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Regards,
BowlingWolf
Post by: mrbowlingnut on October 21, 2008, 01:08:58 PM
Other guys were benching the same weight were in the 80 lb range, I still have good sized arms and puny wrists lol I get carpal tunnel pain from going the whole set without my crutch opps mean brace, so to each his own and guess what i could care less if i ever win anything major.
Post by: Necromancer on October 21, 2008, 02:29:39 PM
quote:quote:I bowled without one for years until it started to really worry me when my wrist would get a little sore, and I didn't want to risk long-term damage. A couple months ago, I took it off just for the hell of it in practice and fired back-to-back 230+ games. My ball roll is different without it on (more tilt, a little lower revs), but I can certainly bowl well without one if I absolutely have to. So if I bowl well, no, it's not because of the wrist support. That's only one small factor of the much bigger equation.
I would also say to Dan:quote:
but I'm not strong enough and it puts too much strain on my wrist and over a long set causes pain. But if I beat you, I'm sure it's because I have the wrist brace and not just because I just flat out bowled better than you, right?
If you're not strong enough without the wrist support, and you beat me, then you have beat me because of the wrist support, no? I'm not saying you shouldn't use it, as the rules currently stand.
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Reporting from England
That is my point! The reaction or whatever you want to call it is different. Not saying you will not bowl good without it, but with it, there is clearly a difference!
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Post by: Dan Belcher on October 21, 2008, 02:31:26 PM
No matter what you want to believe, THE WRIST BRACE DOES NOT THROW THE BALL FOR ME. Sorry to burst your bubble.
Post by: Necromancer on October 21, 2008, 02:32:22 PM
quote:
With his stats and manliness he doesn't need to hook the ball to impress all the gorgeous women. They just sense it in the air and jump him.
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BLARGH
Actually I am not like many others that seek the latest ball that can hook the most. I am more into the mid-range balls that are more consistent to the pocket. Those with aggressive coverstocks like Storm's Masters Line don't fit my goals or my game. It looks pretty until I leave a bunch of splits or hook brooklyn. I polish all my balls.
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Storm Recharge
Columbia 300 SuperBeast
Storm Hit Blue Pearl
Brunswick Target Spare Zone
Ebonite 14 Fun Ball
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Post by: Necromancer on October 21, 2008, 02:35:12 PM
quote:
There's a difference, but is it that difference necessarily better or worse? I know a couple people who roll the ball a lot better without a brace, but wear one because of wrist problems.
No matter what you want to believe, THE WRIST BRACE DOES NOT THROW THE BALL FOR ME. Sorry to burst your bubble.
Argghhhh!!! I can't get through to you all of what I'm saying. Ok here is the scenario I don't like (went from broad description to detailed situation LOL JESUS!):
-Guy bowling with me is not getting a good reaction. His ball is hooking too much.
-He is of course wearing a mechanical arm (those $50 ones that bend at the wrist and lock along with tilt control).
-He is fed up and with a couple of clicks to the robot on his arm his ball is now going much straighter and into the pocket.
-Next game he goes from a 180 game to a cruisin' 240 game.
-He goes, "it's all in this baby!"
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Lane #1 Cobalt Bomb Solid
Brunswick Quantum Helix
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Storm Recharge
Columbia 300 SuperBeast
Storm Hit Blue Pearl
Brunswick Target Spare Zone
Ebonite 14 Fun Ball
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2007-08 League Champions
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Post by: Dan Belcher on October 21, 2008, 02:46:17 PM
(And where'd he find one for $50? Mine cost $70)
If my ball's hooking too early, I adjust my release itself, not my wrist brace settings, to create more axis rotation for extra skid through the front part of the lane. Or, if I am so inclined, I can change balls to something weaker that gives me better length. I'm guessing that's something else that should be banned, right? Because then it's "all in the ball." Your logic is just as faulty as someone who would say that wrist braces have no effect whatsoever.
Post by: Necromancer on October 21, 2008, 02:50:06 PM
quote:
Because of course it's impossible to change your release without one of those. Get real.
(And where'd he find one for $50? Mine cost $70)
If my ball's hooking too early, I adjust my release itself, not my wrist brace settings, to create more axis rotation for extra skid through the front part of the lane. Or, if I am so inclined, I can change balls to something weaker that gives me better length. I'm guessing that's something else that should be banned, right? Because then it's "all in the ball." Your logic is just as faulty as someone who would say that wrist braces have no effect whatsoever.
