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Equipment Boards => Radical => Topic started by: Timmyb01 on August 19, 2013, 10:35:07 AM
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Just picked up a times up solid on buddies for 34.95 will this ball be a good candidate for a MOtion hole? Any help would be greatly appreciated.
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I saw those. Great price for what was reportedly a solid benchmark ball.
I am a recent convert to the MOtion hole and a big fan. I used an AMF Heist Pearl, which reviewers said has a smooth breakpoint like the Times Up Solid. The ability to increase the backend from this drilling on a ball that will not jump like crazy once it hits friction is to me the bonus of the MOtion hole. I think you will be happy.
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Just picked up a times up solid on buddies for 34.95 will this ball be a good candidate for a MOtion hole? Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Yes, you'll be happier with a 3-4"+ pin out and between 2.4 and 2.7 oz of top weight though.
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J_Mac, Will the Mo hole work on that long of a pin? I was told 3", Just wondering.
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Just picked up a times up solid on buddies for 34.95 will this ball be a good candidate for a MOtion hole? Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Yes, you'll be happier with a 3-4"+ pin out and between 2.4 and 2.7 oz of top weight though.
I have one with a 4-4.5" pin with 3 oz top weight. Will that be ok?
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J_Mac, Will the Mo hole work on that long of a pin? I was told 3", Just wondering.
With longer or shorter pins you may have to adjust the CG up or down the grip midline. My Pursuit-S had a shorter pin then I would have liked so it went in my ring finger and the CG is about halfway between the thumb and grip center.
Doing that sort of adjustment may require you to play with grip hole depths outside the norm to get statics legal.
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I saw it on eBay for 54.95 plus shipping and thought it was a solid buy. Deckded to google it for some reviews and buddies deal came up couldn't resist for an option to dabble this layout on. 53 bucks with shipping so about a hundred done up. Buddies said most of them are 2-3 inch pins. I'm keeping my fingers crossed. Thanks for the input
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I saw it on eBay for 54.95 plus shipping and thought it was a solid buy. Deckded to google it for some reviews and buddies deal came up couldn't resist for an option to dabble this layout on. 53 bucks with shipping so about a hundred done up. Buddies said most of them are 2-3 inch pins. I'm keeping my fingers crossed. Thanks for the input
I have a Pink/Purple Karma set aside that I plan on doing this to... This time the specs are right where I need them to be so I can really max out the layout before the hole.
I'm also contemplating a MOhole on a plugged Mission 250K. After simulating it with blueprint, the hole is essentially 180° from my fingers, but that doesn't mean that location will end up flare safe in the real world.
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J_Mac, Thanks for the clarification. I wondered if I could move the pin into the finger on a 2 1/2" ball with low top weight. I have a ball I have been wanting to experiment on.
I'll just drill the fingers shallow, then weigh it to keep it legal.
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Just picked up a times up solid on buddies for 34.95 will this ball be a good candidate for a MOtion hole? Any help would be greatly appreciated.
I recently drilled up a Times Up Solid, and I've been very happy with it. Mine had a relatively short (2-1/2") pin and 3 ounces of top weight, so it didn't have good specs for a MOtion hole layout. I drilled mine 65* x 4-5/8" x 45*, no weight hole, box finish. With this layout and surface preparation, I get a great benchmark reaction. It is very smooth and controllable on the backend. I think it would be a good candidate for the MOtion hole.
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The trick to buddies is to add something else to get the $ amount to $50 and you get free shipping! I'd rather add grips or slugs to add the extra amount for something I could use instead of paying that amount for shipping!! Just my $.02, Bruce
P.S. I bought one and I add a Cyclone for my wife and got them both for $74 free shipping!
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Yeah I learned that the hard way with the 50.00 dollar purchase. Either way still a great buy. Talked with my driller today he hasn't done a MOtion hole yet but would like a guinea pig. Prob pinching it up on Thursday.
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Ball came today here are the specs. Let me know if these will work
15LBS 3OZS 4 1/4 top weight 2.5-3 inch pin. Any help would be great.
