Post by: ClutchClay on July 07, 2003, 03:47:08 AM
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Regards, ClutchClay
Post by: ClutchClay on July 07, 2003, 06:51:11 PM
I wish I had not deleted the show from my TiVo already so that I could double-check.
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Regards, ClutchClay
Post by: mumzie on July 07, 2003, 11:10:49 PM
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Bowling? Of course it's a sport.
Post by: ClutchClay on July 08, 2003, 02:02:33 AM
So, the question remains, is this phrase just flat out wrong?
And if so, where does that leave CDB's knowledge of the game if she can make that kind of error not once, but multiple times?
Sorry if I sound like I am harping on this so hard, but if the best that women's bowling has to offer speaks "bowling-ease" this poorly, what are the other PWBA members like?
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Regards, ClutchClay
Post by: Jeffrevs on July 08, 2003, 07:03:32 AM
for instance,.....
If they say SURFACE one for friggin' time on the PWBA show, I'm going to freak!
And....here's a good idea, why don't you tell us a little more about the oil pattern and /or what the oil information means when they announce it during the first game! They may as well be speaking Chinese (no offense)!
Is it just me ?
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JEFF
Just chimin' in !
Post by: card79 on July 08, 2003, 08:03:40 AM
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I don't really play cards and I am not 79, but it fits together somehow.
Post by: Jeffrevs on July 08, 2003, 08:13:28 AM
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JEFF
Just chimin' in !
Post by: Bjaardker on July 08, 2003, 08:37:15 AM
Entry of Angle (terrible grammar)
Plastic Ball
Should all be on the "only able to say once per telecast" list. With "Entry of Angle" being on the "I not sound so smart so I won't say it" list. It's a simple case of verbal diarhhea, but saying it more than once is kind of ridiculous for a national telecast.
Andy, when Jan mentioned that the shot wasn't symmetrical CDB tried to give a quick explanation as to why, but unfortunatly it's just too big a topic to cover in 5 seconds. Which is all you've got when your list of shout outs & recognitions is 5 miles long.
There is a place for recognitions on the telecast. But, I feel there simply are too many in every telecast. That's what a "friends & family" portion of a website is for, to give recognition to people. Then again, I've seen very few PWBA bowlers with websites.
Post by: card79 on July 08, 2003, 10:19:16 AM
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I don't really play cards and I am not 79, but it fits together somehow.
Post by: seadrive on July 08, 2003, 10:38:12 AM
At least they've learned to say the words, "That was a bad shot." Last year, every time someone didn't get a strike, they'd tell you how the lane is transitioning, and she'll have to make an adjustment. Yeah, right.
Carolyn needs to stop bobbing her head up and down like a dashboard doll, and Cathy... well, she sure is cute! I really wish I could have seen Jan Schmidt's face when Cathy called Kelly and Michelle "hookers". hahahahahahaha!
Cathy's comments on making the 2-8-10 were priceless. On one shot, she told us that you really have to hit it "perfect" to make it. I don't know about you, but I'm still looking for that perfect spot. Two frames later, she tells us that she's never seen it made, but she thinks a lefty might have a better shot at it. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
You can't make this stuff up!
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seadrive
Cogito ergo bowl
Post by: michelle on July 08, 2003, 10:42:29 AM
Mrsrevs...I wouldn't say it was a conspiracy, but I'm not going to quibble with what you opined on the source of problem.
Personally, I feel there are players that would do really well on commentary but are not afforded that opportunity for various reasons that I should probably bite my tongue on...
Post by: seadrive on July 08, 2003, 11:43:36 AM
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Which is all you've got when your list of shout outs & recognitions is 5 miles long. There is a place for recognitions on the telecast. But, I feel there simply are too many in every telecast.
The PWBA show is packaged very differently from the PBA show. The PBA markets their show as great entertainment, something you can get pumped up about. It's about drama and excitement. "Only one can win", will it be Walter Ray again, or will PDW throw 3 in the clutch to snatch the victory?
