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Equipment Boards => Radical => Topic started by: newguy on November 12, 2014, 08:53:42 AM
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So i would like your input. Tell me the ideal ball motion that is most desirable. Please do not use other balls as an example. I want you to describe the motion.
I will select 2 responses randomly. The first selected response will receive a Guru. The second will receive a Yeti Uncaged. Only one response per person. Multiple responses by the same person will disqualify you from the selection process.
Please be as descriptive as possible. It's your chance to help us develope a ball down the road.
Thanks
Phil
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My preferred ball motion is long and strong. I tend to play out near the gutter at my break point (when I can), and I prefer to get it there further down lane. But even when playing more inside, I prefer balls that store their energy and get down lane before breaking to the pocket.
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One thing I would instantly buy is something resin with a tall mild core and cover for true toast. Something like 2.6ish RG and .030 diff.
Almost a mild asym but not necessarily an "entry level ball".
I think it would be great for tournament bags and for the lighter THS patterns. There are so many bowlers today that face light-volume THS' that it would (with the correct marketing ;)) be a ball that would be relevant. It would also be a great option for late tournaments where the spot is extremely defined and sparking where getting it to the spot is difficult enough.
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I'm sure opinions will vary depending on type of bowler, that said, I kind of see myself as a medium speed medium rev type player. In other words, vanilla.
My ideal ball motion, that I do get lucky enough to see from time to time when my ball and the present condition happen to match up perfectly, could be best described as follows.
- generally easy and straight through the heads and mid lane. At some times I have situations where the ball starts grabbing very early and I have difficulty even starting it on the line I want.
-with the above in mind, it should still have a sense of control in the mids. I guess that is described by some as a reading of the midlane. I'd still say control because I'm not really looking for hook at this stage, just the look like it is confident in the path a set it on.
- I feel most confident when I can achieve a strong backend motion. Not so much flippy per se, but a very strong arc that steers itself into the pocket ( like a car in a demolition derby). This would ideally start late in the mids. Not a kick left, but rather like just an aggressive move that builds on the control I've gotten from the heads and mid. It gives someone like me a little bit more predictability of where it might end up as opposed to something that is very flippy. So mean, aggressive backend reminiscent of a flip, but maybe just a little more gradual turn to enhance the predictability of destination.
I generally don't play too far inside most of the time, but can when the stars align. To have a piece that gives me that shape from the jump and I'd feel like a god.
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The most desirable would be the ball motion thats most easily controllable and controllable of the pocket. For me I prefer the motion thats strong, but controllable. With that being said, that motion to me usually isn't throwing it from way inside to throwing it way outside to the gutter, but playing inside throwing from around 30 with my feet to throwing it to about the 10 board.
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Ideal ball motion for me would be consistent. By this I mean not turn dead left off of the pattern, and squirt the next shot. Be able to use to start the night with and stay with for most of the night. Not a hockey stick but defined, to get good entry angle. Some of the color schemes make it hard sometimes to see what the ball is doing on the back of the lane, so a easier to read color would be nice also.
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Phil,
It's taken me a while to figure out what works best for me in terms of surface preparation and actual lane conditions to be used on when I've used Radical equipment. It seems most of the stuff that's been released by Radical emphasizes going long and hooking hard on the back end. (That's essentially what you've gone on record saying.) For some people like myself who actually put a good bit of hand in the ball, that's fine but it also gets people like myself in a lot of trouble as lanes transition. (And I've worked on dialing back on my ball speed; I've gotten it down from the mid-18 mph range into the mid-17 mph range.)
That said, I'd like to see in a future Radical ball that has a slightly higher RG, say around the 2.51-2.53 range, and much lower differential, say in the mid-.020s, but is capable of being versatile because of its strong cover: a ball that you can actually play up the boards, but as necessary be able to swing it -- and not always on low oil volumes/dry conditions. I guess the kind of ball that I'm describing is a bit of an old school reactive (with a symmetric core), but I'm sure it could make some bowlers a LOT of money.
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Ideal ball motion would be a ball that has a controllable read from the midlane through the pin deck, but still pushes through the heads. This type of reaction is great for THS and also sport patterns as a multy use ball. Ideal would be that the cover would be able to handle med to med heavy oil.
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Id like to see a ball motion that still allows the ball to get down the lane a bit more and be even stronger on the backend on heavier oil conditions say like sports league or Regional PBA patterns. Id like to see it still hook a ton for your speed dominate bowlers as well as for your avg bowler as well. making this a pearl would be a a top selling ball IM sure. something like the Guru with a pearl cover though ;)
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The best ball motion would be one that you could use throughout a block with hand and speed changes. I like to see balls that pick up around 30-34 feet depending on the surface prep. When it clears the pattern, I like to see a defined move, but not a hockey stick motion. My med tilt and lower rotation allows the ball to keep energy going through the pins surprisingly. Everybody will have their own definition of what they want to see, but i suppose my ball motion is a benchmark type, but with just a touch more backend angle.
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The ball motion I look for is something that reads the mids, and is controllable into the pocket, meaning I don't want to see it jump left off the spot. Thus, something around 3,000-4,000 grit with a strong symmetrical core would be perfect. This motion is perfect for playing the track on a THS, and is very versatile throughout a variety of sport patterns.
This cover/core combination allows a player to change hand positions and speeds to get the ball to recover from all different parts of the lane.
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Hey Phil... You know what you guys should do? ;D
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I am still learning, but it may depend on the lane condition what motion would be ideal. The goal is to get an ideal entry angle ( 5 or 6 degrees ?) and have the ball rolling strong as it hits.
I would describe this motion, in general, as a fairly straight (mild mid-lane read)line over the target arrow all the way to the breakpoint, followed by a strong but controlled hooking motion towards the pocket, and finally a roll that continues without rolling out.
The key would be to have a ball with the longest window of optimum hit. Will the ball motion physics allow this?
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To me the ideal ball motion would be clean through the front and strong in the mid lane. Allowing the bowler to play straighter angles but still be able to move in and open up the lane if need be. The perfect ball would be versatile to multiple drilling possibilities. You guys are doing great things with Radical, can't wait to see what's next keep up the awesome job.
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Easy through the front, rev in the midlane and strong arc on the back.
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I would like to see a smooth rolling ball that does not overreact and is usable with multiple angles (left-to-right or down and in) and lane conditions.
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Phil, wouldn't it have ben easier to ask "what came first, the chicken or the egg"
What you ask is like yelling "fire" in the theatre. Everybody will react different.
But, a good starting point would be to copy the Brunswick Inferno Line.