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Ball came today here are the specs. Let me know if these will work
15LBS 3OZS 4 1/4 top weight 2.5-3 inch pin. Any help would be great.
Top weight may be too high. Optimum specs for the MOtion hole are 2.1 to 2.7 ounces of top weight. Will you require the pin right next to ring or above ring?
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Above ring. The plan was to MO hole it but I am inpatient and may do a simple pin over and possibly add the whole at a later point. League starts Monday and work is crazy so my wife is doing the dirty work and getting the ball to the shop for me.
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Just curious, what is your PAP?
It is imperative that you throw the ball before you drill the weight hole. Mark the position of the hole with tape, throw it a few times, and ensure that you do not track over the weight hole before you drill it.
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Unsure of pap. My driller has my specs. It all confuses me. Our plan was to throw it Monday for league and see how I like it without the home and add if need be. Not sure i will need it being that I shoot in the easiest house in MN
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Ask your driller to check the cg location and the top weight. It's unusual to see a ball with that much top weight, it may be lower. -- JohnP
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Will do thanks for the input
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John P what would be ideal top weight?
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John P what would be ideal top weight?
If you want a MOtion hole layout, the ideal top weight is 2.1 to 2.7 ounces.
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Something to remember. After drilling is completed, you are only allowed to have a maximum of 3oz of topweight left in the ball.
If the ball starts out with 4 1/2oz, and you drill out 2-2 1/2oz with the finger and thumb holes, that is going to leave you with 2-2 1/2oz topweight already in the ball, and this will all but eliminate the ability to drill the motion hole and have the ball remain "legal".
Drilling the finger and thumb holes deeper to eliminate more topweight MIGHT be effective, but by Mo's theories, drilling the holes deeper may have undesirable effects that would not be "fixable" by the addition of the motion hole.
Would have been better if the ball didn't have so much topweight to begin with, especially if you are wanting to drill a motion hole ball.
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Go to the Radical website and check out the drill sheets. You need to drill the thumb hole deep. At least 3 and 1/2 inch.
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Thanks for the input guys. After further thought I am more than likely not going to use the MOtion hole. New guy their isn't a drill sheet on the web. What kind of layout would you recommend for this piece? I play fairly straight up the boards and don't have a ton of hand. Want the ball to be aggressive yet controllable.
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Thanks for the input guys. After further thought I am more than likely not going to use the MOtion hole. New guy their isn't a drill sheet on the web. What kind of layout would you recommend for this piece? I play fairly straight up the boards and don't have a ton of hand. Want the ball to be aggressive yet controllable.
There isn't?
http://radicalbowling.com/uploads/downloads/radical-layouts.pdf (http://radicalbowling.com/uploads/downloads/radical-layouts.pdf)
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John P what would be ideal top weight?
Mo's recommendation for specs is 2.2 - 2.7 oz top weight and 3" pin out. -- JohnP
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Thanks for the input guys. After further thought I am more than likely not going to use the MOtion hole. New guy their isn't a drill sheet on the web. What kind of layout would you recommend for this piece? I play fairly straight up the boards and don't have a ton of hand. Want the ball to be aggressive yet controllable.
There isn't?
http://radicalbowling.com/uploads/downloads/radical-layouts.pdf (http://radicalbowling.com/uploads/downloads/radical-layouts.pdf)
Isn't an aggressive yet controllable layout?
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The motion hole is on the website. I never suggest drillings since I have never seen you bowl or know what you are bowling on. Visit a reputable pro shop for that info
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Sounds good I will try and locate it. What part of the site by chance?
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The link was in a prior reply. Thanks for all the help
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Isn't an aggressive yet controllable layout?
I'm not sure what you mean by an aggressive but controllable layout. Maybe try the pin beside with balance hole or double thumb layout.
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Isn't an aggressive yet controllable layout?
I'm not sure what you mean by an aggressive but controllable layout. Maybe try the pin beside with balance hole or double thumb layout.
I am gonna give the double thumb a try. Heard good things and based off the sheets and ball specs it seems like the best option for the reaction I want. Tha is for all the help. Hope this isn't my last radical piece of equipment.