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Perception vs Reality - Hammer vs Radical
« on: August 17, 2018, 05:06:46 PM »
Interesting video:

Perception vs Reality - Hammer vs Radical:

https://youtu.be/QrRzwLHmDLM

 

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Re: Perception vs Reality - Hammer vs Radical
« Reply #1 on: August 17, 2018, 05:38:21 PM »
Now that's interesting. Might have to get some popcorn and a beer to watch this later at home

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Re: Perception vs Reality - Hammer vs Radical
« Reply #2 on: August 17, 2018, 07:38:34 PM »
The whole Katana series is STRONG:  And I thought the rip’d were strong....  :-\

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Re: Perception vs Reality - Hammer vs Radical
« Reply #3 on: August 17, 2018, 11:04:03 PM »
Doubt we see them throw a comparison with Utah though lol. I actually just watched this before hoping on here. Interesting video.
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Re: Perception vs Reality - Hammer vs Radical
« Reply #4 on: August 18, 2018, 07:57:45 AM »
Doubt we see them throw a comparison with Utah though lol. I actually just watched this before hoping on here. Interesting video.

They have in the past perception vs reality videos, although those were made with one ball from a few companies and not going up against a single brand. This is their first in a couple years and it sets an interesting precedence.

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Re: Perception vs Reality - Hammer vs Radical
« Reply #5 on: August 18, 2018, 08:27:22 AM »
so if I want equipment that are smoother I should not look at Radical? not sure how any video should persuade any one. it's like fishing lures.
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Re: Perception vs Reality - Hammer vs Radical
« Reply #6 on: August 18, 2018, 11:02:56 AM »
so if I want equipment that are smoother I should not look at Radical? not sure how any video should persuade any one. it's like fishing lures.

Haven't thrown the Katanas but sure like my Cyclops a lot more than my More Cash (trash) or my Fix even drilled weak (still needs a flood).  Cyclops is super versatile even if not a Mo crazy asym special.  Pretty sure Throwbot threw more consecutive strikes with the Cyclops than any of the Katanas (only Intel beat it AFAIK, Radical's symmetrics get overlooked imo).  But sexy sideways balls are where the margins are at (true of all the ball companies to be fair) thus the video.
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Re: Perception vs Reality - Hammer vs Radical
« Reply #7 on: August 20, 2018, 07:24:23 AM »
so if I want equipment that are smoother I should not look at Radical? not sure how any video should persuade any one. it's like fishing lures.

For the 99% case, the biggest hookers are rarely the best choices. Unless you have PBA Touring pro consistency in revs and ball speed, the more boards you cover the easier it is to get into trouble.
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Re: Perception vs Reality - Hammer vs Radical
« Reply #8 on: August 20, 2018, 04:41:18 PM »
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Re: Perception vs Reality - Hammer vs Radical
« Reply #9 on: August 20, 2018, 05:19:20 PM »
Simple math:  Hook + Backend = Sales
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Re: Perception vs Reality - Hammer vs Radical
« Reply #10 on: August 20, 2018, 08:12:18 PM »
Good stuff guys: Less is CLEARLY MORE- simple math.

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Re: Perception vs Reality - Hammer vs Radical
« Reply #11 on: August 23, 2018, 09:59:38 AM »
Doing reviews and working with digital tracking for almost 10 years, this is pretty easy to manipulate to make it look like whatever you want.

For example, did they move the arm at all from ball to ball?  If you know a ball reacts a certain way, wouldn't the bowler adjust to find the right angle?  I mean if the RipD hit like that from that line, why would you use that line??  Do you actually carry better with the Katana generating that angle or would the Black Widow Gold work better more consistently?  We don't throw one shot, we bowl several games with several bowlers.  Does the Katana reaction hold up or do you have to move more and change balls over the course of the night.

I'm not necessarily agreeing or disagreeing with the finding but like any experiment, someone designed the controls and it's clear their balls are set up to work so it's biased to their controls.

And I'm also not commenting on which ball is "better" in any case.  I just think people need to keep that in mind when looking at these.
I can tell you we tested both the Katana and Black Widow Gold.  They are very different shapes and both are really good balls.  I've had certain house conditions where I felt that extra angle the Katana generated was too much but when you move to adjust for better pocket angle, carry changes.  Gold blends better down lane.  So how does this test tell you anything about that?

Anyway, food for thought...
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Re: Perception vs Reality - Hammer vs Radical
« Reply #12 on: August 23, 2018, 10:06:28 AM »
I'm sorry, but from lots of years in the industry, if I ever needed a ball that created a ton of angle, I wasn't ever looking at Hopkinsville. It's been a while since I've thrown anything out of that factory (stopped about when the Track Freak line came out), but nothing I ever threw from them went nuts on the backend.

Now, when you think angle and skid flip, who do you think of?

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Re: Perception vs Reality - Hammer vs Radical
« Reply #13 on: August 23, 2018, 10:31:04 AM »
Now, when you think angle and skid flip, who do you think of?

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Re: Perception vs Reality - Hammer vs Radical
« Reply #14 on: August 23, 2018, 10:32:10 AM »
Now, when you think angle and skid flip, who do you think of?

Yeah, Hammer was an odd choice. They should have went up against Storm/RG. I have both those Rip'd balls (or did - sold one, selling the other) and the Rip'd Solid is definitely not meant to swing the lane. It's strong front to back. The hybrid is more angular, but still not to the degree of those Radical balls. I tested them both against the RG Halo and saw similar results to the Radical test.

Our current house shot is not allowing me to take advantage of more front to back ball motion, unfortunately. I've tried. It's probably not changing much from what I'm told. It may get better once fall leagues start and the oil can build up, but I'm not expecting significant change. I'm basically finding more need for angular equipment once again. So some more Storm/RG and Radical balls are going back in my bags.

Should have tested against balls like the Sure Lock, Halo, Hypercell Fused, or the Code line.