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I want something clean and smooth through the front part of the lane, then make what I call a "slurve" on the back - more than an arc, but not a hard flip either. Something useable on a variety of shots - sport and THS, by someone who can manipulate their ball roll. Something that you can make go pretty straight if you are up the back and reduce some revs, but something that will allow you to open up the lane as it breaks down by adding axis rotation and hitting it a bit more.
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I wouldn't mind seeing a low rg low diferential core on a weaker pearl cover. Like (2.47, .030)
A ball that gets length from cover additives and starts up a little sooner in the midlane being smooth off of the dry
If you want any names you could use something like Patriot. You have the Grease Monkey's which I've seen appeal to people with car backgrounds. I think something along the lines of Patriot or other military-like names opens up your marketing to a large group of bowlers that happen to be Veterans
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A moderately weak to medium strength polished solid cover... with a strong low Rg core creating a heavy controllable arc that initially clears the heads and starts its motion in the mids.
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My house puts out a variation of stone street that breaks down very quickly. I've grown to like low end pearls that give a strong arc into the pocket, rather than the typical snappy low end balls.
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Hook sells. Big hook, go long and snap and keep hooking till the rack comes down.....
I enjoy this as much as anyone, but often find it can be feast or famine when it doesn't have to be.
BALL REACTION/SHAPE I like a ball that plays a little straighter. Allows me to play closer to the friction and picks up in the mid lane with a strong arc of continuation on the backend. As the lane breaks down I can make moves deeper into the oil while continuing to play the ball off the friction. Very controllable and easy to stay out of trouble. Not the biggest hooking ball in the bag but the most useful one.
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For me the ideal ball motion, being that I am a stroker, is a ball that will roll smooth. Pick up in the mids and have a nice arc to the pocket without over reacting to the dry.
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Like a good color. like a ball that can be used for 3 games and not change it's path to the pocket, like a ball that does not absorb too much oil in three games, like a ball that will not crack after 90 games, like a ball that will roll well on Medium conditions.
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I'm curious to know how the responses will be used to design a ball. If most of us describe the same motion, I don't know how one ball will give all of us that reaction as we all have different ball speeds, rev rates, bowl on different conditions etc. Maybe the idea is to design a line of balls that will afford the desired motion to various styles and conditions.
My preferred motion is clean through the heads, revs up in the mids and makes a continuous move on the back end. A ball that allows me to play a little straighter when needed or open up some and still carry.
Again, one ball will not create that motion on all conditions and for all bowlers. Surface adjustments can help span a few conditions and bowlers but not all...at least with the current way we look at bowling balls. Maybe the Radical team has more radical ideas brewing!
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So i would like your input. Tell me the ideal ball motion that is most desirable. Please do not use other balls as an example. I want you to describe the motion.
I will select 2 responses randomly. The first selected response will receive a Guru. The second will receive a Yeti Uncaged. Only one response per person. Multiple responses by the same person will disqualify you from the selection process.
Please be as descriptive as possible. It's your chance to help us develope a ball down the road.
Thanks
Phil
I think my ideal ball motion has already been described by others so it must be a common desire but here it is in my own words.
Long and strong. A ball motion that skids thru the front part (oil) and makes a defined move after it leaves the pattern and encounters the drier backends, what many refer to as the long hockey stick reaction. A ball that is designed for medium to light oil patterns as that is probably closest to what I bowl on and perhaps many others.
I can make almost any ball work on fresh oil, where I have problems is during transistion and afterwards. As the oil is removed in the front, the hockey stick becomes shorter and the ball ends up contacting too much of the head pin than I would prefer. As I move my feet and line deeper, I encounter too much oil for my low rev rate (200) and the ball will struggle to turn the corner - my hockey stick is too straight on the back end.
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A strong adaptable cover stock that displays a motion which goes long, turns left quickly and then transitions into roll as quick so it does not nose dive left of pocket.
This motion will allow tournament bowlers to play tight & inside with a short dry ramp to the pocket, while also allowing the league masses to stay in there preferred zone of near the track without feeling the need to make a jump move left into washout, or ball down & leave late 10's trying to stay in their comfort zone of the track area.
Thanks,
Gonz
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My desired ball reaction is a ball that gets through the heads well and starts to pick up in the mids and doesn't over react on the backend. I like to see the ball start to turn over about 2/3 of the way down with a definate strong arc on the end. You don't want the ball to left turn on the end because when that happens you start to leave ringing 10's or if the ball is a little higher in the pocket 4 pins or 9 pins.
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Everybody can call me old school on this but here it goes anyway:
For me the most desired ball reaction would be one that clears the heads well enough to retain energy for the move downlane. The ball would have a smooth reaction to the friction, that creates a consistent and continued motion through the pins.
Hook potential should be middle of the road, to promote its versitility of most bowlers on the THS found in today's game. This way people will buy and use the ball more. A specialized piece (for heavy or dry conditions) will only see limited exposure during sport or tournament conditions, or even the dry.
It's extremely difficult to market a ball as this in today's times. Since most is wanting the 'hook in a box' or the 'left turn Clyde' products.
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I would like to see something from radical that goes long and straight then makes that left turn. Don't worry about the mids just shoot long and turn left. For medium, medium-light conditions. Really looking for length some of those famous additives to help get the ball farther down the lane and retaining energy on slightly lighter or transitioned conditions.
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My inspiration...now that i am fresh off a birthday, Top shelf drink, equal parts...
Even skid, even hook, even roll, definitely middle of the road. THE ball everyone has to have, its numbers that define its motion, "truly even." Its look will be undeniably unique in colors and logo.
Not a benchmark of the past, but one of the future. How today's bowler reads the lanes. It's time to stop re-using the past..design something 110% new, unique, even, benchmark. With a campaign to get the ball into every center in america, everyone will know of this ball!
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My ideal ball motion is even. The easiest way i can put it. I want to see the ball move in a controlled continuous arc from start to finish. The second a ball starts to slide or jump, it goes back into my bag. The more even a ball reaction, the easier it is to dial in.
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For me the best ball motion is when I see the ball digging-biting-scatching hard in the midlane. The midlane is not the table setter or the end result, but the true heart of a balls motion.
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The ideal ball motion that is most desirable for me will be described from two POVs.
When I bowl and see the ball going down the lane from the foul line, I want to see it get through the heads cleanly with no reading of the lane at all (the first 15 feet), then start to flare in the mid-lane and begin to 'read' the oil pattern, and then I like to see the ball 'rev up' as it loses speed into the friction at the break point so that it gets into a heavy roll before it hits the pins. Once it hits the pins, I like to watch the ball roll straight through the pins, where I don't want to see the ball deflect off the head pin and go to the right of the 5 pin (RH bowler).