As presented by Jan Schmidt, the PWBA is more about "women's issues" and presenting the ladies as athletes, than it is about entertainment. You almost get the feeling that they don't really care if you find it entertaining, as long as they get to remind you every two minutes that the bowlers are athletes, female athletes. Got it? Good, but we're going to tell you again anyway.
The "shout outs" are just another symptom of the underlying problem. Jan seems to think the show belongs to her and her friends, and she uses the air time as she sees fit. Wishing your father and father-in-law Happy Father's Day was okay, but throwing out congrats to your husband's second-cousin-twice-removed's niece on her high school graduation is really a bit much, don't you think?
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seadrive
Cogito ergo bowl
Post by: HamPster on July 08, 2003, 12:20:54 PM
Ok *DISCLAIMER* For all you tightwad white people that think I'm being completely serious, stick it. Just a humorous, sarcasm laden rant about some stuff that everyone already seems to agree on.
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Forget Kung Fu, I know Ron Bahr!!!
The only difference between youth and adult leagues are that the big boys are allowed to whine. They're more entertaining anyway.
Post by: card79 on July 08, 2003, 12:26:47 PM
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I don't really play cards and I am not 79, but it fits together somehow.
Post by: Bjaardker on July 08, 2003, 12:51:11 PM
As I said, I dont mind a few shout outs. I understand why Dede wanted to give her condolences, and the happy anniversary was fine, but until they stop packaging the show like a local high school game, they will never find the support the need to survive.
I recently saw the little league championships on ESPN & IMHO they were more professional & better packaged than the PWBA.
Post by: ClutchClay on July 08, 2003, 12:52:28 PM
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Surface
Entry of Angle (terrible grammar)
Plastic Ball
Should all be on the "only able to say once per telecast" list.
To go slightly off topic for a moment (hey, it's my thread, I can do what I want
)...Don't forget the phrase that Randy Pedersen's (sp?) cohort (whatever his name is) uses at lease once during every PBA show, "Sixty feet to success". I always know it's coming and it still drives me nuts. He needs some new material.
Back to CDB/CDL's commentary. I love it when they say "that was a great shot" when the bowler has just gone beak or fast eight (i.e.: left a 4-7 or 6-10 on a high hit). Sorry, but if either of those two things happen, it was NOT a great shot. Sometimes I wonder if the CDs are watching the same show that I am.
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Regards, ClutchClay
Post by: mumzie on July 08, 2003, 02:09:12 PM
Has anyone read this months Bowling Digest?
In there, the article about the PWBA blames Title IX for the decrease in entries in PWBA events!!!!!
You gotta read it.
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Bowling? Of course it's a sport.
Post by: A_P_K on July 08, 2003, 02:34:50 PM
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Drastically inflicting pin punishing destruction, and doing it with...................well a Drastic!!
Post by: SrKegler on July 08, 2003, 02:56:17 PM
We used to have a saying in the Army. Promote people to their highest level of inefficiency.
I think this is what one of the previous posters, an unnamed PWBA member wanted to say but was too nice.
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~~~SrK - Have balls, will travel
Post by: michelle on July 08, 2003, 03:45:52 PM
'course if there is a demise of a particular women's tour, it would raise the interesting question of "if a fine is levied but nobody is there to collect, did the fine really hapen?"
Post by: card79 on July 08, 2003, 03:54:32 PM
Mumzie-
I must respectfully disagree with any position that would say that title IX in anyway would reduce women's participation in the women's professional tournaments. I will be attempting to look up the article you are referring too, but I must say title IX openned the doors to many sports that women would potentially not have continued to persue if they hadn't had title IX.
I better stop now sorry.
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I don't really play cards and I am not 79, but it fits together somehow.
Post by: mumzie on July 09, 2003, 12:11:23 AM
I couldn't agree more.
I'm going to start a new topic on this one - it's one of the most absurd things to come out of Rockford in a LONG time...
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Bowling? Of course it's a sport.