Ok, better example. I can take a Black Widow and use it for every shot in a night - strike(hook) and spare (straight). I do this by changing the wrist of my shot - manually. I see league bowlers that adjust their mechanical arms or take it off completely and let their wrist break for the spare. This proves that they have no control at all in their wrist position on release.
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Lane #1 Cobalt Bomb Solid
Brunswick Quantum Helix
Brunswick Quantum Double Helix
Storm Recharge
Columbia 300 SuperBeast
Storm Hit Blue Pearl
Brunswick Target Spare Zone
Ebonite 14 Fun Ball
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2008-09 Three-Peat???
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Post by: Kid Jete on October 21, 2008, 02:51:36 PM
I realize you come on here and, as far as I can tell, don't purposely piss people off, yet you're pretty good at it. Sometimes it's not always a bad idea to step back and think about what you are going to say before you say it. I read through this thread and all it sounds like you're doing is making excuses, whining and trying to FIGJAM your entire life when you get the chance.
Post by: Dan Belcher on October 21, 2008, 02:57:25 PM
quote:Or just do like me and throw a spare ball. Take changing your release 180 degrees out of the equation and you remove a big chance for a mistake. I CAN throw the ball completely end over end (even wearing my wrist brace without adjusting it at all). It's not that difficult. However, since I'm not as used to that release, I'm not as comfortable with my accuracy, and therefore don't do it since I'm much more accurate with my regular release. I switched from using the same ball for my spares to using a plastic ball two years ago, and now I make roughly 90-95% of my single pin spares as a result. It was probably in the 80-85% range before because I simply am not as accurate when I completely and totally change my release rather than just tweaking it from the norm.
Ok, better example. I can take a Black Widow and use it for every shot in a night - strike(hook) and spare (straight). I do this by changing the wrist of my shot - manually. I see league bowlers that adjust their mechanical arms or take it off completely and let their wrist break for the spare. This proves that they have no control at all in their wrist position on release.
I think you just see a ton of people who aren't that good who use wrist braces and luck into good scores, and you're just too busy FIGJAMing yourself to worry about anything else.
Post by: Gazoo on October 22, 2008, 08:37:38 AM
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Post by: Phoneman on October 22, 2008, 09:02:06 AM
Post by: BowlingWolf on October 22, 2008, 09:14:58 AM
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Being manly is not about how big you are or how hard you throw the ball. Ask Norm Duke.
Or Dick Weber, Pete Weber, Parker Bohn III, Amleto Monacelli, Dick Ritger, Joe Berardi, Dave Ferraro, Marshall Holman, George Pappas, just to name a few.
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Regards,
BowlingWolf
Post by: LuckyLefty on October 22, 2008, 09:49:44 AM
There are also many woman who do to anatomy(they have much more muscle on their outer forearm) and lack of relative upper body strength need wrist braces to hook the ball easily!
I believe the operative word for some users of wrist braces is consistency.
I know in my case I hook it more WITHOUT a wrist brace I got a wrist brace to improve my directness on the left side! It helped!
I know many woman who bowl dramatically better with a wrist brace and even believe some of the woman pros who switch back and forth look much better with them.
REgards,
Luckylefty
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Open the door...see what's possible...and just walk right on through...that's how easy success feels..
Post by: Necromancer on October 22, 2008, 09:55:09 AM
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There are many bowlers with big muscles and smaller wrists by genetics.
There are also many woman who do to anatomy(they have much more muscle on their outer forearm) and lack of relative upper body strength need wrist braces to hook the ball easily!
I believe the operative word for some users of wrist braces is consistency.
I know in my case I hook it more WITHOUT a wrist brace I got a wrist brace to improve my directness on the left side! It helped!
I know many woman who bowl dramatically better with a wrist brace and even believe some of the woman pros who switch back and forth look much better with them.
REgards,
Luckylefty
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Open the door...see what's possible...and just walk right on through...that's how easy success feels..
My wrist is only 7" around. So I know what you are saying. I can't change that. Anyways... enough arguing
TODAY IS MY BIRTHDAY!!!
25 and halfway to HELL!
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Storm Recharge
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Post by: BowlingWolf on October 22, 2008, 10:16:49 AM
With the passage of time, invariably, erroneous preconceived notions are given way to exploration and reasoning, resulting in diametrically altered views heretofore impossible due to obstinate youth.
As the old adage goes, “youth is wasted on the young.â€
May you begin to see the world and everything in it with renewed resolve.
Wishing you a very happy birthday!