From my team mate's POV, he likes to see my ball "skid, rip and flip", so from where he is watching it skids down the lane, rips up the mid lane and then flips over at the breakpoint accelerating into the pocket.
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Ideal ball motion is one that clears the heads without any loss of speed, revolutions, or axis tilt/rotation. Once reaching the midlane, the ball begins to slow a touch, lose a bit of rotation, and at least visually appear to increase revolutions. At the end of the pattern, the ball slows down, loses remaining rotation and tilt, transitions into a very defined heavy roll. The motion off the end of the pattern is a very strong change of direction, but not snappy. The proverbial "hard arc" motion.
Since this is idealized, I'm going to also envision at least 8 pins falling ;-).
Scott
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I really like the predictable reaction/motion. Skid, hook, roll with a nice read in the mids with a strong arc break point. For me a ball that doesn't jump off the back of the lane is preferred with my medium ball speed and low to medium rev rate. Regardless of lane conditions, I find a readable ball more to my liking and it makes adjustments easier.
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I like a ball that is clean thru the heads with a good mid lane read plus a real good back end that does not deflect but drive thru the pins. Also when the ball hit the pins,keep the pin low instead of flying around or over. A ball that you can use on different lane condition with out changing the cover of the ball. And color of the ball that is not clashing to the eye and be bright plus color change when you hold it to the light.
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So i would like your input. Tell me the ideal ball motion that is most desirable. Please do not use other balls as an example. I want you to describe the motion.
I will select 2 responses randomly. The first selected response will receive a Guru. The second will receive a Yeti Uncaged. Only one response per person. Multiple responses by the same person will disqualify you from the selection process.
Please be as descriptive as possible. It's your chance to help us develope a ball down the road.
Thanks
Phil
I like a ball that will clear the heads well without having the big booming backend. With so many hook monsters on the market; it a a breath of fresh air when even someone with a high rev rate can square up on light to medium patterns. A lot of the "weaker balls" are coming out with high flare potential.
With all that said........an entry level hybrid with medium RG and lower diff. Clean, later read of the midlane, and a not-too-smooth but not-too-angular backend motion.
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Rookie attempt......
Clean thu the front, a semi strong read of the mids, and nice smooth arcing roll on the back end. Basically, something not to jumpy and not to early for those of us with less hand and have trouble playing to far in.
Thanks for the opportunity
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A clean strong arcing motion. 8)
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With what Radical has offered thus far, I agree a hole is missing for a lower rg, lower diff ball. I could see that couple with a stronger cover combo. For instance, the Version 2 solid and pearl covers wrapped around a Symmetric weight block. Those balls would be clean and great all around for the tournament bowler.
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I like a ball motion that is hockey stick in theory but not so angular. I like a ball that goes long, gets in its roll and just keeps coming, getting stronger where you think if the pins weren't there, the ball would do a u-turn but without the ball looking like somebody in the right channel kicked the ball to the left. In other words, forget the assymetrical core for me. I roll Radical now with the Yeti Untamed as the first ball out of my bag. Just love it and its fellow Radical balls. Keep up the good work, Phil.
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For me, i like to see a ball that reads the midlane then pops off the end of the pattern with a strong move but not at right angles. Once it breaks to the pocket the ball needs continue strong through the pin-deck keeping the pins low. I like to be shooting through 12-15 out to 7-10 in a perfect world but adjusting the line to suit the lane condition is always needed which is why i like the the strong motion off the end of the pattern. This allows me to to tighten or open up my shot where needed. If the ball is reading the mid lane and making the move off the pattern it makes for a versatile ball which helps with scoring and thats what we all want :)
Thanks
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The Ideal ball motion is the one that rolls 36 strikes in roll ;D
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I need something that will be clean through the heads, picks up a bit midlane, then a strong, continuous move on the back end. Coverstock flexibility would be huge.
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Something that gives a lot of length downlane without an overreaction off the dry while maintaining strong carry through the pins.
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I like a ball that's smooth and will give me not a big curve but a gradual turn .it needs to act like a dry lane ball for length but not jump on the back.if that's possible.
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As a higher rev, higer speed bowler I am looking for something that will fit my style.
I would like something that is contollable. I a smoother arcing ball that will get through the heads (although that usually isn't a problem), starts to pick up in the midlane to help counteract the speed and will then make a smooth turn to the pocket without sliding too far past my breakpoint. I want a cover that is adaptable, meaning if I hit a shot with higher volume or added length I can scuff it to 1000 or 500 and see that same motion as the lower grit cover picks up. And when I hit a lighter volume or shorter pattern, I can shine it up to give it the added length I need but it won't turn into a huge hockey stick reaction, still relatively smooth. And the biggest thing I want is a ball that will react to what I do to it. Along with the cover changes I don't want a core so overpowering that I can't change hand positions and not see any difference in the shots. Is all that possible, probably not, but in a perfect world, that is what I want.
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My favorite shot is straight up 3 board. The ball motion that gives best carry. The problem is that balls that roll well on the usually are bothered by carry down.
My next shot is 18 to 6 (arrow to breakpoint). I hate over/under and prefer an earlier read if posible and still get good carry.
I hate playing up 13. I hate balls that are too easy to throw through the break point.
i am not a throw bot so someething that isn't too jumpy is best. I am an average guy so it needs to move well at 300 rpm and 50 degrees rotation.
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I like the low flaring, smooth arcing, control/benchmark ball that is playable on most conditions.
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I would like Radical to come out with a urethane ball to round out my bag. Right now in the bag I have a Grease Monkey, Grease Monkey POW, Yeti Unleashed, and a Score. At Home I have a Reax 2 Pearl and a Reax 2. I have a Motiv Artic Sniper for severe over under on medium to dry shots. I actually brought the surface to 4,000 and it rolls much better. I tried a Urethane Karma and didn't get the desired reaction as a spare ball and flying back ends. This allows me to stay right of the heavy handed guys throwing Top Shelf sanded balls blowing a hole in the middle of the pattern.
