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Equipment Boards => Radical => Topic started by: rackattack on January 24, 2014, 08:52:49 AM
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Drilled up two Radicals( Yeti Untamed and Reax.2) and have become a slappy for Radical.
Found a nice crew neck to represent for 25.95 GREAT DEAL!
Until checkout....
12.92 shipping to mi.
I just can't see paying nearly half the cost of the shirt to ship anywhere in the US.
For now it will be Seismic on my back and Radical in my bag.
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bowling companies are really missing the boat on apparel. Storm is the only company that is even remotely in the game. A tshirt shipped to me is $22.90. (NJ)
Ebonite - no tshirts, and the cheapest crew neck shirt is 45 dollars before shipping
Brunswick - doesnt seem to exist, or is too hard to find on their site
Motiv- $35.49 shipped for a tshirt
C300 - same as Ebonite
DV8- $31.69 shipped for a tshirt
Hammer & Track are same as the other EBI brands. Hammer has 2 tshirts but most sizes are sold out.
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bowling companies are really missing the boat on apparel. Storm is the only company that is even remotely in the game. A tshirt shipped to me is $22.90. (NJ)
Ebonite - no tshirts, and the cheapest crew neck shirt is 45 dollars before shipping
Brunswick - doesnt seem to exist, or is too hard to find on their site
Motiv- $35.49 shipped for a tshirt
C300 - same as Ebonite
DV8- $31.69 shipped for a tshirt
Hammer & Track are same as the other EBI brands. Hammer has 2 tshirts but most sizes are sold out.
I agree. DV8's prices used to be pretty inexpensive compared to the others. I understand that these need to make money, but I also think it's free advertising for the company so the prices should reflect that a bit (i.e. I'd want to ENCOURAGE bowlers to buy my apparel by offering it at good prices).
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Where did you get those prices. Can you post the link, I'd like to see the details.
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Go on each website into the apparel section. Add a tshirt to your cart then go through the checkout process. I'm sure prices vary depending on where you live. I am in NJ.
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Drilled up two Radicals( Yeti Untamed and Reax.2) and have become a slappy for Radical.
Found a nice crew neck to represent for 25.95 GREAT DEAL!
Until checkout....
12.92 shipping to mi.
I just can't see paying nearly half the cost of the shirt to ship anywhere in the US.
For now it will be Seismic on my back and Radical in my bag.
What website were you on?
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I was hoping this thread would have something about pants. I need to get some pants to go bowling in besides jeans. Do you have a preferred pair of pants you wear to bowl? Why? I would think a special loop on some pants to hold your towel would be a good idea.
I hope you don't wear spandex hot pants to bowl in. :)
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You go to the Pants Store. That's where Ron Burgundy goes.
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I was hoping this thread would have something about pants. I need to get some pants to go bowling in besides jeans. Do you have a preferred pair of pants you wear to bowl? Why? I would think a special loop on some pants to hold your towel would be a good idea.
I hope you don't wear spandex hot pants to bowl in. :)
Please tell me you are kidding about the loop for the towel.
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Drilled up two Radicals( Yeti Untamed and Reax.2) and have become a slappy for Radical.
Found a nice crew neck to represent for 25.95 GREAT DEAL!
Until checkout....
12.92 shipping to mi.
I just can't see paying nearly half the cost of the shirt to ship anywhere in the US.
For now it will be Seismic on my back and Radical in my bag.
What website were you on?
I went to your (Radical) website https://radicalbowlingapparel.com/. I found the shirt I liked in the outerwear sec RBT478 and when I went to checkout I got hit with the shipping. It's not that I can't afford it so much as the the idea of paying half again for shipping. I was a big Dyno fan back in the day so when I found you guys I was happy to give your products a shot.
Glad I did. Nothing but raves on the two I tried.
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The pants I wear are Fila for golf. They are pull on like sweats but they have front and rear pockets with a faux fly and no elastic at the cuff. Also all black without a side stripe. Comfortable as sweats but pass inspection at golf courses with a dress code.Also legal at the USBCs and most other tournaments. No loops though so you'll have to leave your towel behind.
