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Equipment Boards => Radical => Topic started by: LuckyLefty on October 04, 2013, 08:01:38 AM
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With the new Brunswick coverstocks wrapping on Radicals/Mo's core designs Radical is getting raves.
I've heard that the Torrid Affair might be a C System. Anyone want to forward a guess?
I think it looks and feels like my C System 3.5? Or do others think it is the C System Alpha Max?
Is the Reax Solid the Alpha cover? Any guesses? The new Reax 2...what are your guesses/theories?
REgards,
Luckylefty
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We have not used the Brunswick formulas from the C system, we use our own additives etc to match to the cores we are using. The Reax solid is our own formula designed specifically for the Reax core.
So no theories or guesses necessary. ;)
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Similar to Morich I am guessing. He did use the PK17 and 18 on a few bowling balls but most were made specifically for the ball core and shape they were after.
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Not similar. Unique to radical
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You miss read, similar "were made specifically for the ball core and shape they were after". I would guess the covers for Radical are also made with the same purpose.
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Seriously, why so obsessed over covers? Solid, pearl, hybrid. Are there any others out there? Do we all know what the characteristics are of each?
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New/Phil,
Thanks for answering. Well great. I love the look of the Torrid Affair on our local lanes as far as push, but I find the recovery not enough as are many other bowlers with symmetrics this season at that house. However, I am finding that solid Asymmetrics look like the answer. The Torrid Elite looks like a great answer at our other center!
I have a Mission X that looks pretty good but even at 4000 w/polish I find it a little gritty. From videos of the Reax Solid it looks very similar to my eye as the Mission X.
We have some righties who blend out the pattern in practice who are killing with Pin up Reax Pearl MB strong.
I was wondering if my assumptions are right. Or is the new Reax 2 maybe that easy pushier solid coverstock?
I'd been thinking C system 3.5 (I have laying around) but I am open minded. Our center pro is very high on the Torrid affair.
REgards,
Luckylefty
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LL,
Watching the Radical staffers and throwers in my area, the Torrid Elite should be all you need. The Elite is an earlier and heavier rolling ball, where as the Affair has a longer but smooth reaction. Both balls are symmetric, easy to read, and roll phenominal.
If you wanted something a bit stronger like your Mission X that is like an Asym but polished, then a Yeti would be a good option. Something that would get downlane with less effort than your X but spin up like an Asym.
The Reax to me is still THE Strongest ball on the Market. I bowl in a sport pattern league where the right side is flooded. I've seen everything under the sun go straight on that pattern, except for the Reax's. How they could make a stronger covered, more "backending" version is amazing. I don't think I'll have one as I rarely get to throw my solid anywhere But the Yeti Untamed may be the option for me on heavier sport patterns. just my .02.
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Righty,
Your input is always welcome and appreciated.
I assure you pearls don't seem to be the answer on the left in the first house. I believe the Elite will be sweet at my standard top hat house(dry all the way down 10, 40 foot pattern). Likes pearls and likes backend.
My first house Explosive on the Fresh and then sloppy as you progress(pearls can be used later). However The solid Mission X with 4000 and polish and drilled weak pin and strong MB is usable all 3 games. Readable off the harsh fresh and then strong enough core off the sloppy late 2nd game and 3rd game slop to carry in this 7 pin hell for symmetrics. The Torrid affair can hardly carry on the right on the higher friction lane bed easier right side in this house. Many of our top guys are using the Affair on the right for part of a first game and then going to the Reax Pearl. Seems to work. I think the Affair looks very sweet but this house goes sloppy quickly,.
I didn't know if you were aware of the new Reax 2 but it has Yeti core morphed to Assym.
Then it has a solid that they say saves it's reaction till later.....hmmmm.
Regards,
Luckierlefty
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Guys, don't be afraid to adjust the cover with an pad of your choice! I rolled my Affair and love how easy it got down the lane and I hit the surface with a worn 2000 abralon pad and that ball came alive. It really turns the corner harder and has a shape all it's own. I don't want to compare it to a Versa Max cause it similar, but different. Radical cores with radical covers equals I believe Insane ball motion and reaction. I'm really impressed with Radical now teamed up with Mo and Brunswick. Congrats to Phil. Just my $.02, Bruce
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Coverstock "guesses"?
WHY would you make guesses about stuff like this?
There are virtually THOUSANDS of chemicals used in the manufacture of bowling ball covers, which results in MILLIONS of different combinations, with each one being different from the others.