Thanks for asking the consumer,
CB
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I would suggest something for burnt heads and dry backends. I see this shot so much in tournaments. Something that would be a steady motion not the skid snap, but a smooth rolling cover stock. One that is more arcing. Maybe a weak reactive cover stock. I have been searching but I still haven't found this for me. I think you cover the heavy oil, league patterns, and medium oil great. Just looking for that final ball to cover this. Most of the tournament I have gone this year have went light oil and every ball I have hooks more that it supposed too. Tired of lofting the left gutter cap and using the 10 board 40 feet down the lane as my break point. This was a torrid affair I normally play 25-15 on a house shot. Ball reaction would be something that will over come the lack of oil in the heads but not over react on the on the dry backends something that if you throw it harder doesn't hook back that much stronger.
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I prefer a ball that has an arcing motion, not a snap, with strong continuation through the pins.
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I prefer balls that Arc the smother the better.
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Always liked really smooth controllable reactions. Never liked the look of stuff going sideways like it was kicked at the end of the pattern. That's not to say I like it early rolling though. Something smooth and clean through the fronts and even on the back end.
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To me, the best bowling balls are all about useability and userfriendliness. There are times when we need the ball to dig in at our feet, and there are times when we need skid-flip, but the best ball motion in my book is the one that you can use in tournaments and league alike, and that starts with midlane control.
I love bowling balls that clear the heads but really dig in firmly in the midlane, something that gives you the confidence that you can maintain speed without having to worry about the ball squirting on you and shooting past the breakpoint. Now, sadly, sometimes that midlane dig causes the ball to expend too much energy early, leaving the backend flat, which results in poor continuation and pin carry. These balls are normally labeled "benchmark balls." They are good for reading patterns, but they tend not to be the pieces you really go to if you're looking to score. As such, they tend to only truly be appreciated by tournament players.
However, if you can get a ball to dig into the mids firmly yet still provide a smooth, rounded, continuous arc that stays true through the pin deck, I think you've got a real winner on your hands. I've found a few of these balls over the years, but they tend to be few and far between.
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I prefer something that is low flaring, smooth and controllable, ball that is playable on most conditions and takes well to surface adjustments if needed.
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I'd like a smooth, controllable, ball which arcs. Preferably low to med flare potential.
Cover should be user friendly, and easily adaptable to surface changes. If it gives the impression of just steadily, "walking to the pocket" ......that's the ball for me.
I don't like all these "quick-flip" reactions since I don't have the ball speed to accompany that flip reaction. A slow move at the break point is what I prefer.
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The Ideal bowling ball reaction......
For me the ideal ball reaction would give you the best of all features and in my opinion that would be adequate skid to get you down the lane with a very strong but controllable read in the mid-lane and even stronger finish at the pocket. This ball would be ideal for both men and women and would have a surface that could be tailored to fit all styles of bowlers. But I feel out the box it should be tailored to the average bowler with matched speeds in the 14-16mph range with an average rev rate. A player that has a lot of hand can make any ball move so for them covering boards is usually not an issue but what I usually see in most houses I bowl in or in tournaments is when there is a moderate volume of oil on the lanes the guy with not all that much hand struggles for the first game if the conditions are not right, myself included. What we need is a ball that gives us our confidence back without having to alter our style of play. We need a ball that we can throw and say damnnnn that ball came back from there????? And yet give us a smooth overall reaction that lets the ball get back to the pocket even when you can't tell it's moving like it just magically floats to the pocket and you don't know how it got there it just got there. This is ball that is strong yet controllable for all styles of play and makes a good bowler feel great and a great bowler feel invincible.
That is the ideal ball reaction.
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The Ideal Ball motion for what I see on a day to day basis.
Rev Rate 400-425 ball speed 16.5 monitor low tilt 25-30 axis rotation.
This season my beloved heavy shot has been replaced with a shorter pattern and the back ends are starting to show some wear generating more traction.
What I would love to see is a ball that could get through the heads and mid lane and provide a medium strong arc off the dry as opposed to a skid snap reaction.
Something that maybe would help us low tilt bowlers hold off the hook a little longer but not explode on the back end.
I and many others get caught with balls that hold off then either hockey stick late or burn up and do nothing (typical over/under)
In this era of MOAR HOOK, I find myself struggling to find a ball that wont over/under or just has to much overall/early hook. The rare ball I find that shows this motion seems to lack any carry power, and has a tendency to leave a lot of 10 pins.
So roll all that in 1 ball and I guess I be an even bigger fan of Mo and Phil!
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Enough bite in the mids to get the ball started. Quick response when it hits the dry so the core stands up and reacts the same way time after time. If that is present it's only a matter of tuning the surface.
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The ideal ball motion is the one that gets a strike. My favorite one is when I can play 13 at the arrows to 9-10 at break point. It's my favorite because you are around the middle of the lane you and are in the best place to see the entire ball path. You can see it sliding and spinning out to 10, slowly grab the lane and roar back through the pocket spinning the pins off the deck.
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Clean through the heads, reading the pattern in the mid-lane, making a positive move to the pocket with no surprises and with good continuation through the pocket, splitting the 8 pin and 9 pin going off the back of the lane with all of the pins cleanly off the back of the pin deck for a crushing strike.
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For me the best ball movement is less but later hook than most balls being made now, something that I can play close to the oil line on a THS but still have enough power to carry. I'm using a Dynothane Energy for this purpose now. -- JohnP
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My ideal ball motion would be:
1) the ball easily revs and skids through the heads (I bowl on wood lanes)
2) the ball does not read the lane or mid-lane too soon (saves energy for back end)
3) the ball has easy length with a strong arcing motion to the pocket
4) the ball does not wait too late to make its move to the pocket
5) the ball drives well through the pin deck with minimal deflection
6) the ball does not over-react on drier back ends
7) the ball does not over-skid on medium to medium-heavy patterns
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I'd like to get 100 responses than close the thread and give the balls away. Push some other posters for their opinions.
Thanks
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I prefer one long continuous arch starting just past the heads through the pin deck. No left-hand turn at the end of the pattern but a controlled move would be nice.
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First off I prefer solids to pearls and hybrids. I have always had an over/under reaction from pearls/hybrids.
Second, I like higher rg balls to help push through the heads. I have a lower ball speed (15+) with above average revs. This makes the ball want to pick up real quick without the push.
Higer diff stuff creates lots of angle that I do not like to play. My best reaction comes from diffs between .035 and .045. Anything less and I get over under from needing to play in the dry more and any more causes me to move too deep and I hang corners all day long.
Hope this helps
3835
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I'd like to get 100 responses than close the thread and give the balls away. Push some other posters for their opinions.