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Regards,
BowlingWolf
Post by: Borincano on October 22, 2008, 10:32:18 AM
I wish they did not allow the new golf clubs in Golf. We should be using the clubs Ben Hogan used during his time of playing golf. Golf clubs have defined more the game of golf than a simple wrist support has defined bowling.
I use a wrist support because of a very bad wrist sprain that I had 3 years ago and still has not healed completely. Is a matter of choice just like in golf.
Pete Weber use to use a wrist support for awhile. Should his wins with the wrist support be follow by an asterisk. Go figure.
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There are many bowlers with big muscles and smaller wrists by genetics.
There are also many woman who do to anatomy(they have much more muscle on their outer forearm) and lack of relative upper body strength need wrist braces to hook the ball easily!
I believe the operative word for some users of wrist braces is consistency.
I know in my case I hook it more WITHOUT a wrist brace I got a wrist brace to improve my directness on the left side! It helped!
I know many woman who bowl dramatically better with a wrist brace and even believe some of the woman pros who switch back and forth look much better with them.
REgards,
Luckylefty
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Open the door...see what's possible...and just walk right on through...that's how easy success feels..
My wrist is only 7" around. So I know what you are saying. I can't change that. Anyways... enough arguing
TODAY IS MY BIRTHDAY!!!
25 and halfway to HELL!
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Current Arsenal (http://"http://s132.photobucket.com/albums/q21/mikecart1/Bowling%20Arsenal/")
Brunswick Fury
Columbia 300 EPX T1
Storm X-Factor Vertigo
Hammer Black Widow
Lane #1 Cobalt Bomb Solid
Brunswick Quantum Helix
Brunswick Quantum Double Helix
Storm Recharge
Columbia 300 SuperBeast
Storm Hit Blue Pearl
Brunswick Target Spare Zone
Ebonite 14 Fun Ball
Averages: Fall/Winter Sub 2007 213.000 Fall/Winter Season 2006 206.467 2006-07 Year 213.067 2007 Tourney 178.029
2006-07 League Champions
2007-08 League Champions
2008-09 Three-Peat???
Hall of Fame BR Member Since: April 3, 2001
6'0" and ~210lbs @10% BF
Post by: mrbowlingnut on October 22, 2008, 10:55:40 AM
I agree the fancy braces add tilt and cupping, I prefer the striker or Mongoose style which helps my weaker wrists project the ball down too a consistent break point.
So you could have an entire thread on the mechanical arm style brace versus the braces just for support.
Btw you are 210lbs Necromancer and only benching 225 lbs, I am fat and out of shape and still put up that much. I was 168 lbs when my warm up sets were 225 lbs, I am now a fat pig at 262 lbs so to me that is not even my own weight hahaha
So your FIGJAM on your body is funny, it was funny to me watching these guys come work out and worry about body fat ratio's and such. I also leg pressed 1050 lb's probably why my flipping knees are so shot now, so the long term effects of too much body punishment are not worth the outcome.
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There are many bowlers with big muscles and smaller wrists by genetics.
There are also many woman who do to anatomy(they have much more muscle on their outer forearm) and lack of relative upper body strength need wrist braces to hook the ball easily!
I believe the operative word for some users of wrist braces is consistency.
I know in my case I hook it more WITHOUT a wrist brace I got a wrist brace to improve my directness on the left side! It helped!
I know many woman who bowl dramatically better with a wrist brace and even believe some of the woman pros who switch back and forth look much better with them.
REgards,
Luckylefty
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Open the door...see what's possible...and just walk right on through...that's how easy success feels..
Post by: Rick Wunder on October 22, 2008, 01:37:14 PM
Don't ever get old!
I know you have a long way to go, but as you've aptly pointed out, ad nauseum, on this forum, you are apparently experiencing birthdays, which tells me that you are aging.
To paraphrase another BR poster:
You're screwed!
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Post by: Necromancer on October 22, 2008, 01:50:18 PM
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I would offer this one piece of advice to Necromancer:
Don't ever get old!
I know you have a long way to go, but as you've aptly pointed out, ad nauseum, on this forum, you are apparently experiencing birthdays, which tells me that you are aging.
To paraphrase another BR poster:
You're screwed!
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RW (THB)
Well that is why I hope I die when I am 50. I couldn't deal with the depression of seeing myself do fewer and fewer things when I get older and older. I would go insane.