To "guess" which cover is on a ball would be akin to "guessing" which numbers will win the lottery.
Or maybe like asking "How many different cakes can you bake using eggs as an ingredient"?
I get a real kick out of the posts where people say things like "It looks the same as cover X" or "It feels the same as my ______ ball, and it has cover X on it". Can't base crap off of "looks" and "feel".
Heck, Storm even uses the same coverstock name, even AFTER THE FORMULA HAS BEEN CHANGED! A different formula means it is slightly different, but they use the same name for it? That is purposefully misleading.
STOP "GUESSING" ABOUT COVERSTOCKS. Useless speculation does nothing but spread rumors and mis-information.
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Ok, One of the staffers told me he believed the Radical Affair was very similar to the C system. We discussed which one and I heard it and know what he told me.
I am sure it is their own tweak. So I have some ideas in my own head regarding different Brunswick coverstocks. ie, I own, a Slingshot, Strike King, 3 Ultimaxs, a Ringer, a Loaded Revolver, a C system 3.5 plugged after rolling and NIB Alpha Max. oops forgot my undrilled Damage, 2 green black avalanches and a Motiv Ascent solid, a Motiv Quadfire QZ2. Oh yeah just threw my Battle Zone Bullet the other day.
Ooops what is that doing on that shelf? Oh wait, Red Zone, back in that box. What is that....a NIB Fury, and old Fury. Oh my! Oh no, Dynamic groove for me a 299er, forgotten but loved.
I am very intrigued right now with the C System 3.5 and Alpha Max for the bit of Au Jus at my main center.
Saw this video...hmm
http://tamerbowling.com/index.php/brunswick-alpha-max-ball-review/
Additives? Sounds like particles? In a way doesn't it?
Regards,
Luckylefty
PS guessing?....wondering. thinking a Radical might be soon to follow.
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Dude... Motiv has absolutely no connection with Brunswick coverstock technology...
Ok, One of the staffers told me he believed the Radical Affair was very similar to the C system. We discussed which one and I heard it and know what he told me.
I am sure it is their own tweak. So I have some ideas in my own head regarding different Brunswick coverstocks. ie, I own, a Slingshot, Strike King, 3 Ultimaxs, a Ringer, a Loaded Revolver, a C system 3.5 plugged after rolling and NIB Alpha Max. oops forgot my undrilled Damage, 2 green black avalanches and a Motiv Ascent solid, a Motiv Quadfire QZ2. Oh yeah just threw my Battle Zone Bullet the other day.
Ooops what is that doing on that shelf? Oh wait, Red Zone, back in that box. What is that....a NIB Fury, and old Fury. Oh my! Oh no, Dynamic groove for me a 299er, forgotten but loved.
I am very intrigued right now with the C System 3.5 and Alpha Max for the bit of Au Jus at my main center.
Saw this video...hmm
http://tamerbowling.com/index.php/brunswick-alpha-max-ball-review/
Additives? Sounds like particles? In a way doesn't it?
Regards,
Luckylefty
PS guessing?....wondering. thinking a Radical might be soon to follow.
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Regardless of what a Radical staffer has told you "he thinks" we do not use Brunswick resin formulas. Our additives are not particle. We match our cores to cover stock performances so we can fine tune them to get the performance we desire. I hope this puts an end to all the speculation because I hate to speculate. If you ask I will tell you, unless I really feel its proprietary, as are our resin formulas.
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Good to know.
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New/Phil,
I am very excited about your stuff and a fan. I am sorry the impressions this conversation is seeming to have I am just trying to assess differences to get my matchups.
The Torrid Affair had caught my eye and then the lanes started acting much juicier this year at our center. Reasons unknown as they say everything the same!
When one goes from a Sonic X solid to a Mission X to flush the pocket it implies some differences!
I did not mean to imply the word additives were just particles for only Radical. I hear the word often from many companies and not knowing didlly about the chemistry of resins and "additives" I have no idea about what is going on there. Won't probably going much farther in that area in my training either!
I know what types of rolls on the lanes my eyes like, and what I have right now, and what I don't think I have. Right now I have just seen the Torrid Affair and the Reax Pearl on local shots and know they both look real sweet. Looking forward to seeing more Radicals around town and figuring out reactions on the local centers!
Maybe some day a ball trial at our local center? I'd love it!
REgards,
Luckylefty