Thanks
I'll add something Phil. If you look at BTM's graph at the bottom of the page and this is not copyrighted material either. http://www.bowlingthismonth.com/ball-manufacturer/radical/
We all see that Radical's mainstay balls are all on the stronger side both the original Torrid and Torrid Elite on the lower end of total hook are discontinued. Hence Radical's lower entry level or EZ Use are at 49 total Hook (Original Grease Monkey) and above and most are way above. For the average speed semi rev dominant bowler even with special layouts ala 90*x2.50"x50 low flare layouts on stronger balls ie. Rev2 in the line up many can't use Radical. Maybe this is because Big B has other equipment in it's line up ie. Strike King, Ringers, LT-48??? But, I see it if using all Radical this is a huge hole in the Radical line-up. This is where many of us would like to se a new ball. The Score is too high a total hook ball for many as a benchmark piece. I'd like to see a new EZ Use ball. Or proprietors need to put out more volume and blend so we can use these hook monsters that every manufacturer puts out now a days. My stats. are in profile and believe I am more average as are the majority I know. Many are left out of using the Radical line
BTW....I am using an original MOtion holed Yeti as my medium ball and love the ball and layout. The original Yeti is about on par with the EZ Use line of balls. http://radicalbowling.com/balls/compare
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What I would like to see is something smooth and rolly.
Something where the transition phases are stretched out so that the ball doesn't go so quickly from skid to hook, and hook to roll.
For me, many modern balls tend to transition "all at once", so to speak, especially balls with high diffs, which tends to make them hard to read, predict, and adjust to.
A nice solid aggressive cover, with low to mid RG's, and a Diff in the .20-.25 range could be nice. And make it symmetric too, or at least a VERY weak asymmetric ( below.O5 )
I mean, most of us do a lot of THS bowling, and you don't need .060 diff with .18 MB strength on a top hat, do you?
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Would love a Grease Monkey core in a milder cover for those with slower release speeds of excessive rev dominance.
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I like two basic ball paths/ball reactions.
1. If I am playing further outside, roughly 2nd arrow and out, at the arrows, I prefer an even arcing path/reaction; maybe something that goes about 40 feet and then gently arcs to the pocket.
2. If I am playing deeper, maybe 13/14 at the arrows further inside, I prefer a hard arc, just shy of a hockey stick or a skid/flip reaction, with a continuous backend.
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The ideal ball motion for me is one that goes long and straight through the heads and mids, conserving energy. Once it reaches the friction at the exit point, makes a smooth but hard arc, releasing the energy when it crushes the pins and continues through the pin deck.
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The ideal ball motion that is most desirable is one which blends out the transition and breakdown of oil on the lanes. Far too often bowlers enjoy the hook in a box or nasty snap at the breakpoint only to find their scores undesirable!!
A motion that READS the pattern and allows the proper entry angle with HIT at the pins will be a bowler's best friend.
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The ideal ball motion would be one that skids, hooks, and rolls in a predictable manner.
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Radical has done a great job designing cores that consider the post drilling specs. Radical has also done a great job creating very continuous ball motions. But like someone else mentioned, the diversity in the hook potentials is lacking, and as far as I'm concerned, the reaction shapes are all very similar. If you took unmarked test balls from various different companies, I'd bet I could pick out the Radical equipment fairly easily regardless of coverstock type or surface prep, as it all has a very trademark roll and reaction. I wouldn't consider this a bad thing though, the shot shape is very good and very effective.
My ideal ball reaction is one that has been achieved by Radical with a few different balls. Something that blends transitions. The vast majority of house patterns are extremely wet/dry, whether from left to right or at the end of the pattern. A ball motion that still has traction in oil but doesn't stand up or burn too quickly on dry is my favorite type of reaction. Not for the purpose of creating miss room, but for the purpose of giving the bowler back some control. While I definitely advise people with the newer equipment to let the ball do the work because that's what it's designed for, some newer balls almost do TOO much of the work and can limit extremely talented bowlers or force them to switch balls more than they really need to instead of the ball being a tool for them to manipulate. Obviously you still have to use the right tool for the job, but sometimes tools can be so specialized that they limit themselves to few uses. It seems like the more skilled the craftsman, the simpler the tools are that they use.
Honestly, I think of Radical as a better Brunswick. What is really missing is something with a true quick response to friction that isn't super sensitive. Even supposed skid/snap balls from any Brunswick brand really don't do much more than create a hard arc. I don't see anything with an honestly clean, defined transition in any one of the lines. That being said, I still reiterate that my favorite reaction shape is one that blends sharp transitions, but when you run into soft transitions or need some punch, the smooth reaction of the Radical line sometimes gets too smooth and punchless.
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My ideal motion, especially around my neck of the woods(a dearth of oil volume), is length plus a smooth controlled backend motion. Usually, I have to drill down and/or polish up, most equipment to achieve this motion, with a few rare exceptions. Most of the equipment I'm happy with is low-to-medium differential, with covers adjusted as needed to suit my needs.
Now, when I travel to tournaments outside my local area, I need a bit stronger equipment(more diff, more surface, or both), but I still like the same overall smooth, controlled, reaction. But I don't travel to tourneys as much as I used to :(, so my travel arsenal is smaller than it used to be.
drillbit
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The best type of ball motion is something that can glide through the front part of the lane, still is able to read the midlane strong, and provide a very continuous drive through the pins. I like being able to control the breakpoint so anything that isn't too uncontrollable off the end of the pattern usually is a winner for me.
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77 post, I'd lie to get to 100 and than select 2 winners. need a few more opinons
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Since I dont really see heavy oil, a smooth reaction down the lane to the breakpoint, then a continous roll from the end of the pattern to the pins.
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I would love a new ball that worked as well as my Brunswick Ultimate Inferno. I love a ball that you can use on a wide variety of shots by just changing lines or speed. I could use that ball on so many shots and was basically the only ball I used for a year or so. Sad to say that it just died and a resurfacing and de-oiling couldn't bring it back. I'm using all DV8 equipment now and really enjoy the looks they give me. I like a ball that you can play outside with, but not lose carry if I have to switch it up and play deeper inside.
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I probably throw a little slower than a lot of people that post here, around 12-13 mph, and I think something that would allow me to stand far left and swing the ball, without having to throw too much harder to keep it in the pocket.
I can throw a lot harder than that, but I seem to lose accuracy when I do, and I think that when the lanes break down and I have to keep moving left, I cannot throw hard enough to keep the ball where it needs to be to continue to hit the pocket.
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My ideal ball motion would be best described as easy length with a hard arc. My biggest issue tends to come from hitting up on the ball causing the ball to read early and hard at the end of the pattern. Any ball that blends the transition off the end of the pattern allows me some additional room for error in speed, release, and accuracy. Ideally I want to see my ball reach the end of the pattern, smoothly read the dry, and finish hard enough to kick out the corners. Pearls tend to read to hard off the dry for me, while solids read too early and roll out.
