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Equipment Boards => Radical => Topic started by: billdozer on November 01, 2018, 07:56:56 PM
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My buddy has a cash, it's hooking too early etc. Same old story
Oob it's 500/1500...
Is it a cover that we should:
A: polish it over the oob grit (potentially resurface then polish)
B: no polish...just play with 3000 or 4000 grits
C: take it to 4000+polish (storm style)
Any experience?
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I'm not speaking from experience with the cover itself, but I would try suggestion B and then C if need be. 3000 > 4000 > Polish. Then if you get it right before polish it's easier to replicate, but of course could run the whole spectrum up to 4k + polish.
Someone who is familiar with their covers could weigh in with some more insight though.
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Do you think it's a small adjustment needed?
If it's something small I'd just take 4000 to it with heavier pressure.
If you think a large adjustment is needed, definitely go higher grit and polish
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Cash cover is stupid strong. My More Cash needs 4000+polish+slip agent to use on house shot and even then only get a game maybe game in half before start getting pocket splits. I tend to have opposite problem where ball won't hook at all unless I put as little surface as possible on it but I made mistake of putting a really strong drilling on it as well.
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The house just isn't putting out oil, he wants to just polish it up...
But my thoughts are it takes away from what the cash it by just polishing it.
I want to go 4k and try it.
Then if not + polish..
I just didn't know if any radical guys knew what worked best..
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The house just isn't putting out oil, he wants to just polish it up...
But my thoughts are it takes away from what the cash it by just polishing it.
I want to go 4k and try it.
Then if not + polish..
I just didn't know if any radical guys knew what worked best..
Why doesn't he just ball down? That seems easier to me, but I don't know his situation.
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The house just isn't putting out oil, he wants to just polish it up...
But my thoughts are it takes away from what the cash it by just polishing it.
I want to go 4k and try it.
Then if not + polish..
I just didn't know if any radical guys knew what worked best..
Why doesn't he just ball down? That seems easier to me, but I don't know his situation.
+1. To be kind of blunt my More Cash has been one of my more disappointing balls. Not a versatile ball at all on anything but a flood and there is a reason why Radical moved away from that core. All that said yes less surface and your friend is probably going to need to keep the ball in the oil as long as possible unless very speed dominant. That ball is made for playing in the middle of the lane imo.
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So our plan to deal with a ball hooking too early due to the house not putting out enough volume is to essentially polish up and continue throwing an asymmetrical 2.50RG .048 differential and .020 intermediate diff ball with a strong solid cover intended for lanes with decent volume?
I just want to make sure I understand that what we're looking at is to first adjust the cover as opposed to considering a ball change. :o
Is our goal to throw this ball or to score?
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No he never ever gets the use the ball because it's too early and strong.
The goal was to try and figure out some sort of alternative so he can actually use the ball.
The guy's got plenty of stuff he scores well he's just not a surface guy, he can probably beat most of you fools 😂😂😂.
I just don't know Jack about radical equipment and he bought the ball because of all the hype of how strong it is..
Also, the reason doesn't matter...the guy has balled down to the point it sits in his locker for good.
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Also, I told him, polishing a cash kinda ruins the intent of the ball....just trying to help him.
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This is the type of thinking that gets people in trouble in anything different than the house shot. You drilled an oil ball, but don't have enough oil for it. So he's going to change the surface enough to be able to use it on the house shot. Then when he hits an oil slick, it's going to look like the rest of his bag.
Personally, (Global plug coming, because me), if I have a Contiuum in the bag at 2000 and I can't use it on the house shot, it's the wrong ball. Why put a governor on a Ferrari? Use it for what it's intended for.
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This is the type of thinking that gets people in trouble in anything different than the house shot. You drilled an oil ball, but don't have enough oil for it. So he's going to change the surface enough to be able to use it on the house shot. Then when he hits an oil slick, it's going to look like the rest of his bag.
Personally, (Global plug coming, because me), if I have a Contiuum in the bag at 2000 and I can't use it on the house shot, it's the wrong ball. Why put a governor on a Ferrari? Use it for what it's intended for.