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Current Arsenal (http://"http://s132.photobucket.com/albums/q21/mikecart1/Bowling%20Arsenal/")
Brunswick Fury
Columbia 300 EPX T1
Storm X-Factor Vertigo
Hammer Black Widow
Lane #1 Cobalt Bomb Solid
Brunswick Quantum Helix
Brunswick Quantum Double Helix
Storm Recharge
Columbia 300 SuperBeast
Storm Hit Blue Pearl
Brunswick Target Spare Zone
Ebonite 14 Fun Ball
Averages: Fall/Winter Sub 2007 213.000 Fall/Winter Season 2006 206.467 2006-07 Year 213.067 2007 Tourney 178.029
2006-07 League Champions
2007-08 League Champions
2008-09 Three-Peat???
Hall of Fame BR Member Since: April 3, 2001
6'0" and ~210lbs @10% BF
Post by: BowlingWolf on October 22, 2008, 05:18:47 PM
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Well that is why I hope I die when I am 50. I couldn't deal with the depression of seeing myself do fewer and fewer things when I get older and older. I would go insane
Aw come on now, it ain't that bad. For one thing, I ain't even close to "bending it" yet, if you know what I mean, and until then I plan on using it and having lots of fun.
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Regards,
BowlingWolf
Post by: Pozz on October 22, 2008, 05:22:29 PM
Post by: BowlingWolf on October 22, 2008, 05:32:51 PM
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I don't thnk wrist supports should be allowed either. If you have some sort of medical issue with your wrist use some tape and wrap it up. If you can't make the ball hook with your own wrist, tough for you. If you have a weak wrist so be it.
Brilliant!
FWIW, Making the ball hook requires the use of the fingers properly positioned, but whatever rocks your boat.
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Regards,
BowlingWolf
Post by: mrbowlingnut on October 22, 2008, 05:56:26 PM
quote:quote:
I would offer this one piece of advice to Necromancer:
Don't ever get old!
I know you have a long way to go, but as you've aptly pointed out, ad nauseum, on this forum, you are apparently experiencing birthdays, which tells me that you are aging.
To paraphrase another BR poster:
You're screwed!
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RW (THB)
Well that is why I hope I die when I am 50. I couldn't deal with the depression of seeing myself do fewer and fewer things when I get older and older. I would go insane.
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Current Arsenal (http://"http://s132.photobucket.com/albums/q21/mikecart1/Bowling%20Arsenal/")
Brunswick Fury
Columbia 300 EPX T1
Storm X-Factor Vertigo
Hammer Black Widow
Lane #1 Cobalt Bomb Solid
Brunswick Quantum Helix
Brunswick Quantum Double Helix
Storm Recharge
Columbia 300 SuperBeast
Storm Hit Blue Pearl
Brunswick Target Spare Zone
Ebonite 14 Fun Ball
Averages: Fall/Winter Sub 2007 213.000 Fall/Winter Season 2006 206.467 2006-07 Year 213.067 2007 Tourney 178.029
2006-07 League Champions
2007-08 League Champions
2008-09 Three-Peat???
Hall of Fame BR Member Since: April 3, 2001
6'0" and ~210lbs @10% BF
Post by: rvmark on October 22, 2008, 07:04:14 PM
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I don't thnk wrist supports should be allowed either. If you have some sort of medical issue with your wrist use some tape and wrap it up. If you can't make the ball hook with your own wrist, tough for you. If you have a weak wrist so be it.
I don't currently use a wrist support, I had to 2 years ago for a month and quite honestly it hampered my ability to throw the ball, so I for one do not think just having a wrist brace allows you to throw the ball perfectly. I have no problem with someone using a wrist brace, I would not want to have to tape my wrist every time I bowled if I had weak wrists. With your attitude that would mean that no athlete should use a knee brace or ankle brace.
Bottom line is let the people use wrist braces and lighten up.
Mark
Edited on 10/22/2008 9:55 PM
Post by: LuckyLefty on October 27, 2008, 12:29:48 PM
I believe it regards the need for variability of release on today's MANY conditions. I don't know how that applies to a Robbie's or Pro Release(no longer approved robo arm).
BUT...I loved watching the incredibly beautiful form of Randy Pederson and Marshall Holman(two of my favorites to watch) just throwing the ball so firmly, consistently and beautifully in the highlight tapes from the past leading to this show while wearing a wrist brace!
I again say MANY of the woman look much better with wrist braces to me. For example I like Carolyn Dorin Ballard's style better with a wrist brace.
I think Cara Honeychurch, and Linda Barnes all look great with a wrist brace on also!
REgards,
Luckylefty
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Open the door...see what's possible...and just walk right on through...that's how easy success feels..
Post by: Stan on October 27, 2008, 12:50:00 PM