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I've ordered from dv8 and Brunswick. My dv8 hoodie is a favorite and the long sleeve tee is also very nice. Brunswick did some very nice shirts for me. That being,said the Brunswick site is hardly ever updated and the selection is not very good . I like the set up of the sister brands so much better and the prices are reasonable. After drilling my V2 I'm very interested in the Radical wind jacket. As far as the other brands Storm seems pricey to me. They are after all bowling ball companies and probably don't make awhole heck of a lot off shirts .
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I was hoping this thread would have something about pants. I need to get some pants to go bowling in besides jeans. Do you have a preferred pair of pants you wear to bowl? Why? I would think a special loop on some pants to hold your towel would be a good idea.
I hope you don't wear spandex hot pants to bowl in. :)
Please tell me you are kidding about the loop for the towel.
You worried about how it looks? I'm always looking for some place to put my towel. Would rather just stick in my pocket but it's too bulky.
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I was hoping this thread would have something about pants. I need to get some pants to go bowling in besides jeans. Do you have a preferred pair of pants you wear to bowl? Why? I would think a special loop on some pants to hold your towel would be a good idea.
I hope you don't wear spandex hot pants to bowl in. :)
Please tell me you are kidding about the loop for the towel.
You worried about how it looks? I'm always looking for some place to put my towel. Would rather just stick in my pocket but it's too bulky.
Classic.
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Eh, thanks for the bullying. Is that it? When does the name calling start?
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Most only market shirts towards its staff members and some promotions for proshops. Its not their primary focus and agree its a missed opportunity.
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I could not agree more that these companies miss the mark on apperal. But with that being said, i do find that if you want quality, you will pay for it.
I actually play a lot of softball, and recently got a softball jersey, same sytle as the pro ones, to match my diva. While it does not say DV8 or Diva on it, the colors match and it supported a good cause.
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Drilled up two Radicals( Yeti Untamed and Reax.2) and have become a slappy for Radical.
Found a nice crew neck to represent for 25.95 GREAT DEAL!
Until checkout....
12.92 shipping to mi.
I just can't see paying nearly half the cost of the shirt to ship anywhere in the US.
For now it will be Seismic on my back and Radical in my bag.
I'll look into the cost of the shipping. Sound a bit strange that the shipping is 12.92 to Michigan when it is shipping from Indiana.
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I will say that bowlers in general do not see the value in the company name. Now don't go off and rip into me over this, you all know how much I support the forum and the bowlers. So hear me out. How many people pay $140 for an MLB, NBA or NFL jersey? They show support for a team because they are fans, basically giving them free advertising. We sell a shirt for $30 and get grieve over the pricing yet we are the one supporting the game at the league level all the way up to the pba. We make very little if anything on apparel. We have staffers at the amateur level, how many of you are staffers of the NFL team you support and hold season tickets. We get 30 or more request a week for players of every talent level looking for staff positions or comp balls. How many letters did the Broncos get this week for staff positions or free footballs.
I'm not saying we are the NFL that's why our shirts are $30 not $140. I just feel we can do a better job supporting the companies that support the game.
Done ranting (mildly)
Phil
We need to get some support from the bowlers without them expecting some type of discount or free stuff.
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Very well said Phil. I grew up in the bowling industry and have always been amazed how bowlers in general don't want to pay for things. Make the center look nice but don't you dare raise league lineage a buck every five years.