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I've love a ball that's effortless thru the heads with strong revs middle to late midlane. One that turns over and faces up with a strong distinct (no doubt) arc movement and finishes like an A10-Warthog on a strafing run. Visualize the ball charging around the corner like one of those 200mph cars at a high walled Nascar event (hard arc not flip).
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My preferred ball motion is a one that is consistent.
I like the ball to clear thru the arrows with ease.
Starting to slow down around 30-35ft so it can grab the lane better.
This will get the ball to set up for its motion towards the pocket.
I then want the ball to enter at a decent enough of a entry angle to make the pins stay low and make them go side ways instead of straight back.
While this is going on I want the ball to finish consistently splitting between the 8-9 hole off the back of the deck.
As for color of the ball I prefer solids.
Less distraction/fancy but I also understand multicolors will/can sell the product better.
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my preferred ball motion is control with good back end...i don't really like skid flip...a ball that controls the lane and then still has back end has always been huge for me....great balls for this is grease monkey,torrid affair...and on occasion my guru
mike farrar
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15 more posts and we will give away 2 balls. Let your forum friends know.
Phil
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Phil, As the volume of oil gets lighter, the backends get stronger and I get older it gets to be a challenge to stay competitive. With my ball speed diminishing I am now rev dominant. I would like to see a ball that would probably be classified as a "tournament" bag ball for the younger players with ample speed and revs but would be considered the "first ball out of the bag" for those of us that don't have the speed but still have the revs. There are many "entry" level type balls on the market but they sacrifice hitting/carry power at the pins so I wind up buying a Guru and Score and try via drilling options and different grit/polishes to try to make them work. Nine times out of ten they are still too strong or I have made them very over/under. So I would like a ball for the rev dominant/speed challenged type of bowler that would be able to use this ball for your THS, control thru the heads/mids, smooth arcing motion on the back with enough core strength to carry the corners.
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JS
I can relate to that. I have figured out that I can make some of the new stuff work by using a 65 X 4 3/4 X 35 and than polish it on top of box finish. I do make it very shiny . I have had great success the last few weeks using this drilling. I am now able to use the Guru and Score as well as the Reax version 2 solid.
But that doesn't mean to say your suggestion won't be considered. ;)
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Question is, what is the most desirable ball motion?
In general, I like a ball motion that is early enough to be used on fresh patterns and not too late to not be used when moving inside. I have a lot of issues where I bowl with control early in the set with the horrible and dramatic cliffs of oil in our pattern. But as the night progresses, the shape that allowed the control off the end of the pattern is no longer able to recover with enough oomph to carry. I now have to change balls to provide me the proper carry. Too often I see bowler's ball not slowing down enough. They would rather see the dramatic snap at the end of the pattern even if it means less carry potential.
Typically, the first ball is some sort of solid and the second ball a pearl. But as we know, it is all in how the surface is prepared now-a-days. Perhaps a core that generates early movement to allow control on the wet/dry patterns and a cover that allows the added length and fast reaction to friction later in the set. Differential wise, nothing too high so the bowler doesn't have to have severe launch angles and keep the shot in front of them.
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Something to mimic the roll of the Break S75, that plays on the same conditions. I don't about what core it uses, what the color is, as long it does the same thing and doesnt end up cracking on me.
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skid flip with an extremely strong deflection free continuation through the pins
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JS
I can relate to that. I have figured out that I can make some of the new stuff work by using a 65 X 4 3/4 X 35 and than polish it on top of box finish. I do make it very shiny . I have had great success the last few weeks using this drilling. I am now able to use the Guru and Score as well as the Reax version 2 solid.
But that doesn't mean to say your suggestion won't be considered. ;)
Thanks for the reply Phil. I don't want to hijack this thread but I do have a question that may benefit others on here (it's always great to get someone with your knowledge and expertise on these forums).
My Guru and Score are very close to your layout; I used 45 x 4 7/8 x 30. My Yeti Uncaged is 80 x 3 1/2 x 60 and my Gusto 85 x 5 x 50.
Now, here's my question. If I was to use a 65 x 4 3/4 x 35 layout that would put the mass bias in my thumb. Any problem or issues with drilling into the mass bias?
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Quick first transition from skid to hook, delayed transition from hook to roll.
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No issues. Actually the mb on mine fall just under the thumb. But still no issue if it falls in the thumb
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skid....hook.....roll. For me, I need a little more skid and a little more hook with a little less roll.
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I dream of a ball which I can use to bowl up the boards (roughly 2-7) on flatter medium patterns. This ball glides through the heads, starts to read in mid midlane and then moves steadily inwards towards board 17 in the dry. Medium strength coverstock and a medium RG core with an RG diff around .40.
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Need just 4 more opinions and we will give away a ball to 2 different posters selected randomly.
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Honestly, my ideal ball motion is to be relatively smooth through the head oil, gain traction at the end of the pattern, but not go go sideways. I want a strong move, but a hook not a flip. I would love to see a strong roll through the pin deck with very little deflection. A motion that looks to actually accelerate after the break and not stop until it leaves the pin-deck.
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Since surface has such a huge impact on ball motion an the fact that not all balls fit every style of player since each player is unique, I think a ball that has the greatest drilling versatility and ease of coverstock adjustments. Put your favorite drill pattern on and tweak coverstock to your liking.
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I have perhaps a little different perspective than others. Being a lefty, I generally spend more time playing more direct through the front, with a smaller launch angle, and don't have as much friction at the breakpoint.
Like everyone else, I think the ball must get through the heads. Nobody wants a ball that hooks at their feet.
I prefer a ball with a good midlane read. Something "roll-y", usually with a shorter, fatter type of core. This gives me more control of the midlane, and usually a more predictable breakpoint. I generally get into trouble with something that completely ignores the lane until it gets to the breakpoint. Sometimes it will jump, but other times it can have a tendency to "squirt", leaving a variety of designer spares.
From the breakpoint to the pins, I prefer more of a strong arc. I realize the sharp, "Oh my God, did you see that?" reaction is sexier, but I prefer long, boring strings of "ten in the pit" over the occasional thunderous, messenger-flying hits mixed in with "What the heck is that?". And since I'm normally playing less launch angle, having a huge recovery and excessive entry angle is not necessary.