Post by: kev3inp on July 09, 2003, 07:23:38 AM
) phrases like "entry of angle" so I hardly even hear it anymore. "That's nothing but a two bit ring from a crackerback jox."
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the 3 is silent
Post by: srlunatic on July 09, 2003, 07:58:51 AM
Myself.........volume down.......cd player turned up.........
seems a very enjoyable experience.....;-)).....lol...
Think the telecasts are getting better (remember the PBA has had a couple more decades to perfect there's....).....though I think more bowling information and less "shoutouts" is definately the way to go.....
As for Title IX.........
think the ONLY argument that could be made here is ....since Title IX has opened the doors to female atheletes to compete collegiately in a much more wide variety of sports/athletics then prior to it.........that this has reduced the pool of women who would want to be bowlers. With more opportunities available, women can make more decisions on what to participate in....unlike in the past where only a handful of sports/athletics were available to them. So sort of reducing the pool of talent by opening other sports up to women...............but man that is a weak argument at best.....
just me rambling again.....*laugh*...
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Post by: Bjaardker on July 09, 2003, 08:28:07 AM
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I think they keep drumming the "athletes" thing in to remind us. While I'm sure they are, that wouldn't be the first thing that popped into my head if I saw Tiffany or Tenelle walking down the street. I might think "Gee, what cute little butterballs" but I probably wouldn't be saying "Gee, those girls sure look like athletes."
Probably not the first thing you would think when you saw the US women's powerlifting champion either. Most powerlifters are "chunky" at best, yet I think no one would argue against them being athletes.
I guess it's just a matter of don't judge a book by its cover. Then again your "first reaction" also shows how warped our society is when it comes to issues dealing with weight, which is at this point the only "socially acceptable" discrimination. It's not PC to say anything about a person's age, sexual orientation, race, or gender, but it's just fine to ridicule & harass a person about how they're a "fat mother trucker".
But that's a completely different topic. Sorry about the rant.
Post by: mumzie on July 09, 2003, 10:53:57 AM
When I walk into a Drs office, they immediately assume high cholesterol, high blood pressure, etc, just because of my weight. Raises my BP on the spot...
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Bowling? Of course it's a sport.
Post by: card79 on July 09, 2003, 11:01:00 AM
I can show you hundreds of college and nfl linemen that at 300 pounds are more agile have more strength (that is in comparison to size also) and more endurance than people half their size. They have to it is how they carry all that around and still do what they do.
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I don't really play cards and I am not 79, but it fits together somehow.
Post by: kev3inp on July 10, 2003, 06:02:02 AM
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the 3 is silent
Post by: Bjaardker on July 10, 2003, 08:13:58 AM
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I'm sorry if I've offended anybody. It was NOT my intention to do so. It IS a problem with societal expectations of what an "athlete" looks like. Yes, it is possible to be quite overweight and in great shape, but it really is more the exception than the rule. I know skinny people that are in terrible shape. 300 lb linemen ARE great athletes in pro football. Of course they're 6'5" too, and work very hard to keep themselves both strong and agile. Weight lifters, too, do not have the classic "athlete" look, but there is no doubt in my mind that they are. I'm not disagreeing with any of you, and if you took personal offense or if I've upset you, please accept my abject apology.
I have to disagree with you on this. With today's fast food lifestyle people are not eating right (lord knows that I dont), however many of those people with a spare tire & change are still physically fit enough to be athletes. Myself I've been 6'1" & 235-250 since junior year of high school. Yet I was very accomplished on both varsity tennis & Ski teams.
My point is, although people aren't eating right they still are getting exercise & performing in sports. Our culture is so focused on high fat & carb foods & getting them quickly, that you will begin to see many more "overweight athletes" in the future.
Edited on 7/10/2003 8:17 AM
Post by: serice on July 10, 2003, 10:34:52 AM
Sure, would I like to look trim, yeah, but I am really healthy and I am an ATHLETE!
Post by: Phillip Marlowe on July 10, 2003, 12:28:52 PM
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