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Phil -- The OP didn't complain about the price of the shirt, but the price of the shipping, and I agree with him. Companies try to make money on shipping. In this case you're charging $12.92 to ship the shirt, the USPS charges $5.80 for a small flat rate box that's plenty big to ship a shirt. Add a little, say $2 to pull the shirt from inventory, put it in the box, and print a label and you should be able to ship it for at most $7. The advertising you get from someone wearing the shirt should be worth that much, especially for a relatively new company. Suggestion: price the shirts with shipping included, then you'll be hiding how much you make from shipping. -- JohnP
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I will say that bowlers in general do not see the value in the company name. Now don't go off and rip into me over this, you all know how much I support the forum and the bowlers. So hear me out. How many people pay $140 for an MLB, NBA or NFL jersey? They show support for a team because they are fans, basically giving them free advertising. We sell a shirt for $30 and get grieve over the pricing yet we are the one supporting the game at the league level all the way up to the pba. We make very little if anything on apparel. We have staffers at the amateur level, how many of you are staffers of the NFL team you support and hold season tickets. We get 30 or more request a week for players of every talent level looking for staff positions or comp balls. How many letters did the Broncos get this week for staff positions or free footballs.
I'm not saying we are the NFL that's why our shirts are $30 not $140. I just feel we can do a better job supporting the companies that support the game.
Done ranting (mildly)
Phil
We need to get some support from the bowlers without them expecting some type of discount or free stuff.
I agree with your rant about the tshirts. The issue I see is that high 5, and g 2g are overpriced of what you get. The softball jerseys we always got only cost 50 including set up. If they used stock logos, color schemes and allowed just addition of the names on back, I think more would b bought. I would also like to see them make replicas of the pro jerseys at a discount. All customer would need to do is get their size.
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I will say that bowlers in general do not see the value in the company name. Now don't go off and rip into me over this, you all know how much I support the forum and the bowlers. So hear me out. How many people pay $140 for an MLB, NBA or NFL jersey? They show support for a team because they are fans, basically giving them free advertising. We sell a shirt for $30 and get grieve over the pricing yet we are the one supporting the game at the league level all the way up to the pba. We make very little if anything on apparel. We have staffers at the amateur level, how many of you are staffers of the NFL team you support and hold season tickets. We get 30 or more request a week for players of every talent level looking for staff positions or comp balls. How many letters did the Broncos get this week for staff positions or free footballs.
I'm not saying we are the NFL that's why our shirts are $30 not $140. I just feel we can do a better job supporting the companies that support the game.
Done ranting (mildly)
Phil
We need to get some support from the bowlers without them expecting some type of discount or free stuff.
I hear what you're saying and I have no doubt that it's true. But it's not everybody. I just got into bowling seriously one year ago (in tune with my son getting into the sport). A few months ago I discovered radical and made the Torrid Affair my first new ball purchase. Prior to that I bought a couple used balls and moved thumbs. In the last month I have added a new Times Up and a new Grease Monkey. I don't want a staff position. I don't want free shirts or balls. What I would like though is the ability to order a nice shirt that says Radical at I can also put my name on. No sites I've been to have afforded that simple option. Maybe I'm missing it, if so I would love to be steered in the right direction.
But I saw another post on this site a couple days ago for a site that sells personalized gear, and it says Radical is restricted to staffers. Then I come here and hear "we don't do staffers". What's the deal? Can I get a Radical jersey made? I'm happy to pay to advertise for you guys. I love the equipment. I'd love to spread the word and pay for the privilege. Seriously.
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First of thank you for the support it is greatly appreciated. I'll try to explain best I can. We offer shirts through a license deal on our website. We are a ball company and don't pretend to be able to do shirts or bags very well. I m looking into the reason the freight was so high as earlier reported.
Regarding your question. The PBA has an agreement with a shirt compmay to be exclusive. That is a discussion for another day. Because of their agreement we have to allow them to make name shirts for our staffers. We don't get a license fee from them so they can not sell to anyone except staffers. My solution is to order one of our shirts from our web site which actually takes you to the licensee site. Get that shirt and have a local screen company put your name on it. It will be a significantly better deal. Hold off until I get to the bottom of the freight issue which started the thread.
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That's just crazy enough to work. I didn't know there was such things as local careening companies, but I'll look into it. Still a little confused why I can get my son a storm jersey with his name on it but you can't get a radical jersey with your name on it, but you're probably right, DIY solution is likely a lot cheaper.
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I was hoping this thread would have something about pants. I need to get some pants to go bowling in besides jeans. Do you have a preferred pair of pants you wear to bowl? Why? I would think a special loop on some pants to hold your towel would be a good idea.