The ball must have some coverstock versatility, so solids or hybrids seem to work better. It is a rare pearl that can give enough of a midlane read. The core must be able to give a good variety of post-drilling differentials and reactions, but since that's a given with all the Radical designs I can't believe that would be an issue.
Anyway, thanks for the opportunity. It's always refreshing to see a company that is actually interested in what the end user thinks.
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Tomf
Great feedback. Thanks for the input. We do really care about the consumer. Best of Luck
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Ideal ball motion for me is if I look at the half moon. I want even shape almost the entire way down the lane, but without what one would consider "roll-out" Ball still has to go through the pins, tip through the pins, whatever you want to call it. But I don't like hockey sticks, and I have really liked the Radical brand for this control factor. So I guess this would be different than a typical ball reaction because there would be minimal skid phase, more hook phase and less roll.
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I like a ball that doesn't so much flip as it does stand up and then roll hard with a strong, continuous arc towards the pocket. I especially want the ball to appear to rev up after it turns towards the pocket. I'm a bit speed dominant so I generally use a stronger cover (strong pearls, solids, strong hybrids) as weak pearls get too squirty and I can neither consistently hit the breakpoint very well nor control the flip when it's too flippy and aggressive.
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I know Im out of the 100 guys to reply, but something i would like to see in a ball is a small core but assymetric which help the ball to get a nice lenght and a massive back end, maybe sanded on the cover to help it be more controlable result: Benchmark ball for any type of oil since you will get massive back end, nice roll and control thru the midlane part.
Something that allows to play deeply and play straighter.
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I am a lower revs/speed stroker whose "a" game is down the outside.
I can make a strong reactive ball hook the lane but if I have to chase the oil line left witn the crankers and the new equipment that ball companies are putting out I cannot compete. My option is to move right with an older reactive piece or urethane.
I'm looking for natural length and a modest, predictable back end motion. Something with a strong enough cover to allow for conditions where they oil outside the first arrow, but not so strong that I can't stay outside when the pattern is opened up.. Think urethane but something that doesn't roll as early.
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Just curious. Who were the two lucky guys who won the balls?
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I love a nice controlled arc. I love having that ball and reaction where no matter how much a get it at the bottom of the swing it just doesn't over react. I like to call it the stroke. I get that motion and feeling its over! ;)
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I haven't selected the winners yet. It will be a random draw. Been busy with the new launches. Will select after the 10th
Still taking more opinions until than.
Thanks
Phil
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With having higher speed and a higher rev rate, the thing I love to see is a ball that is clean through the front part of the lane and reads the midlane well. Once it hits the midlane, I want to see a nice controlled arc but have something that stores energy well and is continuous in back.
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I am a speed dominant player; for me, an ideal reaction is controlled angularity. Skid flip is just too inconsistent to score. Getting the right layout and the right show to match up is the challenge.
On heavier shots, I've been getting that result with a solid, higher pin about 2" above ring, and a MB right of thumb with no x-hole. On shots where I need a bit more length, I've been going with a pin barely lower than ring and 1.5" right, MB down and slightly left, a longer pin length, and a robust lower x-hole. This allows me to create more area but not the wacky flippy reaction.
Guru/Yeti/Yeti Untamed (on the way)
Black Widow Legend/No Mercy Beat'n/Virtual Gravity Nano/Marvel-S
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Personally, being a speed dominant player with average to low revs, I love to see a ball that goes clean trough the fronts with a good midlane read, I love smooth, predictable balls. Being a lefty I can bowl almost in the same spot for all night, without needing to open the lane or my angle, so I usually don't need to change balls or shape in order to hit the pocket.
As every other bowler, we all want to know what the ball is gonna do and how is gonna react, a consistent motion, skid/flip can be too jumpy and even if it looks pretty cool is not as consistent as a long arc. For me those are the keys of a sucessful ball.
A controllable, smooth (I know, I said smooth a lot lol), a ball that you can clearly see go through the 3 phases: skid, hook, roll – smoothly. Personaly I like solids more than pearl or even hybrids, they seem to be more versatile and they can have surface adjustments easily.
Thanks for taking the time to read all of our responses! I am by no means an expert, just an average bowler who loves to ball at all times and someone who everyday is getting more into the game. I just love it. I hope my opinion can help!
Thanks!
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Newguy,
if I may chime in. I really like the smooth overall roll of a ball, no hockey stick type reaction. The hockey stick is nice sometimes, but more often that not I get into trouble with it. Pearls seems to always want to push for me just a tad too much and have a tendency to over/under me to death, even with surface on the pearl.
Hope this helps somewhat
WOWZERS
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I am a fan of the hockey stick reaction. Basically, skid for 38 feet, trasition for 2-3 feet, then snap to pins.
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I like skid slurve! Not to be confused with Rev slurve!
Regards,
Luckylefty
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My favorite ball motion is one that is very controllable and picks up in a heavy roll on the back end. I am not a big fan of skid/snap or hockey stick shape. They are good sometimes but can lead to more trouble. My all time favorite ball is the Brunswick Original Inferno with a pin down layout. I could basically play on any pattern with that ball. It was very controllable but had a strong roll on the back end. It would allow me to read the pattern more and see the transition better. I have also been a big fan of the Radical Yeti and Brunswick Meanstreak Brawler with a MOtion hole. They both provide the same reaction as the Inferno. The MOtion hole drilling on those balls proved me with the controlled reaction and a strong continuous motion through the pin deck.
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Hello newguy! Just curious... Have you chose the two lucky guys? ;D
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Not yet. Having some computer issues. I will select them tomorrow if all goes well.
Thanks for the support
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Good luck fixing those computer issues. I had to reinstall everything on my Mac this last weekend and it was a nightmare. Lost a lot of files, pics, etc. so I've been there :-\
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I still have my Original Inferno 15#, even though I have dropped to #14. The only older ball of mine I won't give up.
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As a high rev medium speed bowler snappy balls leave splits for me. The perfect ball rolls early with smooth backend. Lower differential and rg medium strength coverstock. Something to be used as a benchmark ball
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high RG (2.55ish) low diff. (0.035ish) w/ medium cover would be great...
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The motion for this ball is go thru the front part of the lanes cleanly with out hooking early. Then as the ball reach middle of the lane with a good mid lane read saving energy for a explosive backend keeping the pins low for great scoring.
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Winners of the Need your opinion thread are
Gizmo823 choice of a Guru or the Guru Mighty
S1nger1 Grease Monkey Whack
Congratulation's and thank you all for your input we are working on implementing your suggestions into a future ball the launch.