Sunk cost fallacy hit me some too. Spend top shelf price and then damn it going to make it work. What really soured me on top of it was seeing the ball go on clearance at buddies just a few months later because surprise ball wasn't great. Learned my lesson when got much more useful Fix for under $90. Someday perhaps ball will useful when I need to burn a hole in a long heavy pattern for team or something.
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Lol y'all think too much...
Also, I'm one of those guys who doesn't by too many high end releases as they aren't useable by me unless I'm on the heaviest of conditions. I get that point..
But the reality is he wants to use his ball, and he can refinish it anytime he wants...
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Cash juice.
https://www.amazon.com/Vise-Bowling-Ball-Agent-ounce/dp/B0163HJEHI
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Cash juice.
https://www.amazon.com/Vise-Bowling-Ball-Agent-ounce/dp/B0163HJEHI
🤦😂
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We're gonna take it to 4k no polish.
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I may be of some assistance here. A little while back I picked up a used radical cash, great price, low games cover was in really good shape. I picked it up just to see how this ball being marketed as "the most hooking ball ever made" stacked up to my preferred heavy oil/flood balls---Visionary Midnight scorcher, Ebonite Tombstones..I own 2 of each and my centaur amb particle and my immortal solid. I decided to drill the cash up the same way I have many of those drilled up, with a 320 degree hook/set drilling(I need the extra help with the drilling).
The comparison testing was done at the kegel training center in Lake Wales Florida. I bowled on a 41 foot heavy sport shot. The results were surprising and disappointing. The cash greatly underperformed compared to all the rest, it really labored on the pattern to move much. At the time I didn't redrill the ball...but I did decide at some point to tame up the cover as much as possible and heavily polished it. Something about those core specs and that shape that with a 320 degree hook set drilling put on it really tones the reaction down...what I ended up with was a medium - medium light oil ball. Actually shot a 266 about a year ago in league with it. That is why I picked up this year a Xeno pearl..nearly identical specs and many similarities to the cash core, and a 320 hook set on THAT ball gives me even more length than my lane #1 bullet(believe it or not) , but a much more flippy backend than the Bullet.
Maybe he could try redrilling it with a 320 degree hook set drilling, that would tame the reaction quite a bit. The drilling is found here http://wiki.bowlingchat.net/wiki/index.php?title=Trick_Layout_Examples
Although I am concerned once the new rules go into effect regarding weight holes because that drilling requires one..but I'll cross that bridge when I get to it.
Brad
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I wonder how all of those layouts work with all of those. I'd like to do the high flare smooth layout on a Sumo SE
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My experience as well (with More Cash) but went with 65x4"x30 with double thumb (that ended up plugging balance hole). Damn ball goes straight and burns up unless it has virtually no surface and even then doesn't move all that much. Much much weaker than my Green Quantum. Figured was because I haven't used it on a heavy sports pattern but seen several others on here say the same thing. Don't know how much a weaker drilling would help. Katana core sure killed the crap out of the Cash core though in Radical's lineup. Guessing Cash core with that abrasive of cover stock makes ball very condition and bowler specific and based on how fast it went to clearance was a bit of turd for Radical after initial hook hype wore off.
(edit: that new Conspiracy ball looks like what the More Cash should have been)
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I wasn't trying to be a D........but I did have to ask those questions and define our goal.
To be fair it does sound like using the ball is a priority over scoring, and in that case I would go to 4000 and if that doesn't create enough push add some Xtra Shine.
I don't get it as I'd use the ball for its intended purpose, but bring the cover way up since we're wanting to throw this.
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I wasn't trying to be a D........but I did have to ask those questions and define our goal.
To be fair it does sound like using the ball is a priority over scoring, and in that case I would go to 4000 and if that doesn't create enough push add some Xtra Shine.
I don't get it as I'd use the ball for its intended purpose, but bring the cover way up since we're wanting to throw this.
He's got 10+ that he uses, but his cash never gets use. Polish is probably inevitable 😂