I hope you don't wear spandex hot pants to bowl in. :)
Please tell me you are kidding about the loop for the towel.
You worried about how it looks? I'm always looking for some place to put my towel. Would rather just stick in my pocket but it's too bulky.
Classic.
I agree. This is the best thread going. I'm in tears.
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New to the Radical group and really do like the reaction I am getting from my newly acquired Reax Pearl v1. I also appreciated the quick response to a question about layout that I got via an email.
I myself just checked out the apparel and I am impressed with the options, although simple (not flashy). Very nice selection for someone to where on league nights or to tournaments to promote their favorite brand. The shipping to me here in Nebraska was $14.22 per item, which means when I added a towel the shipping doubled! Wow, yeah I don't think your gonna get many sales at that rate. I'm sure Phil is looking into this and will be handled.
Once the freight is fixed we will all be sporting the best ball brands logo! Not just tooting your horn, with Phil and Mo at the same brand, how can it not be the best made balls!!! Well ok I am tooting a little, just always been impressed with balls made by the companies which these two were apart of in the past.
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Drilled up two Radicals( Yeti Untamed and Reax.2) and have become a slappy for Radical.
Found a nice crew neck to represent for 25.95 GREAT DEAL!
Until checkout....
12.92 shipping to mi.
I just can't see paying nearly half the cost of the shirt to ship anywhere in the US.
For now it will be Seismic on my back and Radical in my bag.
Ok here is the scoop, as I said we license out the brand for apparel, the freight is the rate charged by UPS or Fed Ex. It is high because the licensee requires that the shipment must be traceable and insured. There is no additional freight expense added. we are looking into it but I think that is the culprit.
Phil
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Well what ever the "culprit" is, I for one, will not be paying $28.44 to have a shirt and a towel shipped within the US, maybe to another country but not in the US. That amount of money to have items this small shipped is embarrasing.
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As I said we are looking into alternate methods.
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So..... Tried the site again. USPS still same as UPS and FedEx. Shame it's that way. States,City, and USBC right around the corner. Newguy are you guys going to be in Reno? Maybe pick a shirt up there?
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we can take shirt orders for anyone that is on Radical staff
https://www.facebook.com/pages/Front-11-Clothing/420933214663511
www.front11clothing.com
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we can take shirt orders for anyone that is on Radical staff
https://www.facebook.com/pages/Front-11-Clothing/420933214663511
www.front11clothing.com
See, this confuses me since posts by newguy seem to indicate they don't do "staff". Conversely, it seems I can get personalized Radical at High 5 and jazzy ape. And I don't appear to need to be "staff".
I don't need to be on the 40 man roster to get a personalized Phillies jersey.
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we can only provide staff with Radical logos at this time due to agreements with Brunswick, sorry about that, we can provide any clothing items we offer with Radical logos if you email us written permission from Brian Granham, which is easy to ask for via email
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we can only provide staff with Radical logos at this time due to agreements with Brunswick, sorry about that, we can provide any clothing items we offer with Radical logos if you email us written permission from Brian Granham, which is easy to ask for via email
Would this go for DV8 as well?
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yes, what was posted applies to all Brunswick brands, have a look at our facebook to see work we have done for staff and those that have obtained written permission, for all 3 brands
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we can take shirt orders for anyone that is on Radical staff
https://www.facebook.com/pages/Front-11-Clothing/420933214663511
www.front11clothing.com
See, this confuses me since posts by newguy seem to indicate they don't do "staff". Conversely, it seems I can get personalized Radical at High 5 and jazzy ape. And I don't appear to need to be "staff".
I don't need to be on the 40 man roster to get a personalized Phillies jersey.
I'm not sure why you say we don't have a staff. We have several amateur and regional staffers and 1 national staffer.
I understand your comparison with the Phillies jersey. We'd be happy to sell you a shirt. You can have your name put on it. Along the same comparison the Phillies equipment manager doesn't put your name on the phillies jersey. By the way congrats on getting AJ Burnett. I was a big fan of his when he was with the Yanks.