The majority of the responses asked for a ball that was smooth and controllable yet continued and was not jumpy or skid flippy. Worked ideally on medium conditions.
thanks again for all the support
Phil
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Thanks for the interaction Phil C....the freebies were the cherries on top and something that everyone should be grateful for. Not many ball companies come on here and offer up a ball or 2....so thanks for the opportunity!
WOWZERS
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Thanks for the opportunity Phil
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Winners of the Need your opinion thread are
Gizmo823 choice of a Guru or the Guru Mighty
S1nger1 Grease Monkey Whack
Congratulation's and thank you all for your input we are working on implementing your suggestions into a future ball the launch.
The majority of the responses asked for a ball that was smooth and controllable yet continued and was not jumpy or skid flippy. Worked ideally on medium conditions.
thanks again for all the support
Phil
Funny that the winner is a Pro Shop Manager and a Storm Staffer. LOL
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Winners of the Need your opinion thread are
Gizmo823 choice of a Guru or the Guru Mighty
S1nger1 Grease Monkey Whack
Congratulation's and thank you all for your input we are working on implementing your suggestions into a future ball the launch.
The majority of the responses asked for a ball that was smooth and controllable yet continued and was not jumpy or skid flippy. Worked ideally on medium conditions.
thanks again for all the support
Phil
Funny that the winner is a Pro Shop Manager and a Storm Staffer. LOL
+1
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No sure how that is funny, but the selection was a random draw. I hope the Storm staffer try's it out and get a feel for how good Radical really is.
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Winners of the Need your opinion thread are
Gizmo823 choice of a Guru or the Guru Mighty
S1nger1 Grease Monkey Whack
Congratulation's and thank you all for your input we are working on implementing your suggestions into a future ball the launch.
The majority of the responses asked for a ball that was smooth and controllable yet continued and was not jumpy or skid flippy. Worked ideally on medium conditions.
thanks again for all the support
Phil
Funny that the winner is a Pro Shop Manager and a Storm Staffer. LOL
Maybe Gizmo will give it to another user or sell it for profit.......
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No sure how that is funny, but the selection was a random draw. I hope the Storm staffer try's it out and get a feel for how good Radical really is.
Not funny as in Ha Ha funny. Funny in that a guy who gets his equipment at a reduced price from being a shop manager and/or free from being a staffer of a different company and can't use it anyway. Maybe "ironic" would be a better choice instead of funny.
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No sure how that is funny, but the selection was a random draw. I hope the Storm staffer try's it out and get a feel for how good Radical really is.
Not funny as in Ha Ha funny. Funny in that a guy who gets his equipment at a reduced price from being a shop manager and/or free from being a staffer of a different company and can't use it anyway. Maybe "ironic" would be a better choice instead of funny.
Ah now I get it, It never dawned on me that a competitors staffer would post. But random selection is random selection.
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I'm about the unluckiest person on the planet, so to win something is actually pretty cool. Won't be selling it for profit, not that kind of guy, I'll find an interesting or fun contest to make it a prize in or something. And yeah I'm a Storm staffer, but I'm still objective, it would be ignorant to try and say Storm is the best and everything else is junk. Now I'm very happy with my Storm stuff, but it would be inaccurate if I didn't say that the Radical line and especially the two Gurus are extremely impressive. If I wasn't honest about what I thought 100% of the time, no one would have any reason to believe anything I say about my Storm equipment either, plus I'm still a pro shop operator, I have a responsibility to my customers to sell them what they need, not just what I want to sell. Thanks Phil and Radical, the ball won't be just turned around to make a quick buck, I'll "share the love" and someone will end up with a great new ball!
Actually have an idea, a buddy of mine has a step-sister that got some kind of bacterial infection a couple weeks ago and is now in a coma and unresponsive, they were trying to raise money last night to pay for hospital bills that are starting to pile up, I think give the ball to them to raffle off or something.
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I wasn't a staffer at the time I posted my response . .
No sure how that is funny, but the selection was a random draw. I hope the Storm staffer try's it out and get a feel for how good Radical really is.
Not funny as in Ha Ha funny. Funny in that a guy who gets his equipment at a reduced price from being a shop manager and/or free from being a staffer of a different company and can't use it anyway. Maybe "ironic" would be a better choice instead of funny.
Ah now I get it, It never dawned on me that a competitors staffer would post. But random selection is random selection.
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I wasn't a staffer at the time I posted my response . .
No sure how that is funny, but the selection was a random draw. I hope the Storm staffer try's it out and get a feel for how good Radical really is.
Not funny as in Ha Ha funny. Funny in that a guy who gets his equipment at a reduced price from being a shop manager and/or free from being a staffer of a different company and can't use it anyway. Maybe "ironic" would be a better choice instead of funny.
Ah now I get it, It never dawned on me that a competitors staffer would post. But random selection is random selection.
thanks Gizmo. Appreciate any help we can get. Great gesture on donating the ball for a great cause.
Thanks
Phil
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Winners of the Need your opinion thread are
Gizmo823 choice of a Guru or the Guru Mighty
S1nger1 Grease Monkey Whack
Congratulation's and thank you all for your input we are working on implementing your suggestions into a future ball the launch.
The majority of the responses asked for a ball that was smooth and controllable yet continued and was not jumpy or skid flippy. Worked ideally on medium conditions.
thanks again for all the support
Phil
Funny that the winner is a Pro Shop Manager and a Storm Staffer. LOL
+1
+10000000000000
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I'm about the unluckiest person on the planet, so to win something is actually pretty cool. Won't be selling it for profit, not that kind of guy, I'll find an interesting or fun contest to make it a prize in or something. And yeah I'm a Storm staffer, but I'm still objective, it would be ignorant to try and say Storm is the best and everything else is junk. Now I'm very happy with my Storm stuff, but it would be inaccurate if I didn't say that the Radical line and especially the two Gurus are extremely impressive. If I wasn't honest about what I thought 100% of the time, no one would have any reason to believe anything I say about my Storm equipment either, plus I'm still a pro shop operator, I have a responsibility to my customers to sell them what they need, not just what I want to sell. Thanks Phil and Radical, the ball won't be just turned around to make a quick buck, I'll "share the love" and someone will end up with a great new ball!
Actually have an idea, a buddy of mine has a step-sister that got some kind of bacterial infection a couple weeks ago and is now in a coma and unresponsive, they were trying to raise money last night to pay for hospital bills that are starting to pile up, I think give the ball to them to raffle off or something.
+10000000000 to you too and I hope you can help your buddy and his step-sister. Nice gesture of you.
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Thanks Newguy for doing this and kudos to Gizmo.