I'm still looking into options for the shirts.
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Okay I think I misinterpreted a different thread here: http://www.ballreviews.com/radical/inquiries-about-staff-positions-t297211.0.html;msg2421411#msg2421411
You clearly do staff, but you don't grant staff requests (not that I'm requesting; I am NO staff candidate ;) ) . Something like that. But this still does not explain why High 5 and Jazzy Ape don't seem to have restrictions.
And yeah I'm okay with AJ. Only one year and he's better at 3 than what we had.
By the way, my fourth Radical ball is in the mail. And 13 months ago I never had my own ball before. The only brand new balls I have ever bought have been Radical...love 'em. My consternation with apparel not withstanding, it does nothing to affect my devotion to actual equipment.
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Okay I think I misinterpreted a different thread here: http://www.ballreviews.com/radical/inquiries-about-staff-positions-t297211.0.html;msg2421411#msg2421411
You clearly do staff, but you don't grant staff requests (not that I'm requesting; I am NO staff candidate ;) ) . Something like that. But this still does not explain why High 5 and Jazzy Ape don't seem to have restrictions.
And yeah I'm okay with AJ. Only one year and he's better at 3 than what we had.
By the way, my fourth Radical ball is in the mail. And 13 months ago I never had my own ball before. The only brand new balls I have ever bought have been Radical...love 'em. My consternation with apparel not withstanding, it does nothing to affect my devotion to actual equipment.
Thanks for the support I'm glad you are liking the Radical balls. I am trying to get to the bottom of the sublimation shirt deal and will post as soon as I have info.
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Ok Guys here is the scoop
we have deal with High 5, Gemini, Boom and K&K to produce shirts and sell them direct to the public. I hope this helps.
Thanks
Phil
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Phil,
Thanks for the clarity. I know it was likely a quite annoying area for you to have to delve into. This is much appreciated, certainly by me.
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Thanks for the info Phil. Its good to have your apparel be in demand.
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Ok so tonight I shoot 299/ 803 with the Reax 2 on long oil. Screw principal I'm ordering the shirt tomorrow and representing in style. Great equipment deserves to be recognized.
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Ok so tonight I shoot 299/ 803 with the Reax 2 on long oil. Screw principal I'm ordering the shirt tomorrow and representing in style. Great equipment deserves to be recognized.
Good shooting. When you look at it like this, it's still only $19.50 a shirt even with shipping. That's a pretty good price really.
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Nice bowling!
The Reax 2 is Phil & Mo showing the industry that Radical is here to stay.
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Ok so tonight I shoot 299/ 803 with the Reax 2 on long oil. Screw principal I'm ordering the shirt tomorrow and representing in style. Great equipment deserves to be recognized.
So that's all it took to get you to buy some apparel, 299/803....LOL
Nice Bowling and thanks for the support. It's always a great feeling when we can be part of a successful bowling set. Thanks again.
Phil
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Conclusion. My shirt arrived UPS ground 13 days after purchase. The site said allow two weeks so it was on time. Fit and finish are excellent. I have decided to look at it as a total purchase and forget the shipping. In that light it is well worth what I paid. One note. Most companys will email shipment confirmation and tracking number. This company employs the trust us or call us approach. Kind of a throw back to pre internet days.
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Just ordered my first Radical ball (Reax V2) and also ordered 2 Radical bags and wanted a Radical towel, so I followed the link from the Radical website to buy the towel and a t-shirt.
The prices were good, but, as with the others, the shipping is still very high. $12.95 for the shirt and $7.95 for the towel, for a total of $20.90. But shipping was $16.13 for either UPS or FedEx, 17 something for USPS.
To make it even worse, I live in Oregon, which has no sales tax, but they still charged me $1.46 for tax. I have ordered from many websites and never been charged a sales tax before.
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3 weeks to the day I received both the towel and t-shirt. They look great and I called the company and they claim I was not charged the sales tax. Haven't checked my credit card yet.